Police: Man killed in home by Aurora PD Monday morning had fatally shot intruder minutes earlier

[martybegan]

Wow, you just keep digging yourself a hole. so you are saying that gun control doesn't work when people decide they don't want to follow the law?

Gun control needs a police force capable of enforcing the laws, yes. Mexico does not have that. Japan does.

What Japan has is a criminal class that does not want to use guns in confrontations with the police. They avoid the police.

There is little demand for guns in Japan. it's a cultural thing, not a law thing. The Yakuza could easily get firearms and use them if it saw fit, regardless of the laws.

Yes, little demand by criminals because there is low gun ownership with the lawful. Lots of lawful ownership guarantees lots of criminal ownership.

You have zero proof of either of your statements. You are assuming a causal link where there is none in both cases.

Every male Swiss citizen keeps an ACTUAL battle rifle in his house if he is part of the militia. how does that translate to Swiss criminal gun ownership?

You want to take up their gun laws then?

you want to allow every law abiding male to keep a full auto rifle in their house?

The point I am trying to make that you don't get is that culture plays far more of a role in violence in a society than access to guns.

 

[Brain357]

Gun control needs a police force capable of enforcing the laws, yes. Mexico does not have that. Japan does.

What Japan has is a criminal class that does not want to use guns in confrontations with the police. They avoid the police.

There is little demand for guns in Japan. it's a cultural thing, not a law thing. The Yakuza could easily get firearms and use them if it saw fit, regardless of the laws.

Yes, little demand by criminals because there is low gun ownership with the lawful. Lots of lawful ownership guarantees lots of criminal ownership.

You have zero proof of either of your statements. You are assuming a causal link where there is none in both cases.

Every male Swiss citizen keeps an ACTUAL battle rifle in his house if he is part of the militia. how does that translate to Swiss criminal gun ownership?

You want to take up their gun laws then?

you want to allow every law abiding male to keep a full auto rifle in their house?

The point I am trying to make that you don't get is that culture plays far more of a role in violence in a society than access to guns.

No, I am suggesting we could take up their gun laws, you clearly don't have them correct however.

 

[martybegan]

What Japan has is a criminal class that does not want to use guns in confrontations with the police. They avoid the police.

There is little demand for guns in Japan. it's a cultural thing, not a law thing. The Yakuza could easily get firearms and use them if it saw fit, regardless of the laws.

Yes, little demand by criminals because there is low gun ownership with the lawful. Lots of lawful ownership guarantees lots of criminal ownership.

You have zero proof of either of your statements. You are assuming a causal link where there is none in both cases.

Every male Swiss citizen keeps an ACTUAL battle rifle in his house if he is part of the militia. how does that translate to Swiss criminal gun ownership?

You want to take up their gun laws then?

you want to allow every law abiding male to keep a full auto rifle in their house?

The point I am trying to make that you don't get is that culture plays far more of a role in violence in a society than access to guns.

No, I am suggesting we could take up their gun laws, you clearly don't have them correct however.

No, we have our own gun laws. what you would need here is to basically turn everyone Swiss to get the results they have.

 

[Brain357]

Yes, little demand by criminals because there is low gun ownership with the lawful. Lots of lawful ownership guarantees lots of criminal ownership.

You have zero proof of either of your statements. You are assuming a causal link where there is none in both cases.

Every male Swiss citizen keeps an ACTUAL battle rifle in his house if he is part of the militia. how does that translate to Swiss criminal gun ownership?

You want to take up their gun laws then?

you want to allow every law abiding male to keep a full auto rifle in their house?

The point I am trying to make that you don't get is that culture plays far more of a role in violence in a society than access to guns.

No, I am suggesting we could take up their gun laws, you clearly don't have them correct however.

No, we have our own gun laws. what you would need here is to basically turn everyone Swiss to get the results they have.

They have much stronger gun laws and clearly you are confused.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Wow, you just keep digging yourself a hole. so you are saying that gun control doesn't work when people decide they don't want to follow the law?

