Poll: Two-Thirds of Palestinians Want Abbas to Resign

[flacaltenn]

Poll results have been consistent over six months and were affirmed Monday: two-thirds of Palestinians would like President Mahmoud Abbas to resign after a string of policy failures. Yet the Palestinian leader does not appear to be under palpable domestic or international pressure to step down.

Poll: Two-Thirds of Palestinians Want Abbas to Resign​

It is interesting to note that nowhere in the article is the constitutional procedure for replacing a president mentioned.

He's 81. He failed to unite the Palestinians. Probably time to remove him and try again.

This poll in NO WAY is even a tacit support of Hamas. If THAT'S the direction the Palis choose -- they are doomed to become another failed indigenous people,...

Even Christians voted for Hamas. It was because Fatah sucked so bad. Corruption, violation of international and domestic law, focus on fake peace talks that drove the Palestinians backward. Just to name a few.

That's the way Democracy works. .1/2 the folks waste their votes and are pissed off for 4 or 6 years. When you want STATEHOOD and self-determination -- you need leadership to take you there. Arab leadership is typically NOT about democracy -- but about power and control, restraining the internal killing and distribution of wealth.

They may NEED a strongman leader -- but one that has long term goals and short patience for dissidents.
OR --- it may need to be done FOR THEM.. I suspect the latter is the more likely outcome.. THEN they can get picky about their politics..

 

[flacaltenn]

BTW -- I think these polls are EXCELLENT. It IS a form of democracy to tally the opinions. And they should be prodded to think MORE about the answers to the questions that the world wants to know. More polls, less rocket attacks. Engage the actual people. Find MORE than 1200 palestinian opinions..

 

[Hollie]

Poll results have been consistent over six months and were affirmed Monday: two-thirds of Palestinians would like President Mahmoud Abbas to resign after a string of policy failures. Yet the Palestinian leader does not appear to be under palpable domestic or international pressure to step down.

Poll: Two-Thirds of Palestinians Want Abbas to Resign​

It is interesting to note that nowhere in the article is the constitutional procedure for replacing a president mentioned.

He's 81. He failed to unite the Palestinians. Probably time to remove him and try again.

This poll in NO WAY is even a tacit support of Hamas. If THAT'S the direction the Palis choose -- they are doomed to become another failed indigenous people,...

Even Christians voted for Hamas. It was because Fatah sucked so bad. Corruption, violation of international and domestic law, focus on fake peace talks that drove the Palestinians backward. Just to name a few.

Pal'istanians need no one to lend an assist as they drive themselves backward. I'm never surprised at the inventive excuses that are used to explain away Arab-Moslem ineptitude and incompetence.

As usual, we're left to question why it is that other societies / cultures have managed to secure their place in the relevant first world while the entirety of the Arab-Moslem Middle East (and the majority of Islamist majority nations), are Third World (and retreating), dysfunctional and little more than polluted backwaters.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Poll results have been consistent over six months and were affirmed Monday: two-thirds of Palestinians would like President Mahmoud Abbas to resign after a string of policy failures. Yet the Palestinian leader does not appear to be under palpable domestic or international pressure to step down.

Poll: Two-Thirds of Palestinians Want Abbas to Resign​

It is interesting to note that nowhere in the article is the constitutional procedure for replacing a president mentioned.

He's 81. He failed to unite the Palestinians. Probably time to remove him and try again.

This poll in NO WAY is even a tacit support of Hamas. If THAT'S the direction the Palis choose -- they are doomed to become another failed indigenous people,...

Even Christians voted for Hamas. It was because Fatah sucked so bad. Corruption, violation of international and domestic law, focus on fake peace talks that drove the Palestinians backward. Just to name a few.

That's the way Democracy works. .1/2 the folks waste their votes and are pissed off for 4 or 6 years. When you want STATEHOOD and self-determination -- you need leadership to take you there. Arab leadership is typically NOT about democracy -- but about power and control, restraining the internal killing and distribution of wealth.

They may NEED a strongman leader -- but one that has long term goals and short patience for dissidents.
OR --- it may need to be done FOR THEM.. I suspect the latter is the more likely outcome.. THEN they can get picky about their politics..

