Politics haunting the Catholic church once again

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New pope, old problem: Will Leo XIV resist tyranny? | Blaze Media

If the new pontiff wants to restore trust in the Catholic Church, he must renounce the secret agreement with China and embrace the persecuted faithful.

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Catholics have a new pope: Leo XIV. Most of the cardinals who elected him were appointed by Pope Francis, and at first glance, the new pontiff appears to share much with his predecessor. But it’s early yet. Catholics should pray that Leo charts a very different course. The reason is simple: The Catholic Church finds itself locked in a battle against three hostile ideologies — globalism, Islam, and communism. And right now, it’s losing on all fronts.

Pope Francis earned the nickname the "People’s Pope,” a title meant to suggest he championed ordinary Catholics. In truth, he aligned more closely with the globalist left. He openly opposed President Trump’s push to restore American borders and criticized similar efforts by European nations to reclaim their sovereignty. Under Francis, the Church’s advocacy of open borders helped dismantle Western Christendom by encouraging the mass migration of Muslims into Europe. Many of these migrants view their secularized Christian hosts with contempt. European leaders, meanwhile, steeped in guilt and detached from the virtues of their own civilization, capitulated. The result: rape, murder, and a continent sinking into self-loathing. Only a radical reformation can pull Europe back from the brink.

I have to say, I don't have that much faith in the new Pope to do what needs to be done, just like I don't think he will do much to quell the old scandals of child abuse within the church.

More than likely, he just wants to smooth as many things over as possible and resume the status quo.

After all, courage is a rare thing, especially when it comes to wealthy and powerful political figures.

 

[Blaster]

Give the new pope a chance before you judge him.

 

[1srelluc]

My AO has become a "destination" for ultra conservative Catholics and now they are getting into spats with the protestants (RINOs) that used to hold sway in my town.

About 60% of our town/county offices are currently held by Catholics. Mostly Independents.

Given they are more conservative than the RINOs (who only want build-outs on every vacant piece of property to make their lawyer buddies rich) I tend to vote for them myself as by and large they run as slower growth Independents.

That said they do approve everything the Catholics want to build like Catholic schools, another church, and such....Better than subdivisions I guess.

Of course the RINOs only just started to bill themselves as "protestants" now that they have competition from the Catholics.

 

[g5000]

I think we need a new Inquisition to root out Muslims, Democrats, Mexicans, the poor, the D33P STAIT, and all other unfaithful undesirables.

Put them on the rack!

 

[Votto]

I think we need a new Inquisition to root out Muslims, Democrats, Mexicans, the poor, the D33P STAIT, and all other unfaithful undesirables.

Put them on the rack!

The Catholic church has an ugly tradition of not standing up to the most abhorant evil

As I have stated, they have done a horrible job rooting out the pedophile problem, being concerned more with keeping their wealth and priests than dishing out justice. No one can argue that. But this goes back further as the Catholic church refused to come out publicly against Hitler and the Nazi Genocide, once again to save their precious wordily treasures and little sovereign nation status.

Shrug, some things simply never change

But it all comes down to having courage which is a rare commodity.

 

[d0gbreath]

My AO has become a "destination" for ultra conservative Catholics and now they are getting into spats with the protestants (RINOs) that used to hold sway in my town.

About 60% of our town/county offices are currently held by Catholics. Mostly Independents.

Given they are more conservative than the RINOs (who only want build-outs on every vacant piece of property to make their lawyer buddies rich) I tend to vote for them myself as by and large they run as slower growth Independents.

That said they do approve everything the Catholics want to build like Catholic schools, another church, and such....Better than subdivisions I guess.

Of course the RINOs only just started to bill themselves as "protestants" now that they have competition from the Catholics.

21 years ago, my home was in the country. Well, a tiny subdivision in the country. The city has surrounded me. I might have to shoot my way out to survive.

 

[Foxfyre]

New pope, old problem: Will Leo XIV resist tyranny? | Blaze Media

If the new pontiff wants to restore trust in the Catholic Church, he must renounce the secret agreement with China and embrace the persecuted faithful.

www.theblaze.com

Catholics have a new pope: Leo XIV. Most of the cardinals who elected him were appointed by Pope Francis, and at first glance, the new pontiff appears to share much with his predecessor. But it’s early yet. Catholics should pray that Leo charts a very different course. The reason is simple: The Catholic Church finds itself locked in a battle against three hostile ideologies — globalism, Islam, and communism. And right now, it’s losing on all fronts.

Pope Francis earned the nickname the "People’s Pope,” a title meant to suggest he championed ordinary Catholics. In truth, he aligned more closely with the globalist left. He openly opposed President Trump’s push to restore American borders and criticized similar efforts by European nations to reclaim their sovereignty. Under Francis, the Church’s advocacy of open borders helped dismantle Western Christendom by encouraging the mass migration of Muslims into Europe. Many of these migrants view their secularized Christian hosts with contempt. European leaders, meanwhile, steeped in guilt and detached from the virtues of their own civilization, capitulated. The result: rape, murder, and a continent sinking into self-loathing. Only a radical reformation can pull Europe back from the brink.