Gun control needs a police force capable of enforcing the laws, yes. Mexico does not have that. Japan does.

What Japan has is a criminal class that does not want to use guns in confrontations with the police. They avoid the police.

There is little demand for guns in Japan. it's a cultural thing, not a law thing. The Yakuza could easily get firearms and use them if it saw fit, regardless of the laws.

Yes, little demand by criminals because there is low gun ownership with the lawful. Lots of lawful ownership guarantees lots of criminal ownership.

You have zero proof of either of your statements. You are assuming a causal link where there is none in both cases.

Every male Swiss citizen keeps an ACTUAL battle rifle in his house if he is part of the militia. how does that translate to Swiss criminal gun ownership?

The Truth About Guns in Switzerland - The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence

In Switzerland, all able-bodied men between the ages of 18 and 30 are conscripted for three months and issued either an assault rifle or a 9mm pistol (the automatic or rapid-fire function is removed from these firearms so they fire only in semiautomatic mode) after completing basic military training. These firearms are kept in the home and are to be used only for military purposes, not for sports shooting or personal defense. After initial training, members of the militia are required to do three or four weeks of military service a year until they have served a total of 260 days or reached age 34. Additionally, a law enacted in 2008 requires all army ammunition issued to militia members to be stored in a central arsenal. This citizen €™s militia complements a small number of full-time military personnel to constitute Switzerland €™s army.

Many Swiss men buy their service firearms after they finish military service. Since January 2010, however, they are required to obtain a permit to do so, and must provide some justification for keeping the gun.

[Editor €™s note: Swiss women may volunteer to serve in the armed forces and can now join all units, including combat troops. Currently 1,050 women are active-duty members of the Swiss military.]

Laws governing the private ownership of firearms are equally strict. In 1999, a federal law on arms, arms accessories, and ammunition (the Arms Act) came into effect. The Arms Act requires a permit for each transaction involving firearms or relevant parts of firearms purchased from an authorized dealer’s shop. Permits for purchasing firearms are issued by the cantons. Buyers are carefully screened and have to meet a number of requirements (i.e., minimum 18 years of age, absence of any apparent risk to the buyer or third persons, no entry in the Register of Convictions for violent crimes and/or misdemeanors, etc.). Subsequent transfers of firearms among private individuals have to be documented through a written contract, which must be kept for at least ten years. Additionally, several cantons require citizens to register firearms.

Any person wishing to carry a gun in public must obtain a separate, special permit from their canton. The screening process is essentially the same as for the purchase of firearms. In addition, applicants must demonstrate a legitimate need to protect themselves, other persons, or goods against specificrisks. Applicants must further pass two tests, one on the correct handling of firearms and one on legislation concerning the use of firearms. Permits are valid for five years. Certain exceptions to these rules are made for hunters, those performing military service, and those participating in shooting events.

In Switzerland, all able-bodied men between the ages of 18 and 30 are conscripted for three months and issued either an assault rifle or a 9mm pistol

So what’s the homicide rate in Switzerland?

 

[toobfreak]

And you have been beaten on this one over and over.

The man attacked from an ambush with surprise..... he was quickly cornered and contained...

What you don't want to talk about is that there were dozens of armed citizens in that march. Many had AR-15 rifles on their shoulders during that march and when the attack happened, the police did not shoot them, they did not shoot the police, the armed citizens moved out of the way and let the Black Lives Matter shooter be dealt with by the police..

So you just negated your original post..... a mass public shooting, with dozens of armed citizens, many with AR-15 rifles, and no law abiding gun owner was shot by mistake.....

He killed 5 armed officers and injured 9 other armed officers. Yes the victims were all very ARMED.

And all the open carry guys at that march ran screaming like little girls.

Wow...the stupid is strong with you...... those armed citizens showed that you guys don't know what you are talking about...they did not react the way you said they would react, taking the law in their own hands, getting in the way, getting shot by police, shooting police...

