Pregnant Women Lose Civil Rights

[Newby]

nobody is fooling anyone into killing their own babies by protecting them from government over reach.

private citizens have private relationships and make private choices with their sexual partners and physicians.

government overreach into every private conception is oppressive and immoral thus not a policy any civilized society has EVER tolerated..

Yeah, killing your child is just a 'private choice', no ramifications whatsoever. You can say that all you want, but any girl or woman with even the smallest conscience knows it is wrong and will suffer emotionally from having done it. It's taking a life, and there is no sugar coating that will change that fact.

 

[Valerie]

and they'll suffer emotionally for it for the rest of their lives because of what they've done.

i'm sure all the guilt projected from self righteous outsiders must be very beneficial to their mental health.




"Leading experts have concluded that, among women who have an unplanned pregnancy, the risk of mental health problems is no greater if they have a single first-trimester abortion than if they carry the pregnancy to term. [11]

...


EARLY MEDICATION ABORTION
• In September 2000, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved mifepristone to be marketed in the United States as an alternative to surgical abortion.

• In 2011, 59% of abortion providers, or 1,023 facilities, provided one or more early medication abortions. At least 17% of providers offer only early medication abortion services.[2]

• Medication abortion accounted for 23% of all nonhospital abortions and 36% of abortions before nine weeks’ gestation, in 2011.[2]

• Early medication abortions have increased from 6% of all abortions in 2001 to 23% in 2011, even while the overall number of abortions continued to decline. Data from the CDC show abortions shifting earlier within the first trimester, likely due, in part, to the availability of medication abortion services. [2]

 

[Valerie]

nobody is fooling anyone into killing their own babies by protecting them from government over reach.

private citizens have private relationships and make private choices with their sexual partners and physicians.

government overreach into every private conception is oppressive and immoral thus not a policy any civilized society has EVER tolerated..

Yeah, killing your child is just a 'private choice', no ramifications whatsoever. You can say that all you want, but any girl or woman with even the smallest conscience knows it is wrong and will suffer emotionally from having done it. It's taking a life, and there is no sugar coating that will change that fact.

all of your emotional appeals are beside the POLITICAL point of keeping the government over reach in check...

 

[Newby]

You can't answer the damn question, at least not with honesty. You know damn well it's being used for birth control 99% of the time.

You've never addressed my question. Have there been 53 million rapes, and mothers at risk in this country, that's why 53 million children had to be killed?

The bottom line is that it is morally wrong to kill anyone, let alone your own child. Our society will be looked upon as sick and deranged for having allowed such a horrific atrocity to happen, not only allowed but promoted by people such as yourself. I feel bad for the young girls who are fooled into believing that it's perfectly okay to kill your own baby whenever in their hearts they know it's not, and they'll suffer emotionally for it for the rest of their lives because of what they've done.

i'm sure all the guilt projected from self righteous outsiders must be very beneficial to their mental health.




"Leading experts have concluded that, among women who have an unplanned pregnancy, the risk of mental health problems is no greater if they have a single first-trimester abortion than if they carry the pregnancy to term. [11]

...


EARLY MEDICATION ABORTION
• In September 2000, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved mifepristone to be marketed in the United States as an alternative to surgical abortion.

• In 2011, 59% of abortion providers, or 1,023 facilities, provided one or more early medication abortions. At least 17% of providers offer only early medication abortion services.[2]

• Medication abortion accounted for 23% of all nonhospital abortions and 36% of abortions before nine weeks’ gestation, in 2011.[2]

• Early medication abortions have increased from 6% of all abortions in 2001 to 23% in 2011, even while the overall number of abortions continued to decline. Data from the CDC show abortions shifting earlier within the first trimester, likely due, in part, to the availability of medication abortion services. [2]

There doesn't have to be guilt projected from outsiders, the guilt is from within because killing your own child goes against everything a mother should stand for. And you would claim that those being against killing children are being 'self righteous'? Whatever makes you sleep better at night, but that's a ridiculous comment.

I assume you're against murder, I guess because you are that makes you 'self righteous'. Amusingly hypocritical.

 

[Valerie]

You know damn well it's being used for birth control 99% of the time.

WHO HAS ABORTIONS?