Good points. What about foreigners choosing your leaders?

 

[flacaltenn]

Poll results have been consistent over six months and were affirmed Monday: two-thirds of Palestinians would like President Mahmoud Abbas to resign after a string of policy failures. Yet the Palestinian leader does not appear to be under palpable domestic or international pressure to step down.

Poll: Two-Thirds of Palestinians Want Abbas to Resign​

It is interesting to note that nowhere in the article is the constitutional procedure for replacing a president mentioned.

He's 81. He failed to unite the Palestinians. Probably time to remove him and try again.

This poll in NO WAY is even a tacit support of Hamas. If THAT'S the direction the Palis choose -- they are doomed to become another failed indigenous people,...

Even Christians voted for Hamas. It was because Fatah sucked so bad. Corruption, violation of international and domestic law, focus on fake peace talks that drove the Palestinians backward. Just to name a few.

Pal'istanians need no one to lend an assist as they drive themselves backward. I'm never surprised at the inventive excuses that are used to explain away Arab-Moslem ineptitude and incompetence.

As usual, we're left to question why it is that other societies / cultures have managed to secure their place in the relevant first world while the entirety of the Arab-Moslem Middle East (and the majority of Islamist majority nations), are Third World (and retreating), dysfunctional and little more than polluted backwaters.

I think it's because they PREFER strong leadership to keep the peace and create an economy. Iran (and Egypt/Iraq/Jordan for that matter) are not "backwards" people. They tolerate their leadership because it is REQUIRED for stability and peace. It's a rough neighborhood. You need your Saddam Husseins and Bashir Assads to wave a couple shotguns and have dungeons..

You could have THRIVING, well educated people under those conditions with the right kind of "benevolent dictatorship"...

 

[flacaltenn]

Poll results have been consistent over six months and were affirmed Monday: two-thirds of Palestinians would like President Mahmoud Abbas to resign after a string of policy failures. Yet the Palestinian leader does not appear to be under palpable domestic or international pressure to step down.

Poll: Two-Thirds of Palestinians Want Abbas to Resign​

It is interesting to note that nowhere in the article is the constitutional procedure for replacing a president mentioned.

He's 81. He failed to unite the Palestinians. Probably time to remove him and try again.

This poll in NO WAY is even a tacit support of Hamas. If THAT'S the direction the Palis choose -- they are doomed to become another failed indigenous people,...

Even Christians voted for Hamas. It was because Fatah sucked so bad. Corruption, violation of international and domestic law, focus on fake peace talks that drove the Palestinians backward. Just to name a few.

That's the way Democracy works. .1/2 the folks waste their votes and are pissed off for 4 or 6 years. When you want STATEHOOD and self-determination -- you need leadership to take you there. Arab leadership is typically NOT about democracy -- but about power and control, restraining the internal killing and distribution of wealth.

They may NEED a strongman leader -- but one that has long term goals and short patience for dissidents.
OR --- it may need to be done FOR THEM.. I suspect the latter is the more likely outcome.. THEN they can get picky about their politics..

Good points. What about foreigners choosing your leaders?

Not buying any excuses for the plight of Palestinians. IF a construct of statehood needs to be FORCED on them temporarily -- it should be the NEIGHBORHOOD that does that. Not international posers with a Nobel Prize on their minds..

 

[P F Tinmore]

Poll results have been consistent over six months and were affirmed Monday: two-thirds of Palestinians would like President Mahmoud Abbas to resign after a string of policy failures. Yet the Palestinian leader does not appear to be under palpable domestic or international pressure to step down.

Poll: Two-Thirds of Palestinians Want Abbas to Resign​

It is interesting to note that nowhere in the article is the constitutional procedure for replacing a president mentioned.

He's 81. He failed to unite the Palestinians. Probably time to remove him and try again.

This poll in NO WAY is even a tacit support of Hamas. If THAT'S the direction the Palis choose -- they are doomed to become another failed indigenous people,...