They saw the attack, and got out of the way and let the police do their jobs.... they did exactly as we keep telling you they would do..... and you now have to try to spin it to keep your lie going.

WASTED BREATH, 2a. People who are anti-gun are so mainly for one reason: guns SCARE THEM because they know they'd be dangerous in THEIR hands.

Some people are smart enough to see all the problems due to having too many guns. They are many.

WHO GETS TO DECIDE HOW MANY ARE JUST ENOUGH?

 

[martybegan]

You have zero proof of either of your statements. You are assuming a causal link where there is none in both cases.

Every male Swiss citizen keeps an ACTUAL battle rifle in his house if he is part of the militia. how does that translate to Swiss criminal gun ownership?

You want to take up their gun laws then?

you want to allow every law abiding male to keep a full auto rifle in their house?

The point I am trying to make that you don't get is that culture plays far more of a role in violence in a society than access to guns.

No, I am suggesting we could take up their gun laws, you clearly don't have them correct however.

No, we have our own gun laws. what you would need here is to basically turn everyone Swiss to get the results they have.

They have much stronger gun laws and clearly you are confused.

What they have is a homogonistic society that cannot be compared to ours.

You are trying to compare apples and engines.

 

[Brain357]

You want to take up their gun laws then?

you want to allow every law abiding male to keep a full auto rifle in their house?

The point I am trying to make that you don't get is that culture plays far more of a role in violence in a society than access to guns.

No, I am suggesting we could take up their gun laws, you clearly don't have them correct however.

No, we have our own gun laws. what you would need here is to basically turn everyone Swiss to get the results they have.

They have much stronger gun laws and clearly you are confused.

What they have is a homogonistic society that cannot be compared to ours.

You are trying to compare apples and engines.

You started the comparison actually. Seems when the facts are taken into account you are forced to back away. Typical gun nut.

 

[Brain357]

Gun control needs a police force capable of enforcing the laws, yes. Mexico does not have that. Japan does.

What Japan has is a criminal class that does not want to use guns in confrontations with the police. They avoid the police.

There is little demand for guns in Japan. it's a cultural thing, not a law thing. The Yakuza could easily get firearms and use them if it saw fit, regardless of the laws.

Yes, little demand by criminals because there is low gun ownership with the lawful. Lots of lawful ownership guarantees lots of criminal ownership.

You have zero proof of either of your statements. You are assuming a causal link where there is none in both cases.

Every male Swiss citizen keeps an ACTUAL battle rifle in his house if he is part of the militia. how does that translate to Swiss criminal gun ownership?

The Truth About Guns in Switzerland - The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence

In Switzerland, all able-bodied men between the ages of 18 and 30 are conscripted for three months and issued either an assault rifle or a 9mm pistol (the automatic or rapid-fire function is removed from these firearms so they fire only in semiautomatic mode) after completing basic military training. These firearms are kept in the home and are to be used only for military purposes, not for sports shooting or personal defense. After initial training, members of the militia are required to do three or four weeks of military service a year until they have served a total of 260 days or reached age 34. Additionally, a law enacted in 2008 requires all army ammunition issued to militia members to be stored in a central arsenal. This citizen €™s militia complements a small number of full-time military personnel to constitute Switzerland €™s army.

Many Swiss men buy their service firearms after they finish military service. Since January 2010, however, they are required to obtain a permit to do so, and must provide some justification for keeping the gun.

[Editor €™s note: Swiss women may volunteer to serve in the armed forces and can now join all units, including combat troops. Currently 1,050 women are active-duty members of the Swiss military.]

Laws governing the private ownership of firearms are equally strict. In 1999, a federal law on arms, arms accessories, and ammunition (the Arms Act) came into effect. The Arms Act requires a permit for each transaction involving firearms or relevant parts of firearms purchased from an authorized dealer’s shop. Permits for purchasing firearms are issued by the cantons. Buyers are carefully screened and have to meet a number of requirements (i.e., minimum 18 years of age, absence of any apparent risk to the buyer or third persons, no entry in the Register of Convictions for violent crimes and/or misdemeanors, etc.). Subsequent transfers of firearms among private individuals have to be documented through a written contract, which must be kept for at least ten years. Additionally, several cantons require citizens to register firearms.