• Eighteen percent of U.S. women obtaining abortions are teenagers; those aged 15–17 obtain 6% of all abortions, 18–19-year-olds obtain 11%, and teens younger than 15 obtain 0.4%.[3]

• Women in their 20s account for more than half of all abortions: Women aged 20–24 obtain 33% of all abortions, and women aged 25–29 obtain 24%.[3]

• Non-Hispanic white women account for 36% of abortions, non-Hispanic black women for 30%, Hispanic women for 25% and women of other races for 9%.[3]

• Thirty-seven percent of women obtaining abortions identify as Protestant and 28% identify as Catholic.[3]

• Women who have never married and are not cohabiting account for 45% of all abortions. [3]

• About 61% of abortions are obtained by women who have one or more children. [3]

• Forty-two percent of women obtaining abortions have incomes below 100% of the federal poverty level ($10,830 for a single woman with no children).[3]

• Twenty-seven percent of women obtaining abortions have incomes between 100–199% of the federal poverty level. * [3]

• The reasons women give for having an abortion underscore their understanding of the responsibilities of parenthood and family life. Three-fourths of women cite concern for or responsibility to other individuals; three-fourths say they cannot afford a child; three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents; and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner.[6]

• Fifty-one percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method in the month they got pregnant, most commonly condoms (27%) or a hormonal method (17%).[7]


Induced Abortion in the United States

 

[Newby]

nobody is fooling anyone into killing their own babies by protecting them from government over reach.

private citizens have private relationships and make private choices with their sexual partners and physicians.

government overreach into every private conception is oppressive and immoral thus not a policy any civilized society has EVER tolerated..

Yeah, killing your child is just a 'private choice', no ramifications whatsoever. You can say that all you want, but any girl or woman with even the smallest conscience knows it is wrong and will suffer emotionally from having done it. It's taking a life, and there is no sugar coating that will change that fact.

all of your emotional appeals are beside the POLITICAL point of keeping the government over reach in check...

The government says that murder is against the law, so perhaps you should get that changed as well? Why should they interfere if you want to take a life, it's your business.

You're just sanctioning one kind of murder as legal and another as illegal when both are identical in immorality. Human life is human life.

 

[Newby]

You know damn well it's being used for birth control 99% of the time.

WHO HAS ABORTIONS?

• Eighteen percent of U.S. women obtaining abortions are teenagers; those aged 15–17 obtain 6% of all abortions, 18–19-year-olds obtain 11%, and teens younger than 15 obtain 0.4%.[3]

• Women in their 20s account for more than half of all abortions: Women aged 20–24 obtain 33% of all abortions, and women aged 25–29 obtain 24%.[3]

• Non-Hispanic white women account for 36% of abortions, non-Hispanic black women for 30%, Hispanic women for 25% and women of other races for 9%.[3]

• Thirty-seven percent of women obtaining abortions identify as Protestant and 28% identify as Catholic.[3]

• Women who have never married and are not cohabiting account for 45% of all abortions. [3]

• About 61% of abortions are obtained by women who have one or more children. [3]

• Forty-two percent of women obtaining abortions have incomes below 100% of the federal poverty level ($10,830 for a single woman with no children).[3]

• Twenty-seven percent of women obtaining abortions have incomes between 100–199% of the federal poverty level. * [3]

• The reasons women give for having an abortion underscore their understanding of the responsibilities of parenthood and family life. Three-fourths of women cite concern for or responsibility to other individuals; three-fourths say they cannot afford a child; three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents; and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner.[6]

• Fifty-one percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method in the month they got pregnant, most commonly condoms (27%) or a hormonal method (17%).[7]


Induced Abortion in the United States

I didn't ask who had them, I asked why they had them. It's used as birth control.

 

[Valerie]

The government says that murder is against the law, so perhaps you should get that changed as well?

Why should they interfere if you want to take a life, it's your business.

You're just sanctioning one kind of murder as legal and another as illegal when both are identical in immorality. Human life is human life.

surely you can see the difference in the unique circumstance of private human reproduction vs harming individual outsiders.

 

[Valerie]

You know damn well it's being used for birth control 99% of the time.

WHO HAS ABORTIONS?