Even Christians voted for Hamas. It was because Fatah sucked so bad. Corruption, violation of international and domestic law, focus on fake peace talks that drove the Palestinians backward. Just to name a few.

That's the way Democracy works. .1/2 the folks waste their votes and are pissed off for 4 or 6 years. When you want STATEHOOD and self-determination -- you need leadership to take you there. Arab leadership is typically NOT about democracy -- but about power and control, restraining the internal killing and distribution of wealth.

They may NEED a strongman leader -- but one that has long term goals and short patience for dissidents.
OR --- it may need to be done FOR THEM.. I suspect the latter is the more likely outcome.. THEN they can get picky about their politics..

Good points. What about foreigners choosing your leaders?

Not buying any excuses for the plight of Palestinians. IF a construct of statehood needs to be FORCED on them temporarily -- it should be the NEIGHBORHOOD that does that. Not international posers with a Nobel Prize on their minds..

Are you implying that this story is false?

 

[Hollie]

Poll results have been consistent over six months and were affirmed Monday: two-thirds of Palestinians would like President Mahmoud Abbas to resign after a string of policy failures. Yet the Palestinian leader does not appear to be under palpable domestic or international pressure to step down.

Poll: Two-Thirds of Palestinians Want Abbas to Resign​

It is interesting to note that nowhere in the article is the constitutional procedure for replacing a president mentioned.

He's 81. He failed to unite the Palestinians. Probably time to remove him and try again.

This poll in NO WAY is even a tacit support of Hamas. If THAT'S the direction the Palis choose -- they are doomed to become another failed indigenous people,...

Even Christians voted for Hamas. It was because Fatah sucked so bad. Corruption, violation of international and domestic law, focus on fake peace talks that drove the Palestinians backward. Just to name a few.

That's the way Democracy works. .1/2 the folks waste their votes and are pissed off for 4 or 6 years. When you want STATEHOOD and self-determination -- you need leadership to take you there. Arab leadership is typically NOT about democracy -- but about power and control, restraining the internal killing and distribution of wealth.

They may NEED a strongman leader -- but one that has long term goals and short patience for dissidents.
OR --- it may need to be done FOR THEM.. I suspect the latter is the more likely outcome.. THEN they can get picky about their politics..

Good points. What about foreigners choosing your leaders?

Pretty typical of your excuses for an inability of Arabs-Moslems to manage their affairs. "I blame the Great Satan" (and whoever else can be thrown onto my bonfire of ineptitude) is getting old, Bunky.

 

[Phoenall]

Well, like I said, the "suffering" unoccupied Palestinians that are being governed by Hamas, an Islamic terrorist organization have no choice but to slaughter innocent people in their quest for establishing an Islamic Caliphate, which happens to be exactly what ISIS is trying to do.

Hamas of Gaza = ISIS of Syria

Again, can you answer the question. I am truly curious to know, it's not a trick question.

What group seeking freedom from foreign rule, past or present, should the Palestinians emulate?

Of course all the Israeli propagandists missed the part where Britain and the Zionists openly talked about their colonial project in Palestine.

Which means what exactly, other than they wished to colonise 0.1% of the Ottoman lands leaving 99.9% in the hands of arab muslims. The 99.9% is under arab muslim rule the 0.1% is under Jewish rule. The west bank and gaza are under arab muslim rule in the guise of the P.A. according to the U.N.

You call that a point?

Stronger than anything that you have brought to the board. If I had a time machine and could go back to 1917 and warn the world of the outcome of treating the muslims with kid gloves would be I would. And if the leaders listened then WW2 would have been nipped in the bud and Jordan would not exist. Along with a few more islamonazi atrocities along the way

 

[Phoenall]

The Jews were already there, Israel is and has always been the ancient Jewish homeland. It is holier to the Jews, than all other faiths combined.

In other words, the Jews are here to stay, and will never leave, get it? And if the Arab Muslims don't straighten their terroristic behavior, they're the ones that will be leaving soon. The Jews are running out of patience with Arab Muslim intolerance and savagery, in fact, the whole world is. Israel is just one of many front lines of Islam's war against civilization.