Any person wishing to carry a gun in public must obtain a separate, special permit from their canton. The screening process is essentially the same as for the purchase of firearms. In addition, applicants must demonstrate a legitimate need to protect themselves, other persons, or goods against specificrisks. Applicants must further pass two tests, one on the correct handling of firearms and one on legislation concerning the use of firearms. Permits are valid for five years. Certain exceptions to these rules are made for hunters, those performing military service, and those participating in shooting events.

In Switzerland, all able-bodied men between the ages of 18 and 30 are conscripted for three months and issued either an assault rifle or a 9mm pistol

So what’s the homicide rate in Switzerland?

Should we take up their gun laws?

 

[2aguy]

Wow, you just keep digging yourself a hole. so you are saying that gun control doesn't work when people decide they don't want to follow the law?

Gun control needs a police force capable of enforcing the laws, yes. Mexico does not have that. Japan does.

What Japan has is a criminal class that does not want to use guns in confrontations with the police. They avoid the police.

There is little demand for guns in Japan. it's a cultural thing, not a law thing. The Yakuza could easily get firearms and use them if it saw fit, regardless of the laws.

Yes, little demand by criminals because there is low gun ownership with the lawful. Lots of lawful ownership guarantees lots of criminal ownership.

And Switzerland everyone under 65 has a fully automatic weapon at home.

Should we take up their gun laws then?

We need to allow people to own actual military weapons yes. Other aspects of their laws don't do anything for crime or mass shootings so no on the other parts.

 

[2aguy]

Wow, you just keep digging yourself a hole. so you are saying that gun control doesn't work when people decide they don't want to follow the law?

Gun control needs a police force capable of enforcing the laws, yes. Mexico does not have that. Japan does.

What Japan has is a criminal class that does not want to use guns in confrontations with the police. They avoid the police.

There is little demand for guns in Japan. it's a cultural thing, not a law thing. The Yakuza could easily get firearms and use them if it saw fit, regardless of the laws.

Yes, little demand by criminals because there is low gun ownership with the lawful. Lots of lawful ownership guarantees lots of criminal ownership.

You have zero proof of either of your statements. You are assuming a causal link where there is none in both cases.

Every male Swiss citizen keeps an ACTUAL battle rifle in his house if he is part of the militia. how does that translate to Swiss criminal gun ownership?

The Truth About Guns in Switzerland - The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence

In Switzerland, all able-bodied men between the ages of 18 and 30 are conscripted for three months and issued either an assault rifle or a 9mm pistol (the automatic or rapid-fire function is removed from these firearms so they fire only in semiautomatic mode) after completing basic military training. These firearms are kept in the home and are to be used only for military purposes, not for sports shooting or personal defense. After initial training, members of the militia are required to do three or four weeks of military service a year until they have served a total of 260 days or reached age 34. Additionally, a law enacted in 2008 requires all army ammunition issued to militia members to be stored in a central arsenal. This citizen €™s militia complements a small number of full-time military personnel to constitute Switzerland €™s army.

Many Swiss men buy their service firearms after they finish military service. Since January 2010, however, they are required to obtain a permit to do so, and must provide some justification for keeping the gun.

[Editor €™s note: Swiss women may volunteer to serve in the armed forces and can now join all units, including combat troops. Currently 1,050 women are active-duty members of the Swiss military.]

