President Barack Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize

[Zoom-boing]

The NPP to Obama is the international community's rejection of the Bush years ~ rightfully so.

This is an interesting point. World rejected Bush's policies, which for your information Obama continued. The award may not go to someone who toppled a tyrant or ended a conflict, but rather to persons who showed a persistent effort in promoting a worthy cause. But what is Obama's worthy cause? What has Obama done that is so great and admirable, in nine months other than not being his Republican predecessor? Most of his policies are strikingly similar to those of Bush. He hasn't withdrawn from Iraq or Afghanistan, he did not closed Guantanamo, his efforts to stop nuclear proliferation and condemn dictatorships are a general part of US foreign policy, and have not sprung up the moment he took office. The most noteworthy change might be the pressure he put on Israelis to stop expanding their settlements and on that issue he was ignored anyway.

He received this award because of his undeserved popularity. Some are saying that he's well liked around the world. So is Brad Pitt, and Madonna.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Ame®icano again.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Bravo bravo bravo....

you popped a chub didnt ya Midcant...

 

[Harry Dresden]

You just know they got it right when all the conservatives on this board are frothing at the mouth..

"Peace? What the ****'s peace. Let's just nuke the bastards!

heh, heh, heh...

They're gonna have their work cut out for them if they think smears will be enough to bring Obama down. The guy isn't perfect but he is working hard. Something we haven't seen since Clinton.

with two vacations already?....on our dole.....

 

[DiveCon]

He hasn't attacked Pakistan? He hasn't ramped up the war in Afghanistan? He hasn't continued Bush's aggressive rhetoric towards Iran? Not to mention that we're still in Iraq.

I agree we should leave Afghanistan and Iraq. I'm simply telling you that Bush started two wars, Obama has not started any wars. Besides, Obama's aggressive rhetoric towards Iran?

You might want to talk to some of your breathen about that, they seem to think the complete opposite. Also, I haven't seen him do much about Afghanistan yet. We can't win in Afghanistan. Just like we can't win in Iraq. The faster we realize that, the faster we can leave.

that is ******* stupid and ignorant of the facts
Bush DIDN'T "start" 2 wars
that's a ******* LIE
the war in Iraq was already started and as for Afgahnistan, we were attacked FIRST
so stop with that bullshit already

 

[DiveCon]

too early.

next year would have been great, after the closing of guantanamo, removing the troops from iraq and winding down the afghanistan adventure.

yeah right.

It's also good this year for the reasons it was awarded to him:

The Nobel Peace Prize for 2009

The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.

Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama's initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.

The Nobel Peace Prize 2009 - Press Release

I love the way cons attempt to minimize the importance of the Nobel. If one of theirs ever won, I wonder what the chatter would become then..

If a conservative was in office for 10 days and won i would still say the award is worthless. Have you ever taken an issue straight on without deflecting or projecting ? seriously ......

no, that moron hasnt

 

[Coyote]

He hasn't attacked Pakistan? He hasn't ramped up the war in Afghanistan? He hasn't continued Bush's aggressive rhetoric towards Iran? Not to mention that we're still in Iraq.

I agree we should leave Afghanistan and Iraq. I'm simply telling you that Bush started two wars, Obama has not started any wars. Besides, Obama's aggressive rhetoric towards Iran?

You might want to talk to some of your breathen about that, they seem to think the complete opposite. Also, I haven't seen him do much about Afghanistan yet. We can't win in Afghanistan. Just like we can't win in Iraq. The faster we realize that, the faster we can leave.

that is ******* stupid and ignorant of the facts
Bush DIDN'T "start" 2 wars
that's a ******* LIE
the war in Iraq was already started and as for Afgahnistan, we were attacked FIRST
so stop with that bullshit already

Bullshit.

Bush started two wars.

One a war of neccessity: wiping out the Al Queda strongholds in Afghanistan.

The other a war of choice: Iraq. Iraq was not a threat to us.

Quit apologizing for his administration.

 

[Immanuel]

If everyone agrees he didn't deserve this, I wouldn't be surprised to see global opinion of him decline a few points as a result of it.

Despite the fact that I don't think he deserved the award, my opinion of him definitely did not go down over this (and no, that is not because it is at rock bottom which it is not) because I don't think he had a say in his selection. Maybe, just maybe, his PR team had a hand in getting him the nomination, but that is a far cry from getting him the award.

This was a poor choice by the committee. My opinion of the award has dropped, but not my opinion of the President.

Immie

Interesting point, with which I agree, but I was speaking of global opinion not yours, nor indeed the opinion of Americans.

Hey, my opinion is part of the global opinion but I understand what you were saying. I'm just pointing out that not all, and especially not all of those of us who did not vote for President Obama, blame him for his "bad luck" at having been nominated at least one year too early.

Immie

 

[elvis]

I agree we should leave Afghanistan and Iraq. I'm simply telling you that Bush started two wars, Obama has not started any wars. Besides, Obama's aggressive rhetoric towards Iran?

You might want to talk to some of your breathen about that, they seem to think the complete opposite. Also, I haven't seen him do much about Afghanistan yet. We can't win in Afghanistan. Just like we can't win in Iraq. The faster we realize that, the faster we can leave.

that is ******* stupid and ignorant of the facts
Bush DIDN'T "start" 2 wars
that's a ******* LIE
the war in Iraq was already started and as for Afgahnistan, we were attacked FIRST
so stop with that bullshit already

Bullshit.

