Police: Man killed in home by Aurora PD Monday morning had fatally shot intruder minutes earlier

[Brain357]

He killed 5 armed officers and injured 9 other armed officers. Yes the victims were all very ARMED.

Versus the 59 dead 859 injured unarmed people in Vegas.

You lose again.

There were plenty of armed people there including law enforcement, they just couldn't do anything about it. The shooter had too much firepower.

Moron..... now you are just devolving into your usual Troll state. The shooter shot from a concealed and fortified position...into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people who initially had no idea they were under attack...... The police stacked up outside the door and didn't go in...another failure of your god, "Government."

And since the shooter had so much firepower, so many died and were injured.

No.... he had a tactical advantage and surprise against unarmed, tightly packed victims....

And if he had a derringer, few would have died. But since he had so much firepower, many died and hundreds were injured.

 

[2aguy]

Here...the CDC studied gun self defense 3 years in a row........

SSRN Electronic Library

The timing of CDC’s addition of a DGU question to the BRFSS is of some interest. Prior to 1996, the BRFSS had never included a question about DGU. Kleck and Gertz (1995) conducted their survey in February through April 1993, presented their estimate that there were over 2 million DGUs in 1992 at the annual meetings of the American Society of Criminology in November 1994, and published it in the Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology in the Fall of 1995. CDC added a DGU question to the BRFSS the very first year they could do so after that 1995 publication, in the 1996 edition. CDC was not the only federal agency during the Clinton administration to field a survey addressing the prevalence of DGU at that particular time. The National Institute of Justice (NIJ) financed a national survey devoting even more detailed attention to estimating DGU prevalence, which was fielded in November and December 1994, just months after preliminary results of the 1993 Kleck/Gertz survey became known. Neither CDC nor NIJ had ever financed research into DGU before 1996. Perhaps there was just “something in the air” that motivated the two agencies to suddenly decide in 1994 to address the topic. Another interpretation, however, is that fielding of the surveys was triggered by the Kleck/Gertz findings that DGU was common, and that these agencies hoped to obtain lower DGU prevalence estimates than those obtained by Kleck/Gertz. Low estimates would have implied fewer beneficial uses of firearms, results that would have been far more congenial to the strongly pro-control positions of the Clinton administration.

CDC, in Surveys It Never Bothered Making Public, Provides More Evidence That Plenty of Americans Innocently Defend Themselves with Guns



Kleck's new paper—"What Do CDC's Surveys Say About the Frequency of Defensive Gun Uses?"—finds that the agency had asked about DGUs in its Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System in 1996, 1997, and 1998.

Those polls, Kleck writes,

are high-quality telephone surveys of enormous probability samples of U.S. adults, asking about a wide range of health-related topics. Those that addressed DGU asked more people about this topic than any other surveys conducted before or since. For example, the 1996 survey asked the DGU question of 5,484 people. The next-largest number questioned about DGU was 4,977 by Kleck and Gertz (1995), and sample sizes were much smaller in all the rest of surveys on the topic (Kleck 2001).

Kleck was impressed with how well the survey worded its question: "During the last 12 months, have you confronted another person with a firearm, even if you did not fire it, to protect yourself, your property, or someone else?" Respondents were told to leave out incidents from occupations, like policing, where using firearms is part of the job. Kleck is impressed with how the question excludes animals but includes DGUs outside the home as well as within it.

Kleck is less impressed with the fact that the question was only asked of people who admitted to owning guns in their home earlier in the survey, and that they asked no follow-up questions regarding the specific nature of the DGU incident.

From Kleck's own surveys, he found that only 79 percent of those who reported a DGU "had also reported a gun in their household at the time of the interview," so he thinks whatever numbers the CDC found need to be revised upward to account for that. (Kleck speculates that CDC showed a sudden interest in the question of DGUs starting in 1996 because Kleck's own famous/notorious survey had been published in 1995.)

At any rate, Kleck downloaded the datasets for those three years and found that the "weighted percent who reported a DGU...was 1.3% in 1996, 0.9% in 1997, 1.0% in 1998, and 1.07% in all three surveys combined."





Kleck figures if you do the adjustment upward he thinks necessary for those who had DGU incidents without personally owning a gun in the home at the time of the survey, and then the adjustment downward he thinks necessary because CDC didn't do detailed follow-ups to confirm the nature of the incident, you get 1.24 percent, a close match to his own 1.326 percent figure.

He concludes that the small difference between his estimate and the CDC's "can be attributed to declining rates of violent crime, which accounts for most DGUs. With fewer occasions for self-defense in the form of violent victimizations, one would expect fewer DGUs."