Laws governing the private ownership of firearms are equally strict. In 1999, a federal law on arms, arms accessories, and ammunition (the Arms Act) came into effect. The Arms Act requires a permit for each transaction involving firearms or relevant parts of firearms purchased from an authorized dealer’s shop. Permits for purchasing firearms are issued by the cantons. Buyers are carefully screened and have to meet a number of requirements (i.e., minimum 18 years of age, absence of any apparent risk to the buyer or third persons, no entry in the Register of Convictions for violent crimes and/or misdemeanors, etc.). Subsequent transfers of firearms among private individuals have to be documented through a written contract, which must be kept for at least ten years. Additionally, several cantons require citizens to register firearms.

Any person wishing to carry a gun in public must obtain a separate, special permit from their canton. The screening process is essentially the same as for the purchase of firearms. In addition, applicants must demonstrate a legitimate need to protect themselves, other persons, or goods against specificrisks. Applicants must further pass two tests, one on the correct handling of firearms and one on legislation concerning the use of firearms. Permits are valid for five years. Certain exceptions to these rules are made for hunters, those performing military service, and those participating in shooting events.

And none of those laws keep criminals in Switzerland from getting guns. None of those laws prevent their citizens from taking their legal guns into a public place and shooting people.

We do not allow criminals to buy, own or carry guns. Our criminals get guns. Britain banned and confiscated guns...their criminals get guns.

Criminals in Switzerland will not go through their application process....the only ones who will are the ones who wouldn't use their guns illegally without those laws.

You are still stuck on stupid.

 

[Brain357]

Gun control needs a police force capable of enforcing the laws, yes. Mexico does not have that. Japan does.

What Japan has is a criminal class that does not want to use guns in confrontations with the police. They avoid the police.

There is little demand for guns in Japan. it's a cultural thing, not a law thing. The Yakuza could easily get firearms and use them if it saw fit, regardless of the laws.

Yes, little demand by criminals because there is low gun ownership with the lawful. Lots of lawful ownership guarantees lots of criminal ownership.

And Switzerland everyone under 65 has a fully automatic weapon at home.

Should we take up their gun laws then?

We need to allow people to own actual military weapons yes. Other aspects of their laws don't do anything for crime or mass shootings so no on the other parts.

So you want more guns and less of the parts that actually stop killing. I can't say I"m surprised, you love death.

 

[2aguy]

More lives would have been saved if all he had was a derringer obviously.

Our homicide rates is 4-5X that of countries with strong gun control.

London's murder rate surpasses New York's for 1st time ever

Yes NYC has very strong gun control. Our murder rate would go down if the country had the same laws as NYC.

UK has one of the strictest gun control laws in the world.

Gun control and ownership laws

Canada has all the gun control that our gun grabbers want...and their gun crime rate is going up too....thanks to immigration.

Homicide rates:
US: 5.35
Canada: 1.68

Yes....so? Again....they have a rising gun crime rate...which means more criminals in Canada have guns. They don't have criminals who are willing to use those guns to murder victims...yet.

You desparately need to hide gun crime rates going up with gun murder rates.....hiding the fact that their gun control laws are not keeping guns out of the hands of their criminals.

 

[Brain357]

Gun control needs a police force capable of enforcing the laws, yes. Mexico does not have that. Japan does.

What Japan has is a criminal class that does not want to use guns in confrontations with the police. They avoid the police.

There is little demand for guns in Japan. it's a cultural thing, not a law thing. The Yakuza could easily get firearms and use them if it saw fit, regardless of the laws.

Yes, little demand by criminals because there is low gun ownership with the lawful. Lots of lawful ownership guarantees lots of criminal ownership.

You have zero proof of either of your statements. You are assuming a causal link where there is none in both cases.

Every male Swiss citizen keeps an ACTUAL battle rifle in his house if he is part of the militia. how does that translate to Swiss criminal gun ownership?

The Truth About Guns in Switzerland - The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence

In Switzerland, all able-bodied men between the ages of 18 and 30 are conscripted for three months and issued either an assault rifle or a 9mm pistol (the automatic or rapid-fire function is removed from these firearms so they fire only in semiautomatic mode) after completing basic military training. These firearms are kept in the home and are to be used only for military purposes, not for sports shooting or personal defense. After initial training, members of the militia are required to do three or four weeks of military service a year until they have served a total of 260 days or reached age 34. Additionally, a law enacted in 2008 requires all army ammunition issued to militia members to be stored in a central arsenal. This citizen €™s militia complements a small number of full-time military personnel to constitute Switzerland €™s army.