Now, back to the topic, if Palestinians truly want peace and coexistence, wanting an Islamic terrorist organization who wants to destroy Israel and establish a Caliphate instead, as your leader, is definitely not the way to get Israelis to the table.

And if the Palestinians want war, terrorism, and violence, then the Israelis are ready for that too. It's up to the Palestinians.

Jews were banned from the area by the Byzantines. It was a Christian only land under the Byzantines. Demographics will rule the day.

Were you there to see this happening, or is it your interpretation of what you have read ?

 

[Phoenall]

The Muslims went to Europe from another continent and are invaders causing havoc. They should be expelled.

The Jews went to Palestine from another continent and caused havoc as invaders.

The Arabs also came to Palestine from another continent and caused havoc as invaders. They caused so much havoc that cultures which preceded them were very nearly wiped out. (And they are still trying).

Why do you support those particular invaders?

The Arabian peninsula and Palestine are on the same continent. The Arabians were rulers, they did not replace the existing Christian native population. They replaced the Byzantines as rulers. Many of the native Christians converted to Islam. Historical fact is not that complicated.

Until you come along and put your interpretation on it, then start editing wiki articles to meet with your POV. Remember telling the board about your editing of wiki just last year ?

 

[Phoenall]

He's 81. He failed to unite the Palestinians. Probably time to remove him and try again.

This poll in NO WAY is even a tacit support of Hamas. If THAT'S the direction the Palis choose -- they are doomed to become another failed indigenous people,...

Even Christians voted for Hamas. It was because Fatah sucked so bad. Corruption, violation of international and domestic law, focus on fake peace talks that drove the Palestinians backward. Just to name a few.

That's the way Democracy works. .1/2 the folks waste their votes and are pissed off for 4 or 6 years. When you want STATEHOOD and self-determination -- you need leadership to take you there. Arab leadership is typically NOT about democracy -- but about power and control, restraining the internal killing and distribution of wealth.

They may NEED a strongman leader -- but one that has long term goals and short patience for dissidents.
OR --- it may need to be done FOR THEM.. I suspect the latter is the more likely outcome.. THEN they can get picky about their politics..

Good points. What about foreigners choosing your leaders?

Not buying any excuses for the plight of Palestinians. IF a construct of statehood needs to be FORCED on them temporarily -- it should be the NEIGHBORHOOD that does that. Not international posers with a Nobel Prize on their minds..

Are you implying that this story is false?

Are you saying that it is 100% true even though the Palestinian leaders from 1917 have been having their leaders chosen for them by the arab league

 

[Phoenall]

Mod Edit: Posts in IP must have some content related to topic. No derailing please.

Note, we have dedicated threads for the most popular derailments.

Well, if the premise is that the Jews have always lived in Palestine, have been the majority in Palestine since time immemorial, did not come from Europe to colonize Palestine and there were no Christians and Muslims in Palestine then there is no reason to continue debating. Based on that premise, the non-Jews have absolutely no right to be in Palestine or Israel. Ciao.

The most honest thing you have stated since you infected this board

 

[P F Tinmore]

Even Christians voted for Hamas. It was because Fatah sucked so bad. Corruption, violation of international and domestic law, focus on fake peace talks that drove the Palestinians backward. Just to name a few.

That's the way Democracy works. .1/2 the folks waste their votes and are pissed off for 4 or 6 years. When you want STATEHOOD and self-determination -- you need leadership to take you there. Arab leadership is typically NOT about democracy -- but about power and control, restraining the internal killing and distribution of wealth.

They may NEED a strongman leader -- but one that has long term goals and short patience for dissidents.
OR --- it may need to be done FOR THEM.. I suspect the latter is the more likely outcome.. THEN they can get picky about their politics..

Good points. What about foreigners choosing your leaders?

Not buying any excuses for the plight of Palestinians. IF a construct of statehood needs to be FORCED on them temporarily -- it should be the NEIGHBORHOOD that does that. Not international posers with a Nobel Prize on their minds..

Are you implying that this story is false?

