Praying at the temple mount

[Phoenall]

Who says, as the UN has stated that the whole of Jerusalem is international land and is outside of any nations remit.

Then it is also illegal for any arab muslims to be there and for any of their ministers to be there either

It's an occupied territory.

Jews can live there and Arabs can live there; Israeli settlers and any member of the Israeli government cannot.

WRONG it is a corpus seperatum that the muslims illegally annexed in 1949 and Israel set free in 1967. So it is the arab muslims that should not be in Jerusalem as they are the occupiers and illegal immigrants.

 

[Sunni Man]

Quran 17:1 Glory to (Allah) Who did take His Servant for a Journey by night
from the Sacred Mosque to the Farthest Mosque,
whose precincts We did bless,
- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs:
for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things)


Prophet Muhammed prayed at the place known as the Farthest Mosque during his Night Journey.

That a building was later erected on the site is irrelevant.

It is one of the 3 major holy places in Islam and that fact isn't up for debate by muslims. ........

 

[Billo_Really]

WHICH ARE ? Lets see if you can get this right using links to valid sources.

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.

Article 49
The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.​

Back to you...

 

[Phoenall]

To reiterate...
You did not address a fact; nothing new for you.
Your history is Ideological, not factual.
You are dismissible.

Did you address this?





Then shut your fuckin' mouth, hypocrite!

I did with the facts and truth, did you like seeing your post ripped to shreds when Al Jazeera posted that he was trained in first aid and died of a heart attack due to an ongoing existing medical problem caused by his excessive smoking

 

[Phoenall]

Can you introduce us?

No, he's dead. The people you said would "never happen" killed him. He was college educated; a doctor; family man; peace activist; and your piece of slime knife wielders, bombed his home, terrorized his neighbors, broke into his house (twice) and beat him and his wife up to the point where she had a miscarriage, then the IDF murdered him with a can of tear gas.

You said this would "never happen".

This happens all the time and you don't say shit about it.

Shall I show you a picture of a Jewish couple and type the f* word?

Does she look like Gal Gadot?

Probably not.

No shit!

LIAR as he died of a heart attack as a result of self inflicted medical problems. He was a first aider and was not college educated at all. And this was printed in a copy of Al Jazeera for all the world to see.

So it did not happen as you say and this proves that you only look at NAZI sites that support your Jew hatred

 

[Phoenall]

Slyhunter, et al,

I often wondered that myself.

Why is it such a big deal that Jews not pray at the Temple Mount. Why the hell shouldn't they. They should feel free to pray any damn where they feel like it. It's not like they close down a street and get in the way of business while praying to Mecca like the Islamics do.

It's bullshit they made such a deal.

(COMMENT)

I never really understood people who have these deep and radical emotions about these religious firewalls.

Most Respectfully,
R

I think everyone, to whom it is holy, should be allowed to pray as long as they behave.

And how far back in time will you go until it was declared holy

 

[Billo_Really]

WRONG it is a corpus seperatum that the muslims illegally annexed in 1949 and Israel set free in 1967. So it is the arab muslims that should not be in Jerusalem as they are the occupiers and illegal immigrants.

In the Occupied Palestinian Territory– that is, the West Bank, East
Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip– the applicable legal framework is the law of
belligerent occupation. This consists of the rules enshrined in the 1907 Hague
Regulations, the Fourth Geneva Convention, and customary IHL.

 

[Billo_Really]

I did with the facts and truth, did you like seeing your post ripped to shreds when Al Jazeera posted that he was trained in first aid and died of a heart attack due to an ongoing existing medical problem caused by his excessive smoking

Who shot the can of tear gas at him, troll?

 

[Phoenall]

Quran 17:1 Glory to (Allah) Who did take His Servant for a Journey by night
from the Sacred Mosque to the Farthest Mosque,
whose precincts We did bless,
- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs:
for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things)


Prophet Muhammed prayed at the place known as the Farthest Mosque during his Night Journey.

That a building was later erected on the site is irrelevant.

It is one of the 3 major holy places in Islam and that fact isn't up for debate by muslims. ........