Many Swiss men buy their service firearms after they finish military service. Since January 2010, however, they are required to obtain a permit to do so, and must provide some justification for keeping the gun.

[Editor €™s note: Swiss women may volunteer to serve in the armed forces and can now join all units, including combat troops. Currently 1,050 women are active-duty members of the Swiss military.]

Laws governing the private ownership of firearms are equally strict. In 1999, a federal law on arms, arms accessories, and ammunition (the Arms Act) came into effect. The Arms Act requires a permit for each transaction involving firearms or relevant parts of firearms purchased from an authorized dealer’s shop. Permits for purchasing firearms are issued by the cantons. Buyers are carefully screened and have to meet a number of requirements (i.e., minimum 18 years of age, absence of any apparent risk to the buyer or third persons, no entry in the Register of Convictions for violent crimes and/or misdemeanors, etc.). Subsequent transfers of firearms among private individuals have to be documented through a written contract, which must be kept for at least ten years. Additionally, several cantons require citizens to register firearms.

Any person wishing to carry a gun in public must obtain a separate, special permit from their canton. The screening process is essentially the same as for the purchase of firearms. In addition, applicants must demonstrate a legitimate need to protect themselves, other persons, or goods against specificrisks. Applicants must further pass two tests, one on the correct handling of firearms and one on legislation concerning the use of firearms. Permits are valid for five years. Certain exceptions to these rules are made for hunters, those performing military service, and those participating in shooting events.

And none of those laws keep criminals in Switzerland from getting guns. None of those laws prevent their citizens from taking their legal guns into a public place and shooting people.

We do not allow criminals to buy, own or carry guns. Our criminals get guns. Britain banned and confiscated guns...their criminals get guns.

Criminals in Switzerland will not go through their application process....the only ones who will are the ones who wouldn't use their guns illegally without those laws.

You are still stuck on stupid.

They seem to work.

 

[2aguy]

What Japan has is a criminal class that does not want to use guns in confrontations with the police. They avoid the police.

There is little demand for guns in Japan. it's a cultural thing, not a law thing. The Yakuza could easily get firearms and use them if it saw fit, regardless of the laws.

Yes, little demand by criminals because there is low gun ownership with the lawful. Lots of lawful ownership guarantees lots of criminal ownership.

And Switzerland everyone under 65 has a fully automatic weapon at home.

Should we take up their gun laws then?

We need to allow people to own actual military weapons yes. Other aspects of their laws don't do anything for crime or mass shootings so no on the other parts.

So you want more guns and less of the parts that actually stop killing. I can't say I"m surprised, you love death.

More Americans have and carry guns, fewer gun murders....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[Brain357]

London's murder rate surpasses New York's for 1st time ever

Yes NYC has very strong gun control. Our murder rate would go down if the country had the same laws as NYC.

UK has one of the strictest gun control laws in the world.

Gun control and ownership laws

Canada has all the gun control that our gun grabbers want...and their gun crime rate is going up too....thanks to immigration.

Homicide rates:
US: 5.35
Canada: 1.68

Yes....so? Again....they have a rising gun crime rate...which means more criminals in Canada have guns. They don't have criminals who are willing to use those guns to murder victims...yet.

You desparately need to hide gun crime rates going up with gun murder rates.....hiding the fact that their gun control laws are not keeping guns out of the hands of their criminals.

They have stricter laws and a much lower homicide rate. Violent crime has increased here with more carry.

 

[2aguy]

What Japan has is a criminal class that does not want to use guns in confrontations with the police. They avoid the police.

There is little demand for guns in Japan. it's a cultural thing, not a law thing. The Yakuza could easily get firearms and use them if it saw fit, regardless of the laws.