• Eighteen percent of U.S. women obtaining abortions are teenagers; those aged 15–17 obtain 6% of all abortions, 18–19-year-olds obtain 11%, and teens younger than 15 obtain 0.4%.[3]

• Women in their 20s account for more than half of all abortions: Women aged 20–24 obtain 33% of all abortions, and women aged 25–29 obtain 24%.[3]

• Non-Hispanic white women account for 36% of abortions, non-Hispanic black women for 30%, Hispanic women for 25% and women of other races for 9%.[3]

• Thirty-seven percent of women obtaining abortions identify as Protestant and 28% identify as Catholic.[3]

• Women who have never married and are not cohabiting account for 45% of all abortions. [3]

• About 61% of abortions are obtained by women who have one or more children. [3]

• Forty-two percent of women obtaining abortions have incomes below 100% of the federal poverty level ($10,830 for a single woman with no children).[3]

• Twenty-seven percent of women obtaining abortions have incomes between 100–199% of the federal poverty level. * [3]

• The reasons women give for having an abortion underscore their understanding of the responsibilities of parenthood and family life. Three-fourths of women cite concern for or responsibility to other individuals; three-fourths say they cannot afford a child; three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents; and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner.[6]

• Fifty-one percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method in the month they got pregnant, most commonly condoms (27%) or a hormonal method (17%).[7]


Induced Abortion in the United States

I didn't ask who had them, I asked why they had them. It's used as birth control.

your 99% implication of flippant 'birth control' for convenience by morally depraved feminazi sluts is a propaganda myth.


Fifty-one percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method in the month they got pregnant, most commonly condoms (27%) or a hormonal method (17%).[7]

 

[Valerie]

You can't answer the damn question, at least not with honesty. You know damn well it's being used for birth control 99% of the time.

You've never addressed my question. Have there been 53 million rapes, and mothers at risk in this country, that's why 53 million children had to be killed?

The bottom line is that it is morally wrong to kill anyone, let alone your own child. Our society will be looked upon as sick and deranged for having allowed such a horrific atrocity to happen, not only allowed but promoted by people such as yourself. I feel bad for the young girls who are fooled into believing that it's perfectly okay to kill your own baby whenever in their hearts they know it's not, and they'll suffer emotionally for it for the rest of their lives because of what they've done.

i'm sure all the guilt projected from self righteous outsiders must be very beneficial to their mental health.




"Leading experts have concluded that, among women who have an unplanned pregnancy, the risk of mental health problems is no greater if they have a single first-trimester abortion than if they carry the pregnancy to term. [11]

...


EARLY MEDICATION ABORTION
• In September 2000, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved mifepristone to be marketed in the United States as an alternative to surgical abortion.

• In 2011, 59% of abortion providers, or 1,023 facilities, provided one or more early medication abortions. At least 17% of providers offer only early medication abortion services.[2]

• Medication abortion accounted for 23% of all nonhospital abortions and 36% of abortions before nine weeks’ gestation, in 2011.[2]

• Early medication abortions have increased from 6% of all abortions in 2001 to 23% in 2011, even while the overall number of abortions continued to decline. Data from the CDC show abortions shifting earlier within the first trimester, likely due, in part, to the availability of medication abortion services. [2]

There doesn't have to be guilt projected from outsiders, the guilt is from within because killing your own child goes against everything a mother should stand for. And you would claim that those being against killing children are being 'self righteous'? Whatever makes you sleep better at night, but that's a ridiculous comment.

I assume you're against murder, I guess because you are that makes you 'self righteous'. Amusingly hypocritical.

advocating for government over reach helps you sleep better at night?


whatever feelings women may have and be able to reconcile with themselves and their conscience, is their own private business.

you can privately counsel and care for the women in your life but you should mind your own business when it comes to others.

your misguided opinion against pro-choice advocacy is filled with self righteous emotional appeals...

 

[Newby]

The government says that murder is against the law, so perhaps you should get that changed as well?

Why should they interfere if you want to take a life, it's your business.

You're just sanctioning one kind of murder as legal and another as illegal when both are identical in immorality. Human life is human life.

surely you can see the difference in the unique circumstance of private human reproduction vs harming individual outsiders.

