President goes after illegal fish harvesting

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Thank you Mr. President. EVERYONE knows whose doing the overfishing- AZNs

and conservative voters for that matter, need to learn what "sustainable" means. I'm not going to hold my breath.

US issuing new rules to curb illegal fishing, seafood fraud

The rules will require seafood importers to report information and maintain records about the harvest and chain of custody of fish, officials with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said.

The program will start by focusing on "priority species" that are especially vulnerable to illegal fishing, such as popular food fish like tuna, swordfish, Atlantic cod and grouper. The government hopes eventually to broaden the program out to include all fish species, NOAA officials said.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I stopped saltwater fishing about 10 years ago. It's absolutely heartbreaking how overfished we are. We need a worldwide 5 year moratorium on commercial fishing to give the stocks a chance to rebuild

 

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I stopped saltwater fishing about 10 years ago. It's absolutely heartbreaking how overfished we are. We need a worldwide 5 year moratorium on commercial fishing to give the stocks a chance to rebuild

I do a SE Alaska fishing trip every July. Great trip. Bring back at least 4 fish boxes every trip. I have salmon, king cod, yellow eye and halibut for the year.

 

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Blue Tuna are being overfished at 3x the rate n

I stopped saltwater fishing about 10 years ago. It's absolutely heartbreaking how overfished we are. We need a worldwide 5 year moratorium on commercial fishing to give the stocks a chance to rebuild

I do a SE Alaska fishing trip every July. Great trip. Bring back at least 4 fish boxes every trip. I have salmon, king cod, yellow eye and halibut for the year.

you also have a license and are bound by a limit?

 

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Blue Tuna are being overfished at 3x the rate n

I stopped saltwater fishing about 10 years ago. It's absolutely heartbreaking how overfished we are. We need a worldwide 5 year moratorium on commercial fishing to give the stocks a chance to rebuild

I do a SE Alaska fishing trip every July. Great trip. Bring back at least 4 fish boxes every trip. I have salmon, king cod, yellow eye and halibut for the year.

you also have a license and are bound by a limit?

Yep. True enough.

 

[Crick]

Their religion is socialism

Only if you believe liberalism=socialism. But it doesn't

which worships big government and social policy.

And like to use undefined weasel words like "big government" and support laws that would ban abortion, same sex marriage, gender reassignment, marijuana, a living minimum wage and a dozen other ways to control social change by legal restriction

It is based on atheism and deification of man.

Please explain how liberalism is "based on atheism". When the central teaching of the Christian god is "love thy neighbor as thyself", I could make a better argument that liberalism, whose central tenets are liberty, equality, care and compassion, is based on what you almost undoubtedly claim is your religion. By "deification of man" we can presume you simply mean "humanism" but want to make it sound more objectionable to the religious.

It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts.

Would you care to explain how you arrive at that conclusion or show us any well-regarded intellectual who expresses such ideas?

They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure.

Did you highlight to that make certain no one missed your ignorant bigotry?

Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality.

These are the opposite of standard liberal positions. Why do you tell such ridiculous lies?

The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity.

Liberals and socialists are not the same thing. Liberalism and some christians are in opposition because they have opposing views on social issues. Personally, I would say that people that don't like liberalism and claim to be christians are being dishonest - they are not following basic Christian teachings.

They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to reject it.

From your comments here I can only conclude that your dislike of liberalism is based on your belief that they're all atheists. You find your religion or what you believe to be elements of your religion under attack and are otherwise unable to defend it.

I haven't met a lot of religious engineers. Most of them are a little too smart for it.

 

[Shrimpbox]

I think the presidents effort is more to monitor imported fish. I applaud that effort. As far as fish species being overfished in us waters, that is a myth. And even mor so because scientists have little idea how to actually catch fish to see what is out there. We have so many snapper off the nor h Florida coast you can't get a hook on the bottom. Recreational fishing is barely monitored and they are the largest harvesters of premium species, grouper and snapper. Anyway, government control of all us fisheries is now so over the top that any commercial efforts have a hard row to hoe. People at the head of national marine fisheries really want to make commercial fisherman become extinct, under the guise of conservation. Anyway, the overfishing bit in us waters is pure poppycock.

NOAA: Overfished Stocks on the Rebound

 

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Their religion is socialism

Only if you believe liberalism=socialism. But it doesn't

which worships big government and social policy.

And like to use undefined weasel words like "big government" and support laws that would ban abortion, same sex marriage, gender reassignment, marijuana, a living minimum wage and a dozen other ways to control social change by legal restriction

It is based on atheism and deification of man.

Please explain how liberalism is "based on atheism". When the central teaching of the Christian god is "love thy neighbor as thyself", I could make a better argument that liberalism, whose central tenets are liberty, equality, care and compassion, is based on what you almost undoubtedly claim is your religion. By "deification of man" we can presume you simply mean "humanism" but want to make it sound more objectionable to the religious.