Yes, little demand by criminals because there is low gun ownership with the lawful. Lots of lawful ownership guarantees lots of criminal ownership.

You have zero proof of either of your statements. You are assuming a causal link where there is none in both cases.

Every male Swiss citizen keeps an ACTUAL battle rifle in his house if he is part of the militia. how does that translate to Swiss criminal gun ownership?

The Truth About Guns in Switzerland - The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence

In Switzerland, all able-bodied men between the ages of 18 and 30 are conscripted for three months and issued either an assault rifle or a 9mm pistol (the automatic or rapid-fire function is removed from these firearms so they fire only in semiautomatic mode) after completing basic military training. These firearms are kept in the home and are to be used only for military purposes, not for sports shooting or personal defense. After initial training, members of the militia are required to do three or four weeks of military service a year until they have served a total of 260 days or reached age 34. Additionally, a law enacted in 2008 requires all army ammunition issued to militia members to be stored in a central arsenal. This citizen €™s militia complements a small number of full-time military personnel to constitute Switzerland €™s army.

Many Swiss men buy their service firearms after they finish military service. Since January 2010, however, they are required to obtain a permit to do so, and must provide some justification for keeping the gun.

[Editor €™s note: Swiss women may volunteer to serve in the armed forces and can now join all units, including combat troops. Currently 1,050 women are active-duty members of the Swiss military.]

Laws governing the private ownership of firearms are equally strict. In 1999, a federal law on arms, arms accessories, and ammunition (the Arms Act) came into effect. The Arms Act requires a permit for each transaction involving firearms or relevant parts of firearms purchased from an authorized dealer’s shop. Permits for purchasing firearms are issued by the cantons. Buyers are carefully screened and have to meet a number of requirements (i.e., minimum 18 years of age, absence of any apparent risk to the buyer or third persons, no entry in the Register of Convictions for violent crimes and/or misdemeanors, etc.). Subsequent transfers of firearms among private individuals have to be documented through a written contract, which must be kept for at least ten years. Additionally, several cantons require citizens to register firearms.

Any person wishing to carry a gun in public must obtain a separate, special permit from their canton. The screening process is essentially the same as for the purchase of firearms. In addition, applicants must demonstrate a legitimate need to protect themselves, other persons, or goods against specificrisks. Applicants must further pass two tests, one on the correct handling of firearms and one on legislation concerning the use of firearms. Permits are valid for five years. Certain exceptions to these rules are made for hunters, those performing military service, and those participating in shooting events.

And none of those laws keep criminals in Switzerland from getting guns. None of those laws prevent their citizens from taking their legal guns into a public place and shooting people.

We do not allow criminals to buy, own or carry guns. Our criminals get guns. Britain banned and confiscated guns...their criminals get guns.

Criminals in Switzerland will not go through their application process....the only ones who will are the ones who wouldn't use their guns illegally without those laws.

You are still stuck on stupid.

They seem to work.

And there is not one gun law in those countries that keeps guns out of the hands of their criminals.....

Here...so simple even you might be able to get it.

Their criminals have guns.

Their criminals point those guns at victims.

Their criminals do not pull the trigger and murder their victims.

Where in that process did their gun control laws stop the criminal from getting that gun?

 

[Brain357]

Yes, little demand by criminals because there is low gun ownership with the lawful. Lots of lawful ownership guarantees lots of criminal ownership.

And Switzerland everyone under 65 has a fully automatic weapon at home.

Should we take up their gun laws then?

We need to allow people to own actual military weapons yes. Other aspects of their laws don't do anything for crime or mass shootings so no on the other parts.

So you want more guns and less of the parts that actually stop killing. I can't say I"m surprised, you love death.

More Americans have and carry guns, fewer gun murders....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

1993 we got background checks. Thank you gun control!

 

[2aguy]

Yes NYC has very strong gun control. Our murder rate would go down if the country had the same laws as NYC.