And yet the farthest mosque of the time was on the road between Mecca and Medina. So he could have walked it in one night from the sacred mosque.

The history of the al aqsa mosque is well known and was written down by muslim scholars as follows


The earliest mosque that was certainly built here was constructed by the Umayyads around 710 AD, only a few decades after the Dome of the Rock. Under Abbasid rule, it reached its greatest extent by the end of the 8th century with 15 aisles.

Unfortunately nothing of the ancient mosque survives today: it was destroyed by earthquakes twice in its first 60 years of existence and has been rebuilt at least five times. The last major rebuild was in 1035 by Caliph az-Zahir.




Al-Aqsa Mosque - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The mosque was originally a small prayer house built by the Rashidun caliph Umar, but was rebuilt and expanded by the Umayyad caliph Abd al-Malik and finished by his son al-Walid in 705 CE. After an earthquake in 746, the mosque was completely destroyed and rebuilt by the Abbasid caliph al-Mansur in 754, and again rebuilt by his successor al-Mahdi in 780. Another earthquake destroyed most of al-Aqsa in 1033, but two years later the Fatimid caliph Ali az-Zahir built another mosque which has stood to the present day.



And even the muslims say that the al aqsa mosque was not holy in islam


Religious significance in Islam[edit]
In Islam, the term "al-Aqsa Mosque" refers to the entire Noble Sanctuary. The mosque is believed to be the second house of prayer constructed after the Masjid al-Haram in Mecca. Post-Rashidun-era Islamic scholars traditionally identified the mosque as the site referred to in the sura (Quranic chapter) al-Isra ("the Night Journey"). This specific verse in the Quran cemented the significant religious importance of al-Aqsa in Islam.[60] The specific passage reads "Praise be to Him who made His servant journey in the night from the sacred sanctuary to the remotest sanctuary." Muslims traditionally identify the "sacred sanctuary" as the Masjid al-Haram and the "remotest sanctuary" as the al-Aqsa Mosque, even though initially, Rashidun and Umayyad-era scholars were in disagreement about the location of the "remotest sanctuary" with some[who?] arguing it was actually located near Mecca.[citation needed] Eventually scholarly consensus determined that its location was indeed in Jerusalem.[61][clarification needed]

 

[Phoenall]

WHICH ARE ? Lets see if you can get this right using links to valid sources.

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.

Article 49
The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.​

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Correct, but it does not say they cant make the journey themselves to recover stolen land and property does it .


Now how about the rest of the laws as you dad say LAWS not one section of one article ?

 

[Billo_Really]

Correct, but it does not say they cant make the journey themselves to recover stolen land and property does it .

No it doesn't. They just can't do it with the help of the Israeli government.

Now how about the rest of the laws as you dad say LAWS not one section of one article ?

My father is dead.

 

[Kondor3]

...You illegally migrate into the area; drive out half the residents using Jewish terrorism; declare yourself a Jewish State; then only allow the land to be farmed with Jewish labor; stick your white-trash settlers into an area you don't even own; then want THEM to share THEIR mosque with you! Listen you selfish pieces of shit, you need to BACK THE **** OFF!

Ahhhhhh... the teenage angst is strong in this one...

The Temple Mount was sacred ground for the Jews long before the Muslims invaded and stole it...

The Jews are merely in the process of setting right, an old wrong done against them...

And - with respect to reciprocity - how's that synagogue in Mecca comin' along?

 

[Phoenall]

WRONG it is a corpus seperatum that the muslims illegally annexed in 1949 and Israel set free in 1967. So it is the arab muslims that should not be in Jerusalem as they are the occupiers and illegal immigrants.

In the Occupied Palestinian Territory– that is, the West Bank, East
Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip– the applicable legal framework is the law of
belligerent occupation. This consists of the rules enshrined in the 1907 Hague
Regulations, the Fourth Geneva Convention, and customary IHL.