Clearly you can't see that taking human life is taking human life.

And what's so 'unique' about 53 million abortions?

Why are women able to make intelligent choices regarding their reproductive choices when it comes to having an abortion, but they were apparently incapable of doing that very same thing when having unprotected sex?

 

[Newby]

You know damn well it's being used for birth control 99% of the time.

WHO HAS ABORTIONS?

• Eighteen percent of U.S. women obtaining abortions are teenagers; those aged 15–17 obtain 6% of all abortions, 18–19-year-olds obtain 11%, and teens younger than 15 obtain 0.4%.[3]

• Women in their 20s account for more than half of all abortions: Women aged 20–24 obtain 33% of all abortions, and women aged 25–29 obtain 24%.[3]

• Non-Hispanic white women account for 36% of abortions, non-Hispanic black women for 30%, Hispanic women for 25% and women of other races for 9%.[3]

• Thirty-seven percent of women obtaining abortions identify as Protestant and 28% identify as Catholic.[3]

• Women who have never married and are not cohabiting account for 45% of all abortions. [3]

• About 61% of abortions are obtained by women who have one or more children. [3]

• Forty-two percent of women obtaining abortions have incomes below 100% of the federal poverty level ($10,830 for a single woman with no children).[3]

• Twenty-seven percent of women obtaining abortions have incomes between 100–199% of the federal poverty level. * [3]

• The reasons women give for having an abortion underscore their understanding of the responsibilities of parenthood and family life. Three-fourths of women cite concern for or responsibility to other individuals; three-fourths say they cannot afford a child; three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents; and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner.[6]

• Fifty-one percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method in the month they got pregnant, most commonly condoms (27%) or a hormonal method (17%).[7]


Induced Abortion in the United States

I didn't ask who had them, I asked why they had them. It's used as birth control.

your 99% implication of flippant 'birth control' for convenience by morally depraved feminazi sluts is a propaganda myth.


Fifty-one percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method in the month they got pregnant, most commonly condoms (27%) or a hormonal method (17%).[7]

Then apparently they didn't choose very wisely whenever they chose a method of pre conception birth control since most methods claim to be just short of 100% reliable, but of course they'll be able to choose wisely when it comes to post conception birth control, i.e. abortion. Personally, I don't buy the number, I think a lot of women will say they were being responsible when in fact they weren't.

 

[Newby]

You can't answer the damn question, at least not with honesty. You know damn well it's being used for birth control 99% of the time.

You've never addressed my question. Have there been 53 million rapes, and mothers at risk in this country, that's why 53 million children had to be killed?

The bottom line is that it is morally wrong to kill anyone, let alone your own child. Our society will be looked upon as sick and deranged for having allowed such a horrific atrocity to happen, not only allowed but promoted by people such as yourself. I feel bad for the young girls who are fooled into believing that it's perfectly okay to kill your own baby whenever in their hearts they know it's not, and they'll suffer emotionally for it for the rest of their lives because of what they've done.

i'm sure all the guilt projected from self righteous outsiders must be very beneficial to their mental health.




"Leading experts have concluded that, among women who have an unplanned pregnancy, the risk of mental health problems is no greater if they have a single first-trimester abortion than if they carry the pregnancy to term. [11]

...


EARLY MEDICATION ABORTION
• In September 2000, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved mifepristone to be marketed in the United States as an alternative to surgical abortion.

• In 2011, 59% of abortion providers, or 1,023 facilities, provided one or more early medication abortions. At least 17% of providers offer only early medication abortion services.[2]

• Medication abortion accounted for 23% of all nonhospital abortions and 36% of abortions before nine weeks’ gestation, in 2011.[2]

• Early medication abortions have increased from 6% of all abortions in 2001 to 23% in 2011, even while the overall number of abortions continued to decline. Data from the CDC show abortions shifting earlier within the first trimester, likely due, in part, to the availability of medication abortion services. [2]

There doesn't have to be guilt projected from outsiders, the guilt is from within because killing your own child goes against everything a mother should stand for. And you would claim that those being against killing children are being 'self righteous'? Whatever makes you sleep better at night, but that's a ridiculous comment.