UK has one of the strictest gun control laws in the world.

Gun control and ownership laws

Canada has all the gun control that our gun grabbers want...and their gun crime rate is going up too....thanks to immigration.

Homicide rates:
US: 5.35
Canada: 1.68

Yes....so? Again....they have a rising gun crime rate...which means more criminals in Canada have guns. They don't have criminals who are willing to use those guns to murder victims...yet.

You desparately need to hide gun crime rates going up with gun murder rates.....hiding the fact that their gun control laws are not keeping guns out of the hands of their criminals.

They have stricter laws and a much lower homicide rate. Violent crime has increased here with more carry.

Troll, trolling...always.

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

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Yes, little demand by criminals because there is low gun ownership with the lawful. Lots of lawful ownership guarantees lots of criminal ownership.

You have zero proof of either of your statements. You are assuming a causal link where there is none in both cases.

Every male Swiss citizen keeps an ACTUAL battle rifle in his house if he is part of the militia. how does that translate to Swiss criminal gun ownership?

The Truth About Guns in Switzerland - The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence

In Switzerland, all able-bodied men between the ages of 18 and 30 are conscripted for three months and issued either an assault rifle or a 9mm pistol (the automatic or rapid-fire function is removed from these firearms so they fire only in semiautomatic mode) after completing basic military training. These firearms are kept in the home and are to be used only for military purposes, not for sports shooting or personal defense. After initial training, members of the militia are required to do three or four weeks of military service a year until they have served a total of 260 days or reached age 34. Additionally, a law enacted in 2008 requires all army ammunition issued to militia members to be stored in a central arsenal. This citizen €™s militia complements a small number of full-time military personnel to constitute Switzerland €™s army.

Many Swiss men buy their service firearms after they finish military service. Since January 2010, however, they are required to obtain a permit to do so, and must provide some justification for keeping the gun.

[Editor €™s note: Swiss women may volunteer to serve in the armed forces and can now join all units, including combat troops. Currently 1,050 women are active-duty members of the Swiss military.]

Laws governing the private ownership of firearms are equally strict. In 1999, a federal law on arms, arms accessories, and ammunition (the Arms Act) came into effect. The Arms Act requires a permit for each transaction involving firearms or relevant parts of firearms purchased from an authorized dealer’s shop. Permits for purchasing firearms are issued by the cantons. Buyers are carefully screened and have to meet a number of requirements (i.e., minimum 18 years of age, absence of any apparent risk to the buyer or third persons, no entry in the Register of Convictions for violent crimes and/or misdemeanors, etc.). Subsequent transfers of firearms among private individuals have to be documented through a written contract, which must be kept for at least ten years. Additionally, several cantons require citizens to register firearms.

Any person wishing to carry a gun in public must obtain a separate, special permit from their canton. The screening process is essentially the same as for the purchase of firearms. In addition, applicants must demonstrate a legitimate need to protect themselves, other persons, or goods against specificrisks. Applicants must further pass two tests, one on the correct handling of firearms and one on legislation concerning the use of firearms. Permits are valid for five years. Certain exceptions to these rules are made for hunters, those performing military service, and those participating in shooting events.

And none of those laws keep criminals in Switzerland from getting guns. None of those laws prevent their citizens from taking their legal guns into a public place and shooting people.

We do not allow criminals to buy, own or carry guns. Our criminals get guns. Britain banned and confiscated guns...their criminals get guns.

Criminals in Switzerland will not go through their application process....the only ones who will are the ones who wouldn't use their guns illegally without those laws.

You are still stuck on stupid.

They seem to work.

And there is not one gun law in those countries that keeps guns out of the hands of their criminals.....

Here...so simple even you might be able to get it.

Their criminals have guns.

Their criminals point those guns at victims.

Their criminals do not pull the trigger and murder their victims.

Where in that process did their gun control laws stop the criminal from getting that gun?

Actually they obviously do keep guns out of the hands of criminals. The facts don't lie, like you.