It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts.

Would you care to explain how you arrive at that conclusion or show us any well-regarded intellectual who expresses such ideas?

They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure.

Did you highlight to that make certain no one missed your ignorant bigotry?

Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality.

These are the opposite of standard liberal positions. Why do you tell such ridiculous lies?

The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity.

Liberals and socialists are not the same thing. Liberalism and some christians are in opposition because they have opposing views on social issues. Personally, I would say that people that don't like liberalism and claim to be christians are being dishonest - they are not following basic Christian teachings.

They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to reject it.

From your comments here I can only conclude that your dislike of liberalism is based on your belief that they're all atheists. You find your religion or what you believe to be elements of your religion under attack and are otherwise unable to defend it.

I haven't met a lot of religious engineers. Most of them are a little too smart for it.

Wrong thread for this discussion, crick. But here is a summary response.

The religious nature of socialism is used to inflame its adherent. Government and social causes are their vehicle of choice. The more fanatical the behavior the greater the likelihood that liberalism will lead to fanaticism, fanaticism will lead to socialism and socialism will lead to communism. This is nothing new. It has been observed and written about over 100 years. I'll be happy to provide the references when I get back from my trip. Although I suggest we move this discussion to the prope venue.

My dislike for socialism is well founded and a topic for a different thread. It has been my observation that engineers are not atheists as a rule.

 

[SSDD]

Only if you believe liberalism=socialism. But it doesn't

Modern liberalism used to be socialism lite...but it is becoming very difficult to distinguish between the two.

Please explain how liberalism is "based on atheism". When the central teaching of the Christian god is "love thy neighbor as thyself",

Actually, the central teaching is "have no other God before me"...but then that sort of statement is how atheism justifies itself...

I haven't met a lot of religious engineers. Most of them are a little too smart for it.

I understand that there won't be a single disbeliever in hell...

 

[Crick]

I think the presidents effort is more to monitor imported fish. I applaud that effort. As far as fish species being overfished in us waters, that is a myth. And even mor so because scientists have little idea how to actually catch fish to see what is out there. We have so many snapper off the nor h Florida coast you can't get a hook on the bottom. Recreational fishing is barely monitored and they are the largest harvesters of premium species, grouper and snapper. Anyway, government control of all us fisheries is now so over the top that any commercial efforts have a hard row to hoe. People at the head of national marine fisheries really want to make commercial fisherman become extinct, under the guise of conservation. Anyway, the overfishing bit in us waters is pure poppycock.

NOAA: Overfished Stocks on the Rebound

Poppycock it is not

A Tale of Two Fisheries: Fishing and Over-Fishing in American Waters | Origins: Current Events in Historical Perspective

And as oceans continue to warm and acidify, the conditions under which overfished populations will be forced to attempt recovery will become harsher and harsher. It is entirely possible that we could be facing an enormous extinction of marine species due to the rate at which the ocean is acidifying.

Current rates of ocean acidification have been compared with the greenhouse event at the Paleocene–Eocene boundary (about 55 million years ago) when surface ocean temperatures rose by 5–6 degrees Celsius. No catastrophe was seen in surface ecosystems, yet bottom-dwelling organisms in the deep ocean experienced a major extinction. The current acidification is on a path to reach levels higher than any seen in the last 65 million years,[44] and the rate of increase is about ten times the rate that preceded the Paleocene–Eocene mass extinction. The current and projected acidification has been described as an almost unprecedented geological event.[45]A National Research Council study released in April 2010 likewise concluded that "the level of acid in the oceans is increasing at an unprecedented rate."[46][47] A 2012 paper in the journal Science examined the geological record in an attempt to find a historical analog for current global conditions as well as those of the future. The researchers determined that the current rate of ocean acidification is faster than at any time in the past 300 million years.[48][49]

A review by climate scientists at the RealClimate blog, of a 2005 report by the Royal Society of the UK similarly highlighted the centrality of the rates of change in the present anthropogenic acidification process, writing:[50]

"The natural pH of the ocean is determined by a need to balance the deposition and burial of CaCO3 on the sea floor against the influx of Ca2+ and CO2−3 into the ocean from dissolving rocks on land, called weathering. These processes stabilize the pH of the ocean, by a mechanism called CaCO3 compensation...The point of bringing it up again is to note that if the CO2 concentration of the atmosphere changes more slowly than this, as it always has throughout the Vostok record, the pH of the ocean will be relatively unaffected because CaCO3 compensation can keep up. The [present] fossil fuel acidification is much faster than natural changes, and so the acid spike will be more intense than the earth has seen in at least 800,000 years."

Ocean acidification - Wikipedia

 

[Shrimpbox]

Ocean acidification has what to do with overfishing? I've been a commercial fisherman for 45 years, and your qualifications to speak on this subject are what?

 

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crick is right.

Its in the FIRST sentence of his sourced article