Are you saying that it is 100% true even though the Palestinian leaders from 1917 have been having their leaders chosen for them by the arab league

Indeed, Palestine's leaders have been arrested, exiled, or killed since 1917 but that does not answer my question.

Are you implying that this story is false?

 

[flacaltenn]

He's 81. He failed to unite the Palestinians. Probably time to remove him and try again.

This poll in NO WAY is even a tacit support of Hamas. If THAT'S the direction the Palis choose -- they are doomed to become another failed indigenous people,...

Even Christians voted for Hamas. It was because Fatah sucked so bad. Corruption, violation of international and domestic law, focus on fake peace talks that drove the Palestinians backward. Just to name a few.

That's the way Democracy works. .1/2 the folks waste their votes and are pissed off for 4 or 6 years. When you want STATEHOOD and self-determination -- you need leadership to take you there. Arab leadership is typically NOT about democracy -- but about power and control, restraining the internal killing and distribution of wealth.

They may NEED a strongman leader -- but one that has long term goals and short patience for dissidents.
OR --- it may need to be done FOR THEM.. I suspect the latter is the more likely outcome.. THEN they can get picky about their politics..

Good points. What about foreigners choosing your leaders?

Not buying any excuses for the plight of Palestinians. IF a construct of statehood needs to be FORCED on them temporarily -- it should be the NEIGHBORHOOD that does that. Not international posers with a Nobel Prize on their minds..

Are you implying that this story is false?

Rose would not DETAIL his sources.. He only said they were Palestinian sources. But it doesn't matter.. There was no US sponsored coup.. No removal of Hamas or the "unity govt".. NOTHING OF THE SORT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.. So it's irrelevant speculation... From a FAR left source who was mortal enemies with the Bush Admin to begin with. A lot of partisan whining.. BILL F-ing CLINTON would have taken the same approach if Hamas suddenly decided to become politically active in Palestine..

Did we work with Fatah? You bet your ass we did... They were a responsible party to peace discussions,. PREFERRING Fatah and the govt that LED to the turnover of Gaza --- is FAR preferable than forcing an "OUTSIDE" solution on Palestinians who constantly tear down ANY progress towards responsible statehood.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Even Christians voted for Hamas. It was because Fatah sucked so bad. Corruption, violation of international and domestic law, focus on fake peace talks that drove the Palestinians backward. Just to name a few.

That's the way Democracy works. .1/2 the folks waste their votes and are pissed off for 4 or 6 years. When you want STATEHOOD and self-determination -- you need leadership to take you there. Arab leadership is typically NOT about democracy -- but about power and control, restraining the internal killing and distribution of wealth.

They may NEED a strongman leader -- but one that has long term goals and short patience for dissidents.
OR --- it may need to be done FOR THEM.. I suspect the latter is the more likely outcome.. THEN they can get picky about their politics..

Good points. What about foreigners choosing your leaders?

Not buying any excuses for the plight of Palestinians. IF a construct of statehood needs to be FORCED on them temporarily -- it should be the NEIGHBORHOOD that does that. Not international posers with a Nobel Prize on their minds..

Are you implying that this story is false?

Rose would not DETAIL his sources.. He only said they were Palestinian sources. But it doesn't matter.. There was no US sponsored coup.. No removal of Hamas or the "unity govt".. NOTHING OF THE SORT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.. So it's irrelevant speculation... From a FAR left source who was mortal enemies with the Bush Admin to begin with. A lot of partisan whining.. BILL F-ing CLINTON would have taken the same approach if Hamas suddenly decided to become politically active in Palestine..

Did we work with Fatah? You bet your ass we did... They were a responsible party to peace discussions,. PREFERRING Fatah and the govt that LED to the turnover of Gaza --- is FAR preferable than forcing an "OUTSIDE" solution on Palestinians who constantly tear down ANY progress towards responsible statehood.

There was no US sponsored coup.. No removal of Hamas or the "unity govt".. NOTHING OF THE SORT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.​

Of course you have nothing to back up what you say.

If you don't like that source, how about one from the CBC in Canada?