And you have failed to show that Israel is in breach of these laws even once. Want to try again


But first read your link again and explain these sections

The ICRC certainly recognises the Israeli government’s need to ensure the security of its own population and territory. This is an inalienable right of any state, though with the understanding that any measures to ensure national security must remain in accordance with the rules and procedures prescribed by international law. There may be no exceptions to compliance with the rules of humanitarian law, given its unique and universal humanitarian character.

 

[Phoenall]

I did with the facts and truth, did you like seeing your post ripped to shreds when Al Jazeera posted that he was trained in first aid and died of a heart attack due to an ongoing existing medical problem caused by his excessive smoking

Who shot the can of tear gas at him, troll?

Read the report as it was not fired at him but at rioters and he was passing by, so how did he die again according to the Palestinian coroner. BY A HEART ATTACK THAT WAS A PRE EXISTING CONDITION. Tear gas can not kill unless used in a confined space that is low on oxygen to begin with.

 

[Phoenall]

Correct, but it does not say they cant make the journey themselves to recover stolen land and property does it .

No it doesn't. They just can't do it with the help of the Israeli government.

Now how about the rest of the laws as you dad say LAWS not one section of one article ?

My father is dead.

Different thing to shipping in civilians illegally isn't it assisting Jews to reclaim their property


Typo try reading it as DID

 

[Kondor3]

Why is it such a big deal that Jews not pray at the Temple Mount. Why the hell shouldn't they. They should feel free to pray any damn where they feel like it. It's not like they close down a street and get in the way of business while praying to Mecca like the Islamics do.

It's bullshit they made such a deal.

Muslims destroy the relics and historical treasures of other peoples' cultures all the time...

Perhaps it's time they get a dose of their own medicine...

Perhaps the Jews should dismantle all Islamic worship-places on the Temple Mount...

Taking them apart, stone by stone, cataloging each stone, storing them, preparing re-assembly instructions, then ship the whole mess to Saudi Arabia...

Where the Muslims can re-assemble those structures on their own turf...

After all, nobody lifts a finger when Muslims blow-up millennia-old Buddhist or Palmyran historical treasures...

And, of course, by dismantling and preserving the materials for re-assembly and shipping them, the Jews (1) accomplish the same thing as the Muslims do, while (2) giving the Muslims an opportunity to resurrect their own historical treasures in a safer setting more conducive to their own worship-practices and audience...

Treating the Muslims better than they treat others.

While simultaneously taking out the trash.

Win-Win.

A Two-Fer.

 

[Phoenall]

We all know your sources of misinformation.

And you're a fraud! Just like the Temples you Mount.

The things you won't say, speak much louder than the things you do.

As for casualties of war, that happens all around the globe.

We're not talking about what "happens" around the globe, we're talking about something you said, "never happens", that happened.

Just like your comments about the mosque.

Like your links from sites that promote Jew hatred do you mean ?

But it didn't happen that way did it, he died of a heart attack. Just as I will die in the future of a heart attack that will have nothing to do with the Palestinian attacks on Israel

 

[Phoenall]

Slyhunter, et al,

I often wondered that myself.

Why is it such a big deal that Jews not pray at the Temple Mount. Why the hell shouldn't they. They should feel free to pray any damn where they feel like it. It's not like they close down a street and get in the way of business while praying to Mecca like the Islamics do.

It's bullshit they made such a deal.

(COMMENT)

I never really understood people who have these deep and radical emotions about these religious firewalls.

Most Respectfully,
R

I think everyone, to whom it is holy, should be allowed to pray as long as they behave.

Due to its extreme sanctity, many Jews will not walk on the Mount itself, to avoid unintentionally entering the area where the Holy of Holies stood, since according to Rabbinical law, some aspect of the divine presence is still present at the site.[7] It was from the Holy of Holies that the High Priest communicated directly with God.
Temple Mount - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thus proving that the person who said the Jews are storming the al aqsa mosque all the time are LIARS

 

[Phoenall]

WHICH ARE ? Lets see if you can get this right using links to valid sources.

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.

