Let's see let me recap.
800 Billion dollar stimulus introduced with on a Thursday evening prior to debate its over 1000 pages long gave members little time to actually read it. The bill has resulted in such things as 3.2 million dollars spent on turtle tunnels, 1.7 million on marsh mice studies, and a whole host of spending that will not create jobs, and all this in the face of statements made along these lines , that unemployment will not rise above 8.5% with it's passage. This bill is a disaster and is showing as a disaster and no amount of spin will make it better.
1.2 Trillion for a cap and Trade bill that over 300 pages was presented in the middle of the night and was not even given to members and assumed they would go to the congressional web page to read it. However, debate went forward with amendments cut off and here is another bill that proposes more Govt. mandates and add to the deficit.
1.6 Trillion for a healthcare bill that Nancy Pelosi is determined to ram through the house regardless how much damage it will do.
So spare me this notion of how much the democrats are doing things so well, when by the end of this year if all these bills actually pass into law, the deficit will be tripled in one year of Obama's Administration. So please spare me this notion of how much the democrats care when the plan on turning this nation into a 3rd world backwater.
1. You people still just...don't...get...it. Show me the provisions relating to turtles and mice in the Stimulus Bill. Please. I'm sure everyone else is curious too. Could it be you are clueless HOW the money is distributed? Actually, a lot of it has not been distributed to the states because they will not be getting blank checks, which is a good thing for God's sake!!)
The majority of the $787 billion isn't pork. Indeed, tax relief alone makes up some 34% of the bill. Where you might find the pork is in the so-called discretionary spending portion of the bill, which amount to $308 billion, according to the CBO. Of that money, $48 billion goes to the Department of Transportation for various rail and road projects to repair and expand infrastructure.
That leaves about $260 billion of discretionary spending that goes to various federal agencies, as well as to state and local governments. How much of that amount helps special interests instead of the economy depends, of course, on what you consider a special interest.
2. Agreement on health care reform remains ellusive even as I post this.
3. There’s still a long road ahead for the legislation on cap and trade. The Senate isn’t expected to take up the issue until fall at the earliest—and the path to passage there will be tougher than passage in the House.
Listen, folks, if you want to bash Obama--go for it. But stop with the lies about where things stand, will ya?
Like Biden said,there are bound to be some mistakes with spending and projected figures coming from the White House with such a large project as the Stimulus bill. In any case, Florida has allotted some of their
Stimulus money,3.4 million, to go for a 13 ft. "Turtle Tunnel" near Tallahassee,Fla.
Charlotte Front and Center: Turtles Receive 3.4 Million from Obama's Stimulus Plan
The tiny mouse that became a hotly disputed symbol of wasteful spending in the congressional debate over the $787 billion economic stimulus bill has returned to pester House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
The Obama administration quietly announced last week
that as much as $16.1 million from the stimulus program is going to save the San Francisco Bay area habitat of, among other things, the endangered salt marsh harvest mouse.That has revived Republican criticism that the pet project was an "invisible earmark" in the massive spending bill for Mrs. Pelosi, whose San Francisco district abuts the bay, and epitomizes the failure of stimulus spending to help an economy still shedding jobs.
The Club For Growth - http://www.clubforgrowth.org
"I believe that legislation of this enormous magnitude, that by necessity we are moving quickly -- we're not moving quickly because we're trying to jamb something down people's throats. We're moving quickly because we're told that if we don't move quickly, that the economy is going keep on getting worse, and we'll have another 2 or 3 or 4 million jobs loss this year." Barack Obama
"This plan will save or create over three million jobs -- almost all of them in the private sector." Barack Obama
It's unclear whether this will work, because polls show mounting anxiety about Obama's policies. These include his $787 billion stimulus package, which has not had a huge impact so far, and, more broadly, the vast spending that has pushed the federal deficit to the unprecedented level of more than $1 trillion this year.
What seems most unsettling to voters is that unemployment keeps going up. It is now at 9.5 percent, the highest in more than 25 years, and the rate is expected to climb to 10 or 11 percent in the next few months. Obama advisers had predicted that his stimulus package would hold unemployment at or below 8 percent.
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(AP) President Barack Obama says unemployment is likely to tick up for several months as the economy recovers from its deepest downturn in decades.
The president said Tuesday that renewed employment typically lags behind other signs of improvement as a swooning economy turns around.
More than 2 million jobs have been lost since Congress passed Obama's $787 billion economic stimulus package. The unemployment rate stands at 9.5 percent, the highest in 26 years.
Obama said the single biggest challenge for the U.S. and other nations is the creation of enough jobs that pay good wages.
He spoke in the Oval Office after meeting with Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende
Obama: Unemployment Rate Likely to Rise - CBS News
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Swindlers, con men, and thieves could siphon off as much as $50 billion of the government's planned stimulus package as the money begins flooding the economy in coming months, according to David Williams, who runs Deloitte Financial Services Advisory and counsels clients on fraud prevention.
Williams predicted that about $500 billion of the total $787 billion stimulus would be channeled into the traditional procurement network for government contracts, while the rest will be spent directly by the government or outside the corporate network.
MarketWatch.com Story
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Vice President Joe Biden acknowledged on Tuesday that some waste is inevitable in the spending of a $787 billion economic stimulus package, in a characteristically blunt assessment.
"We know some of this money is going to be wasted," Biden said during a roundtable discussion in New York with business leaders aimed at promoting the two-year stimulus plan.
Biden says some waste inevitable part of stimulus | Politics | Reuters
I don't have to keep going Maggie, the Stimulus was wrong then, it's wrong now, and has done NOTHING and I mean NOTHING to save jobs or to stimulate the economy. In fact let me cite you a few examples that are close to a democrats heart. I wonder how many teachers my district could have kept had the State of Fl. had not decided to build a 3.4 million dollar tunnel for turtles with your's and my tax money or perhaps the 11 Million that Microsoft is going to use for a bridge for it's employee's, it's not like Microsoft can't afford to build it's own bridge. So spare me this notion of how well the stimulus is working or that somehow it's not legitmate to complain when States are using MY tax money all in the name of a great spending spree under the guises of saving jobs when every single day more and more people continue to lose their jobs. Not 1 cent should have been spent on a Stimulus bill and in fact it would have made no difference in the economy what so ever. It's those who have this misconception that everything that the Administration is doing is correct and not subject to questioning who are being duped and I actually pity them because when reality sets in they will be the ones hit the hardest when they suddenly realize that the nirvana they have been promised is not comming and it's up to them to decide whats best for them. So when you can provide me with unemployment numbers that indicate the stimulus bill is working i.e. 2 million plus new jobs and the deficit lower as well as less than 8% I will stand frim in my belief that President Obama's stimulus package is nothing more than another massive spending program that does nothing more than put this nation further in debt and saddle our children with more debt that it they cannot possibly pay.