 

[flacaltenn]

That's the way Democracy works. .1/2 the folks waste their votes and are pissed off for 4 or 6 years. When you want STATEHOOD and self-determination -- you need leadership to take you there. Arab leadership is typically NOT about democracy -- but about power and control, restraining the internal killing and distribution of wealth.

They may NEED a strongman leader -- but one that has long term goals and short patience for dissidents.
OR --- it may need to be done FOR THEM.. I suspect the latter is the more likely outcome.. THEN they can get picky about their politics..

Good points. What about foreigners choosing your leaders?

Not buying any excuses for the plight of Palestinians. IF a construct of statehood needs to be FORCED on them temporarily -- it should be the NEIGHBORHOOD that does that. Not international posers with a Nobel Prize on their minds..

Are you implying that this story is false?

Rose would not DETAIL his sources.. He only said they were Palestinian sources. But it doesn't matter.. There was no US sponsored coup.. No removal of Hamas or the "unity govt".. NOTHING OF THE SORT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.. So it's irrelevant speculation... From a FAR left source who was mortal enemies with the Bush Admin to begin with. A lot of partisan whining.. BILL F-ing CLINTON would have taken the same approach if Hamas suddenly decided to become politically active in Palestine..

Did we work with Fatah? You bet your ass we did... They were a responsible party to peace discussions,. PREFERRING Fatah and the govt that LED to the turnover of Gaza --- is FAR preferable than forcing an "OUTSIDE" solution on Palestinians who constantly tear down ANY progress towards responsible statehood.

There was no US sponsored coup.. No removal of Hamas or the "unity govt".. NOTHING OF THE SORT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.​

Of course you have nothing to back up what you say.

If you don't like that source, how about one from the CBC in Canada?

There cannot be a coup BY DEFINITION. Because the govt became NON-FUNCTIONAL.. You don't take-over a govt to make it non-functional.. That's NOT a coup... Or it's a damn ineffective LOUSY effort at a coup..

 

[P F Tinmore]

Good points. What about foreigners choosing your leaders?

Not buying any excuses for the plight of Palestinians. IF a construct of statehood needs to be FORCED on them temporarily -- it should be the NEIGHBORHOOD that does that. Not international posers with a Nobel Prize on their minds..

Are you implying that this story is false?

Rose would not DETAIL his sources.. He only said they were Palestinian sources. But it doesn't matter.. There was no US sponsored coup.. No removal of Hamas or the "unity govt".. NOTHING OF THE SORT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.. So it's irrelevant speculation... From a FAR left source who was mortal enemies with the Bush Admin to begin with. A lot of partisan whining.. BILL F-ing CLINTON would have taken the same approach if Hamas suddenly decided to become politically active in Palestine..

Did we work with Fatah? You bet your ass we did... They were a responsible party to peace discussions,. PREFERRING Fatah and the govt that LED to the turnover of Gaza --- is FAR preferable than forcing an "OUTSIDE" solution on Palestinians who constantly tear down ANY progress towards responsible statehood.

There was no US sponsored coup.. No removal of Hamas or the "unity govt".. NOTHING OF THE SORT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.​

Of course you have nothing to back up what you say.

If you don't like that source, how about one from the CBC in Canada?

There cannot be a coup BY DEFINITION. Because the govt became NON-FUNCTIONAL.. You don't take-over a govt to make it non-functional.. That's NOT a coup... Or it's a damn ineffective LOUSY effort at a coup..

Why are you absolutely denying the truth. Is it because you are inclined to believe every Israeli lie that comes down the pike.

I have posted a British source. I have posted a Canadian source. How about one from on the ground in Gaza about a week before the Hamas coup lie?

Start @ 6:40

 

[Phoenall]

That's the way Democracy works. .1/2 the folks waste their votes and are pissed off for 4 or 6 years. When you want STATEHOOD and self-determination -- you need leadership to take you there. Arab leadership is typically NOT about democracy -- but about power and control, restraining the internal killing and distribution of wealth.

They may NEED a strongman leader -- but one that has long term goals and short patience for dissidents.
OR --- it may need to be done FOR THEM.. I suspect the latter is the more likely outcome.. THEN they can get picky about their politics..