Article 49
The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.​

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IN FULL


ARTICLE 49 [ Link ]

Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive.
Nevertheless, the Occupying Power may undertake total or partial evacuation of a given area if the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand. Such evacuations may not involve the displacement of protected persons outside the bounds of the occupied territory except when for material reasons it is impossible to avoid such displacement. Persons thus evacuated shall be transferred back to their homes as soon as hostilities in the area in question have ceased.
The Occupying Power undertaking such transfers or evacuations shall ensure, to the greatest practicable extent, that proper accommodation is provided to receive the protected persons, that the removals are effected in satisfactory conditions of hygiene, health, safety and nutrition, and that members of the same family are not separated.
The Protecting Power shall be informed of any transfers and evacuations as soon as they have taken place.
The Occupying Power shall not detain protected persons in an area particularly exposed to the dangers of war unless the security of the population or imperative military reasons so demand.
The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.

 

[Coyote]

Another interesting article: An Island of Sanity

I had no idea about Haifa, very interesting to read that is one region in Israel where co-existance is working (and why there, but not so much elsewhere). It goes to show violence and intolerance aren't the inevitable result of Arabs and Jews living together since they have done so in Haifa for centuries and continue.

Religion causes more problems than it solves it seems.

HAIFA, Israel – The serenity of this port city on Israel's northern coast stands in stark contrast to the spate of violence that has gripped other areas of the country in recent days. Referred to as an "island of sanity" in a country where flare-ups frequently kill the innocent, Haifa is a haven for residents of chronically volatile Israel.

"Haifa has become a symbol of coexistence," said Hani Elfar, former director of Beit Hagefen Arab Jewish Cultural Center. "Jews and Arabs lived together [here] before the establishment of the state of Israel."

Peaceful coexistence has been fleeting in other areas of the country recently as violence has spread. On Friday, four Palestinians were killed near the Gaza border and two Israelis were wounded in stabbings in Jerusalem and Hebron. Violent attacks have spread from the traditional hotbed of Israeli-Palestinian clashes in Jerusalem and the West Bank to Tel Aviv, with four people stabbed near a military headquarters Thursday.

The increasing intensity of the attacks follows the deaths of four other Israelis and three Palestinians in the last week as tit-for-tat lone wolf attacks threaten to turn into a sustained campaign.

Elfar explained that part of the reason Haifa has been able to function so successfully with its multicultural inhabitants is because Jews and Arabs weren't suddenly forced together into the same place when Israel became a country in 1948. They had already established a status quo where "historically, Jews and Arabs lived together side by side." Haifa is the third largest city in Israel, with a population of nearly 300,000...

...Haifa is home to the Baha'i Gardens on Mount Carmel, second holiest site for the faith. But in a country dotted with places holy to Jews or Muslims (and sometimes both), Haifa has none. Such sacred places elsewhere in Israel are frequently home to repeated violence, but the absence of such sites in Haifa is part of the reason people are able to live in harmony with one another.

"Jesus was not here in Haifa. Moses was not here in Haifa. Mohammed was not here in Haifa," Ben Zeev said. "The place is relaxed."

And on Jeruselum:

"Jerusalem is not a holy city. How people act there, all of them – Jews, Muslims, Christians – they destroy the holiness," said Moad Ode, an Israeli Muslim who lives in Haifa. "But if you come to this place you see the holiness in people's eye and how they behave and live their life."

Ode said that when so many people place such importance in "a stone" – like the Temple Mount – they can destroy the holiness of a place. "People make a place holy and not a stone," he said.

Ben Zeev said he believes that much of the tension in Jerusalem stems from people who read their holy book – be it the Torah, Bible or Koran – and mistakenly interpret the text as instruction from God to destroy those who don't share the same beliefs.

"Jerusalem is the biggest unsolved riddle in the world," Ben Zeev said. "It's never going to be solved because always there are going to be the people who interpret the scriptures wrongly."

Ode agreed with this assessment that people take the words from their holy texts too literally. He said that the different ways of understanding God's words creates divisions among people, and leads Muslims, Jews and Christians to believe that God sent prophets and holy books to separate people and cause them to kill one another.

"Something is wrong here," Ode said. "[Is it] something wrong with God? Or something wrong with the way people understand God's word?"