I have to say, I don't have that much faith in the new Pope to do what needs to be done, just like I don't think he will do much to quell the old scandals of child abuse within the church.

More than likely, he just wants to smooth as many things over as possible and resume the status quo.

After all, courage is a rare thing, especially when it comes to wealthy and powerful political figures.

Given his history and affiliations, I will not be surprised if Leo turns out to be just another globalist and/or status quo pope.

But many Catholics I know hope for him to return to the old Catholic traditional conservatism.

I think it's way too early to know at this point and I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt and not make any judgments until he has some sort of track record as pope to evaluate.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Give the new pope a chance before you judge him.

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I see a very holy man.

When God's on your side, you can't lose.


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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

The Catholic church has an ugly tradition of not standing up to the most abhorant evil

As I have stated, they have done a horrible job rooting out the pedophile problem, being concerned more with keeping their wealth and priests than dishing out justice. No one can argue that. But this goes back further as the Catholic church refused to come out publicly against Hitler and the Nazi Genocide, once again to save their precious wordily treasures and little sovereign nation status.

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Shrug, some things simply never change

But it all comes down to having courage which is a rare commodity.

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Where did you get any context for the photo you posted?

The nazis killed a LOT of Catholic priests. Saint Maximilian Kolbe is the best known of them.

Maximilian Kolbe - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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[kyzr]

Catholics have a new pope: Leo XIV. Most of the cardinals who elected him were appointed by Pope Francis, and at first glance, the new pontiff appears to share much with his predecessor. But it’s early yet. Catholics should pray that Leo charts a very different course. The reason is simple: The Catholic Church finds itself locked in a battle against three hostile ideologies — globalism, Islam, and communism. And right now, it’s losing on all fronts.

Pope Francis earned the nickname the "People’s Pope,” a title meant to suggest he championed ordinary Catholics. In truth, he aligned more closely with the globalist left. He openly opposed President Trump’s push to restore American borders and criticized similar efforts by European nations to reclaim their sovereignty. Under Francis, the Church’s advocacy of open borders helped dismantle Western Christendom by encouraging the mass migration of Muslims into Europe. Many of these migrants view their secularized Christian hosts with contempt. European leaders, meanwhile, steeped in guilt and detached from the virtues of their own civilization, capitulated. The result: rape, murder, and a continent sinking into self-loathing. Only a radical reformation can pull Europe back from the brink.
I have to say, I don't have that much faith in the new Pope to do what needs to be done, just like I don't think he will do much to quell the old scandals of child abuse within the church.
More than likely, he just wants to smooth as many things over as possible and resume the status quo.
After all, courage is a rare thing, especially when it comes to wealthy and powerful political figures.

Blaze.com? Paywall. Need a new link. No clue why the title thinks politics is haunting the Catholic church?

It is not.

 

[Votto]

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Where did you get any context for the photo you posted?

The nazis killed a LOT of Catholic priests. Saint Maximilian Kolbe is the best known of them.

Maximilian Kolbe - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/gallery/german-churches-and-the-nazi-state-photographs

 

[kyzr]

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/gallery/german-churches-and-the-nazi-state-photographs

So some priests made a nazi salute.
You can see they are not happy about it.
They probably thought that people need live priests. I'm not judging.

 

[White 6]

New pope, old problem: Will Leo XIV resist tyranny? | Blaze Media

If the new pontiff wants to restore trust in the Catholic Church, he must renounce the secret agreement with China and embrace the persecuted faithful.

www.theblaze.com

Catholics have a new pope: Leo XIV. Most of the cardinals who elected him were appointed by Pope Francis, and at first glance, the new pontiff appears to share much with his predecessor. But it’s early yet. Catholics should pray that Leo charts a very different course. The reason is simple: The Catholic Church finds itself locked in a battle against three hostile ideologies — globalism, Islam, and communism. And right now, it’s losing on all fronts.

Pope Francis earned the nickname the "People’s Pope,” a title meant to suggest he championed ordinary Catholics. In truth, he aligned more closely with the globalist left. He openly opposed President Trump’s push to restore American borders and criticized similar efforts by European nations to reclaim their sovereignty. Under Francis, the Church’s advocacy of open borders helped dismantle Western Christendom by encouraging the mass migration of Muslims into Europe. Many of these migrants view their secularized Christian hosts with contempt. European leaders, meanwhile, steeped in guilt and detached from the virtues of their own civilization, capitulated. The result: rape, murder, and a continent sinking into self-loathing. Only a radical reformation can pull Europe back from the brink.

I have to say, I don't have that much faith in the new Pope to do what needs to be done, just like I don't think he will do much to quell the old scandals of child abuse within the church.

More than likely, he just wants to smooth as many things over as possible and resume the status quo.

After all, courage is a rare thing, especially when it comes to wealthy and powerful political figures.

I am not Catholic. I do not care. Seems like a decent man, in general.

 

[martybegan]

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Where did you get any context for the photo you posted?

The nazis killed a LOT of Catholic priests. Saint Maximilian Kolbe is the best known of them.