Bush started two wars.

One a war of neccessity: wiping out the Al Queda strongholds in Afghanistan.

The other a war of choice: Iraq. Iraq was not a threat to us.

Quit apologizing for his administration.

are you going to include Obama's staff members which voted for the Iraq war in that statement?

 

[DiveCon]

All this whinning by the pussies on the right is wonderful.

It's going to be a great eight years.

what a ******* moron
this has NOTHING to do with left/right
this is the Nobel prize for PEACE
what had Obama done worthy of such an award prior to feb 1st 2009?
name ONE thing that he had done prior to that point in time that earned him a nomination?

 

[Modbert]

that is ******* stupid and ignorant of the facts
Bush DIDN'T "start" 2 wars
that's a ******* LIE
the war in Iraq was already started and as for Afgahnistan, we were attacked FIRST
so stop with that bullshit already

One was a war that was necessary as previously mentioned (Afghanistan).

However, the War in Iraq wasn't already started. Dubya willingly chose to attack Iraq.

 

[elvis]

that is ******* stupid and ignorant of the facts
Bush DIDN'T "start" 2 wars
that's a ******* LIE
the war in Iraq was already started and as for Afgahnistan, we were attacked FIRST
so stop with that bullshit already

One was a war that was necessary as previously mentioned (Afghanistan).

However, the War in Iraq wasn't already started. Dubya willingly chose to attack Iraq.

as did key members of Obama's current staff.

 

[Coyote]

that is ******* stupid and ignorant of the facts
Bush DIDN'T "start" 2 wars
that's a ******* LIE
the war in Iraq was already started and as for Afgahnistan, we were attacked FIRST
so stop with that bullshit already

Bullshit.

Bush started two wars.

One a war of neccessity: wiping out the Al Queda strongholds in Afghanistan.

The other a war of choice: Iraq. Iraq was not a threat to us.

Quit apologizing for his administration.

are you going to include Obama's staff members which voted for the Iraq war in that statement?

Yup.

And the Congressmen who did.

But most of all the ones who SOLD the war on false data.

 

[Modbert]

as did key members of Obama's current staff.

I'm not denying that as fact. Hillary and Biden did in fact vote for the war. However, Dive here is trying to deny that Bush attacked Iraq willingly. The war had not already started.

 

[elvis]

Bullshit.

Bush started two wars.

One a war of neccessity: wiping out the Al Queda strongholds in Afghanistan.

The other a war of choice: Iraq. Iraq was not a threat to us.

Quit apologizing for his administration.

are you going to include Obama's staff members which voted for the Iraq war in that statement?

Yup.

And the Congressmen who did.

But most of all the ones who SOLD the war on false data.

That would include Emanuel and Biden.

 

[elvis]

as did key members of Obama's current staff.

I'm not denying that as fact. Hillary and Biden did in fact vote for the war. However, Dive here is trying to deny that Bush attacked Iraq willingly. The war had not already started.

I don't know you could say it started in 1989 and never ceased. I am sure all the people who died from Clinton's air raids would consider that a war.

 

[DiveCon]

Elegant way of putting it. Thanks.

The award is even more meaningless than before. But this is not, nor could it be, blamed on Obama.

Can't blame the guy for accepting. Would be more stupid to refuse the award.

actually it would have looked better for this country and obama....

I disagree. It would have put egg on the face of the country to refuse.

i disagree
i think it would have put a shining light had he refused as not being deserving

 

[RadiomanATL]

that is ******* stupid and ignorant of the facts
Bush DIDN'T "start" 2 wars
that's a ******* LIE
the war in Iraq was already started and as for Afgahnistan, we were attacked FIRST
so stop with that bullshit already

One was a war that was necessary as previously mentioned (Afghanistan).

However, the War in Iraq wasn't already started. Dubya willingly chose to attack Iraq.

as did key members of Obama's current staff.

Great. They were wrong as well.

The whole Iraq debacle has been debated ad naseum over the past 6-1/2 years. Since I never debated on this board (and I don't really have an urge to get into it now), I will just say that I was against it then, now, and always will be. All the people who were in on the decision, no matter what party or position they held or currently hold, were absolutely wrong. And whats worse than that is that many of them knew it was wrong. But went along with it for political expediency and re-election concerns. At least Bush honestly believed (IMO) that he was doing something right (even though I was one of his most vocal critics on MB's concerning his push for war).

 

[JakeStarkey]

The international community has endorsed Obama's victory and the bad guys and gals' defeat. Good riddance to rubbish is the message here -- the neo-cons are never coming back to power. Get used to it. You are finis.

 

[Coyote]

are you going to include Obama's staff members which voted for the Iraq war in that statement?

Yup.

And the Congressmen who did.

But most of all the ones who SOLD the war on false data.

That would include Emanuel and Biden.

They weren't the salesmen.

Who do the intellegence agencies answer directly to? Who sees all the data?

 

[elvis]

The international community has endorsed Obama's victory and the bad guys and gals' defeat. Good riddance to rubbish is the message here -- the neo-cons are never coming back to power. Get used to it. You are finis.

oh really buttfuck? who makes up the international community that endorses the great one's victory?