Good points. What about foreigners choosing your leaders?

Not buying any excuses for the plight of Palestinians. IF a construct of statehood needs to be FORCED on them temporarily -- it should be the NEIGHBORHOOD that does that. Not international posers with a Nobel Prize on their minds..

Are you implying that this story is false?

Are you saying that it is 100% true even though the Palestinian leaders from 1917 have been having their leaders chosen for them by the arab league

Indeed, Palestine's leaders have been arrested, exiled, or killed since 1917 but that does not answer my question.

Are you implying that this story is false?

Why have you got evidence from another source that it isn't ?

That's the way Democracy works. .1/2 the folks waste their votes and are pissed off for 4 or 6 years. When you want STATEHOOD and self-determination -- you need leadership to take you there. Arab leadership is typically NOT about democracy -- but about power and control, restraining the internal killing and distribution of wealth.

They may NEED a strongman leader -- but one that has long term goals and short patience for dissidents.
OR --- it may need to be done FOR THEM.. I suspect the latter is the more likely outcome.. THEN they can get picky about their politics..

Good points. What about foreigners choosing your leaders?

Not buying any excuses for the plight of Palestinians. IF a construct of statehood needs to be FORCED on them temporarily -- it should be the NEIGHBORHOOD that does that. Not international posers with a Nobel Prize on their minds..

Are you implying that this story is false?

Rose would not DETAIL his sources.. He only said they were Palestinian sources. But it doesn't matter.. There was no US sponsored coup.. No removal of Hamas or the "unity govt".. NOTHING OF THE SORT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.. So it's irrelevant speculation... From a FAR left source who was mortal enemies with the Bush Admin to begin with. A lot of partisan whining.. BILL F-ing CLINTON would have taken the same approach if Hamas suddenly decided to become politically active in Palestine..

Did we work with Fatah? You bet your ass we did... They were a responsible party to peace discussions,. PREFERRING Fatah and the govt that LED to the turnover of Gaza --- is FAR preferable than forcing an "OUTSIDE" solution on Palestinians who constantly tear down ANY progress towards responsible statehood.

There was no US sponsored coup.. No removal of Hamas or the "unity govt".. NOTHING OF THE SORT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.​

Of course you have nothing to back up what you say.

If you don't like that source, how about one from the CBC in Canada?

Nope it is the same source and in both cases this is islamonazi propaganda

 

[Phoenall]

Not buying any excuses for the plight of Palestinians. IF a construct of statehood needs to be FORCED on them temporarily -- it should be the NEIGHBORHOOD that does that. Not international posers with a Nobel Prize on their minds..

Are you implying that this story is false?

Rose would not DETAIL his sources.. He only said they were Palestinian sources. But it doesn't matter.. There was no US sponsored coup.. No removal of Hamas or the "unity govt".. NOTHING OF THE SORT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.. So it's irrelevant speculation... From a FAR left source who was mortal enemies with the Bush Admin to begin with. A lot of partisan whining.. BILL F-ing CLINTON would have taken the same approach if Hamas suddenly decided to become politically active in Palestine..

Did we work with Fatah? You bet your ass we did... They were a responsible party to peace discussions,. PREFERRING Fatah and the govt that LED to the turnover of Gaza --- is FAR preferable than forcing an "OUTSIDE" solution on Palestinians who constantly tear down ANY progress towards responsible statehood.

There was no US sponsored coup.. No removal of Hamas or the "unity govt".. NOTHING OF THE SORT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.​

Of course you have nothing to back up what you say.

If you don't like that source, how about one from the CBC in Canada?

There cannot be a coup BY DEFINITION. Because the govt became NON-FUNCTIONAL.. You don't take-over a govt to make it non-functional.. That's NOT a coup... Or it's a damn ineffective LOUSY effort at a coup..

Why are you absolutely denying the truth. Is it because you are inclined to believe every Israeli lie that comes down the pike.

I have posted a British source. I have posted a Canadian source. How about one from on the ground in Gaza about a week before the Hamas coup lie?

Start @ 6:40

See all you have is islamonazi propaganda talking points, and no actual evidence of any coup