Maximilian Kolbe - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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The Catholic Church fell for the bullshit the Nazis were selling, same as many other countries and organizations.

Reichskonkordat - Wikipedia

Nazi violations of the concordat commenced almost immediately after it was signed. The Nazis claimed jurisdiction over all collective and social activity, interfering with Catholic schooling, youth groups, workers' clubs and cultural societies.[81] Hitler had a "blatant disregard" for the concordat, wrote Paul O'Shea, and its signing was to him merely a first step in the "gradual suppression of the Catholic Church in Germany".[82] Anton Gill wrote that "with his usual irresistible, bullying technique, Hitler then proceeded to take a mile where he had been given an inch" and closed all Catholic institutions whose functions were not strictly religious:

 

[Votto]

Blaze.com? Paywall. Need a new link. No clue why the title thinks politics is haunting the Catholic church?

It is not.

This is the whole article

Catholics have a new pope: Leo XIV. Most of the cardinals who elected him were appointed by Pope Francis, and at first glance, the new pontiff appears to share much with his predecessor. But it’s early yet. Catholics should pray that Leo charts a very different course. The reason is simple: The Catholic Church finds itself locked in a battle against three hostile ideologies — globalism, Islam, and communism. And right now, it’s losing on all fronts.

Pope Francis earned the nickname the "People’s Pope,” a title meant to suggest he championed ordinary Catholics. In truth, he aligned more closely with the globalist left. He openly opposed President Trump’s push to restore American borders and criticized similar efforts by European nations to reclaim their sovereignty. Under Francis, the Church’s advocacy of open borders helped dismantle Western Christendom by encouraging the mass migration of Muslims into Europe. Many of these migrants view their secularized Christian hosts with contempt. European leaders, meanwhile, steeped in guilt and detached from the virtues of their own civilization, capitulated. The result: rape, murder, and a continent sinking into self-loathing. Only a radical reformation can pull Europe back from the brink.


Communism and Christianity cannot coexist. The new pope must say so — clearly, unambiguously, and without fear.

Francis also failed pastorally. Faced with the ongoing sexual abuse crisis that has haunted the Church for decades, he refused to lead with transparency or justice. When he became pope, he had the chance to hold predatory priests accountable for their demonic crimes and restore trust among the faithful. Instead, he did next to nothing. His silence signaled to the hierarchy that abuse could still be covered up, even tolerated. That betrayal deepened the wounds of a Church already in crisis and demoralized millions of believers.

Pope Leo XIV now has a moment to break with the past. He must act swiftly and decisively. The Church cannot afford another papacy of retreat and complicity.

A disgraceful bargain​

In December 2017, Pope Francis appeared on Italian television and publicly questioned the traditional wording of the Lord’s Prayer. The closing line — “And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil” (Matthew 6:13, Luke 11:4) — is a direct teaching from Christ. Francis asked, “What kind of Father would lead his children into temptation?”

That question revealed a deeper confusion. The line reflects not divine cruelty but the profound gift of human freedom. God grants mankind free will — the ability to choose between good and evil, between virtue and temptation. The Lord’s Prayer acknowledges that freedom and asks God to help us navigate it. Pope Francis, it seems, struggled to grasp this. His discomfort with the line suggests a broader discomfort with the idea that freedom comes with moral risk — and that risk, in turn, calls for responsibility, discipline, and faith.

At the same time, Francis sent disgraced pedophile Cardinal Theodore McCarrick to Beijing to negotiate a secret deal with the Chinese Communist Party. That deal handed partial control of the Church in China to the Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association, a CCP-run front established in 1957 to suppress Christianity and replace it with a state-approved imitation.

Religious freedom in communist China remains a fiction. Teaching the faith to children is effectively banned. The Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association exists not to protect believers but to pacify the Vatican and deceive the West. It offers a false promise of coexistence — as long as Catholicism conforms to state-imposed restrictions. Some call this process the “Sinicization” of the Church. A more accurate term would be its communization.

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Where did you get any context for the photo you posted?

The nazis killed a LOT of Catholic priests. Saint Maximilian Kolbe is the best known of them.

Maximilian Kolbe - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

I am not trying to say that the Catholic church approved of Hitler, as many did not.

My critique is that they did not publicly stand up to the Nazi regime because it would have meant the destruction of the Vatican and their treasure.

But imagine had they done just that?

What a powerful testimony to the world that would have been.

 

[Votto]

The Catholic Church fell for the bullshit the Nazis were selling, same as many other countries and organizations.

Reichskonkordat - Wikipedia

Corrupt powers routinely infiltrate all our institutions.

That is how they roll.

But Christ gave us warning after warning about the "world" systems because he knew just that.

 

[Votto]

I am not Catholic. I do not care. Seems like a decent man, in general.

And guess what, I don't care that you don't care.

How's that?

 

[martybegan]

Corrupt powers routinely infiltrate all our institutions.

That is how they roll.

But Christ gave us warning after warning about the "world" systems because he knew just that.

if one is Catholic, he also gave us John Paul II and his crusade against Communism.

 

[White 6]

And guess what, I don't care that you don't care.

How's that?

Are you a Catholic? If not, what business is it of yours?