I assume you're against murder, I guess because you are that makes you 'self righteous'. Amusingly hypocritical.

advocating for government over reach helps you sleep better at night?


whatever feelings women may have and be able to reconcile with themselves and their conscience, is their own private business.

you can privately counsel and care for the women in your life but you should mind your own business when it comes to others.

your misguided opinion against pro-choice advocacy is filled with self righteous emotional appeals...

Whenever you fight against government over reach for everything except this one issue, then your opinion might matter to me. Do you think 'we the people' should be paying for every woman's birth control, including abortions, while not seeing that as 'over reach' by the government?

 

[Valerie]

this important issue does not rest on me expressing my opinions to your satisfaction...

you can find my opinion on other issues in response to other OPs.

i posted a lot of facts in this thread while sharing my opinion on this issue...

my opinions are consistent but feel free to generalize and obfuscate to suit your intended dismissal purpose!

and still this issue will never rest on misguided personal perceptions... ever.





"then your opinion might matter to me."

Parents Against Personhood -

 

[Newby]

this important issue does not rest on me expressing my opinions to your satisfaction...

you can find my opinion on other issues in response to other OPs.

i posted a lot of facts in this thread while sharing my opinion on this issue...

my opinions are consistent but feel free to generalize and obfuscate to suit your intended dismissal purpose!

and still this issue will never rest on misguided personal perceptions... ever.





"then your opinion might matter to me."

Parents Against Personhood -

I have seen your stances on other threads and issues throughout the years I've posted here, so I already know, hence my comment.

Do you advocate to have the law removed where someone can be tried for a double murder when a woman is killed that is pregnant since it wasn't a person with any rights? Or do you fall in with the crowd that advocates that the mother decides whether or not her baby is a 'person' with rights?

 

[Valerie]

you already know what?? link...........?


if a pregnant woman is murdered the law rightfully sees that differently.

makes perfect sense if you understand the law...

 

[Valerie]

In a 7-2 decision written by Justice Harry Blackmun (who was chosen because of his prior experience as counsel to the Mayo Clinic), the Court ruled that the Texas statute violated Jane Roe's constitutional right to privacy. The Court argued that the Constitution's First, Fourth, Ninth, and Fourteenth Amendments protect an individual's "zone of privacy" against state laws and cited past cases ruling that marriage, contraception, and child rearing are activities covered in this "zone of privacy." The Court then argued that the "zone of privacy" was "broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy." This decision involved myriad physical, psychological, and economic stresses a pregnant woman must face.

Because abortions lie within a pregnant woman's "zone of privacy," the abortion decision "and its effectuation" are fundamental rights that are protected by the Constitution from regulation by the states...

...


The Court reviewed the history of abortion laws, from ancient Greece to contemporary America, and therein found three justifications for banning abortions: "a Victorian social concern to discourage illicit sexual conduct"; protecting the health of women; and protecting prenatal life. The Court rejected the first two justifications as irrelevant given modern gender roles and medical technology. As for the third justification, the Court argued that prenatal life was not within the definition of "persons" as used and protected in the U.S. Constitution and that America's criminal and civil laws only sometimes regard fetuses as persons deserving protection.


The Supreme Court . Expanding Civil Rights . Landmark Cases . Roe v. Wade 1973 PBS

 

[Newby]

you already know what?? link...........?


if a pregnant woman is murdered the law rightfully sees that differently.

makes perfect sense if you understand the law...

That's completely hypocritical, but not surprising that you would see it that way.

Why should the law see it differently? Why does that person have 'rights' and is considered human life when killed by someone other than the mother? Why is it murder of a 'person' when killed by someone other than the mother?

 

[Plasmaball]

I hold that killing a baby is not a basic human right.

thank God, what men like you HOLD doesn't mean much, ernie...

So you actually think "god" want's his children dead? wow

irrelevant

 

[Plasmaball]

Did Christine Taylor Take Abortion into Her Own Hands - CBS News

It's just as I thought, she was suspected of trying to hurt herself because she was trying to rid herself of the baby by throwing herself down the stairs.

Thankfully you dont have a thought inside your head, because thats not what happened.
She was venting to the nurse about her life and the nurse and doctor decided on their own that she tossed herself down the stairs.

If you are going to lie, do a better job at it.