Poll: Do You Agree With Dr. Rand Paul That Dr. Anthony Fauci Lied to Congress Regarding NIH Funding Gain of Function Research in Wuhan?

[rightwinger]

"Gain of Function" is the very reason we are in this vaccine or no vaccine dilemma. They created this mess and all who were involved should be in prison including Fauci.

Gain of Function is a buzzword Rand Paul picked up off of Ted Cruz

Neither knows what it means

MAYBE if they let Fauci get a word in edgewise, he could teach them

 

[Hossfly]

Rand Paul didnt like the existing board of ophthalmology, so he create his own board of ophthalmology and certified himself.

That's called American ingenuity and enterprise, dintya know?l

 

[Kondor3]

You forgot Option No. 3 - "I don't know."

In lieu of which I gave the guy the benefit of a doubt.

 

[DukeU]

Gain of Function is a buzzword Rand Paul picked up off of Ted Cruz

Neither knows what it means

MAYBE if they let Fauci get a word in edgewise, he could teach them

Fauci had his chance to teach, for a solid year he did nothing but flip flop on everything he said.

He made his bed, now he has to lay in it.

 

[Kondor3]

Their testy exchange, where each accused the other of lying is here.



It would be helpful to watch the whole thing in order to cast an informed vote.

Basically, Rand Paul uses Fauci's own testimony, a paper from one of the Wuhan virologists stating that the research was being funded by NIH, and the NIH's own definition of "gain of function" to make the case that Fauci lied.

Fauci defended himself by saying that Dr. Paul does not know what he is talking about and he is the one who is lying (effectively, "nuh-uh").

Your vote will be publicly viewable, and you cannot change your vote.

Fauci is a career US Gubmint Employee and as-such is conditioned - by osmosis - to tow the Gubmint line on a wide variety of subjects.

Then again, Paul is such a jacka$$ and shill and front-man that I'd get a second opinion if he told me that the sun rises in the East.

Besides... Paul's is not a virology specialist like the guy on the other end of the exchange.

 

[San Souci]

Their testy exchange, where each accused the other of lying is here.



It would be helpful to watch the whole thing in order to cast an informed vote.

Basically, Rand Paul uses Fauci's own testimony, a paper from one of the Wuhan virologists stating that the research was being funded by NIH, and the NIH's own definition of "gain of function" to make the case that Fauci lied.

Fauci defended himself by saying that Dr. Paul does not know what he is talking about and he is the one who is lying (effectively, "nuh-uh").

Your vote will be publicly viewable, and you cannot change your vote.

Fauci lied.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

Optometrist passing as an expert on infectious diseases

DOCTOR Fauci called him on it
”You don’t know what you are talking about”

Eye doctors have to go to medical school just like "Doctor" Faulsi.

I don't have a medical degree, but the subject matter is not so complicated to be understood by relatively intelligent people.

"Gain of Function" is not really complicated subject matter, and whether funding was provided for certain research seems to be well established, as acknowledged by the author of the research.

So the only question seems to be, is making a virus that does not infect humans capable of infecting humans through laboratory manipulation, gain of function?

It seems pretty clear that it is, and Fauci admits that is what was done, but he disputes the labeling of it as "gain of function."

Why do so many people here agree with Fauci and think it is not? No one has explained that yet.

 

[badger2]

Yes, Paul knew what he was talking about. The NIH-funded study that includes Daszak that mentioned. Is this (too [italics]) easy for the drama queens, that Paul’s rebutting article mentions gain of function mechanisms though not the actual dipshit phrase? Paul knows how to process the mother tongue, and any reading organism can also read Paul’s rebutting article, though who has the stones to do it in front of their thread peers?

 

[San Souci]

I don't have a medical degree, but the subject matter is not so complicated to be understood by relatively intelligent people.

"Gain of Function" is not really complicated subject matter, and whether funding was provided for certain research seems to be well established, as acknowledged by the author of the research.

So the only question seems to be, is making a virus that does not infect humans capable of infecting humans through laboratory manipulation, gain of function?

It seems pretty clear that it is, and Fauci admits that is what was done, but he disputes the labeling of it as "gain of function."

Why do so many people here agree with Fauci and think it is not? No one has explained that yet.

Screwing around with Mutant viruses is dangerous. Turning that research over to a Communist country is treason.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Fauci did not lie to Congress.

and as AzogtheDefiler has told us...a lie isn't a lie if the person lying believes it. At least that is how he defends his ever-loving devotion to mara-lard-ass.

Fauci lied. He did not believe it.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Damn fucking right Fauci lied. He was called out. That's why he was shaking like a dog shittin peach seeds during his testimony.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Previous post is yet another maga fuckup brought to you by Angry White Fuckups, Inc.

Are you white?

 

[skye]

Fauci lied.

He is an evil POS.

 

[Lesh]

When you take a small amount of virus and grow it in a lab to study it… that’s gain of function

Can that create problems? It can and care needs to be taken but that is the only way to study virus’

Did the NIH give money to Ecohealth? Yes. Did Ecohealth give money to the Wuhan lab? Yes
Was it provided for Gof F ? No

Was Gof F the cause of the outbreak? There is no evidence that it did.

 

[otto105]

That is not a helpful post and is redundant with your vote.

I would love to hear some well-articulated thoughts about why people agree with Fauci that he did not lie to Congress.

So far, rightwinger has given some reasons. His main point seems to be that Fauci is better qualified than Paul to determine what is gain of function and what is not. While true, it's not very convincing.

otto105 tried, but I don't see how his link is responsive. The quote from Dr. Stanely Perlman does not support any claim that gain of function research was not funded. There are other qualified doctors who are on record stating Fauci did fund GOF. For example...

MSN

www.msn.com

JackOfNoTrades said there is no evidence, but the evidence is presented in post #1. Dispute it, if you can, please.

It would be nice if someone could argue why NIH did not provide funding (fat chance), and/or why the funded research is not considered to be "gain of function." I've yet to hear anyone articulate that, including Fauci.

I have posted an article on subject which you disagree with.

However, you have not posted nor has anyone else evidence that supports Paul’s assertions.

 

[Lesh]

Rand Paul is playing to an audience.

 

[otto105]

Betcha Falsi winds up in jail for mass murder and lying about GOF.

How much?

 

[WEATHER53]

Most all of Covid has been a statistical lie. Now the new shiny object is the more contagious, but less lethal, Delta and next up is Epsilon as the lockdown loons gotta keep banging that drum to force us into being as unproductive as they are.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Fauci lied.

He is an evil POS.

He helped murder millions so he could line his pockets.

 

[DukeU]

When you take a small amount of virus and grow it in a lab to study it… that’s gain of function

Can that create problems? It can and care needs to be taken but that is the only way to study virus’

Did the NIH give money to Ecohealth? Yes. Did Ecohealth give money to the Wuhan lab? Yes
Was it provided for Gof F ? No

Was Gof F the cause of the outbreak? There is no evidence that it did.

Fauci once argued viral experiments worth the risk of pandemic​

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