Kleck further details how much these CDC surveys confirmed his own controversial work:

The final adjusted prevalence of 1.24% therefore implies that in an average year during 1996–1998, 2.46 million U.S. adults used a gun for self-defense.



This estimate, based on an enormous sample of 12,870 cases (unweighted) in a nationally representative sample, strongly confirms the 2.5 million past-12-months estimate obtained Kleck and Gertz (1995)....CDC's results, then, imply that guns were used defensively by victims about 3.6 times as often as they were used offensively by criminals.

Kleck did the study, and he did the numbers wrong again. So no, the CDC did not do a study. If you are posting, you are lying. Sad.

Moron.....the CDC did the research 3 years in a row, Kleck analyzed the research since the CDC hid it. The CDC got caught hiding it's research and Kleck exposed them...I know, that hurts your anti gun lies...but you can't defeat the truth.

The CDC did a survey, they did not do a study on the survey in regards to DGU, you are lying again. Kleck tried to study it and messed up the number again.

Moron..... they asked people in their survey if they used guns for self defense......3 years in a row, you dumb ass...

That is a survey, not a study. And since kleck messed up his study, clearly it's not so easy to study.

Kleck didn't mess up his study, in fact the Department of Justice did their study to refute his study and came up with 1.5 million defensive gun uses...... and they were then sent to study guns in antarctica....

 

[Brain357]

How else will you look at it if not compared to other countries? A week rarely goes by without law enforcement shot and killed. These events are rare in countries with strong gun control.

You said cops here are "often" shot, and that is clearly a lie. Again, plenty of police officers go through their entire careers without being shot at once.

Yes, often relative to other countries. What happens here weekly, is really rare in countries with strong gun control. Just like our police shoot a lot more people.
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015

German criminals don't shoot at police....our criminals do....German criminals have lots of guns, they just don't cross the line and murder police officers.

Perhaps you could teach an ethics class to our inner city criminals to teach them to not murder cops?

Yes, we have too many guns.

No... we have democrats like you who keep letting violent, repeat gun offenders out of prison.... if you morons would stop doing that, they wouldn't be murdering people ....

We have the fullest jails in the world. FACT.

 

[2aguy]

Versus the 59 dead 859 injured unarmed people in Vegas.

You lose again.

There were plenty of armed people there including law enforcement, they just couldn't do anything about it. The shooter had too much firepower.

Moron..... now you are just devolving into your usual Troll state. The shooter shot from a concealed and fortified position...into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people who initially had no idea they were under attack...... The police stacked up outside the door and didn't go in...another failure of your god, "Government."

And since the shooter had so much firepower, so many died and were injured.

No.... he had a tactical advantage and surprise against unarmed, tightly packed victims....

And if he had a derringer, few would have died. But since he had so much firepower, many died and hundreds were injured.

And had the police entered the room more lives would have been saved.

And how many people die from mass shootings a year...about 75.

How many times are guns used to stop violent rapes, robberies and murders each year...2.4 million.

Which number is bigger?

 

[2aguy]

You said cops here are "often" shot, and that is clearly a lie. Again, plenty of police officers go through their entire careers without being shot at once.

Yes, often relative to other countries. What happens here weekly, is really rare in countries with strong gun control. Just like our police shoot a lot more people.
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015

German criminals don't shoot at police....our criminals do....German criminals have lots of guns, they just don't cross the line and murder police officers.

Perhaps you could teach an ethics class to our inner city criminals to teach them to not murder cops?

Yes, we have too many guns.

No... we have democrats like you who keep letting violent, repeat gun offenders out of prison.... if you morons would stop doing that, they wouldn't be murdering people ....

We have the fullest jails in the world. FACT.

So, when democrats let violent, repeat gun offenders out of those jails, they go on to murder people...the whole point is to keep them locked up, not just pass them through.....

 

[Brain357]

Kleck did the study, and he did the numbers wrong again. So no, the CDC did not do a study. If you are posting, you are lying. Sad.

Moron.....the CDC did the research 3 years in a row, Kleck analyzed the research since the CDC hid it. The CDC got caught hiding it's research and Kleck exposed them...I know, that hurts your anti gun lies...but you can't defeat the truth.

The CDC did a survey, they did not do a study on the survey in regards to DGU, you are lying again. Kleck tried to study it and messed up the number again.

Moron..... they asked people in their survey if they used guns for self defense......3 years in a row, you dumb ass...

That is a survey, not a study. And since kleck messed up his study, clearly it's not so easy to study.

Kleck didn't mess up his study, in fact the Department of Justice did their study to refute his study and came up with 1.5 million defensive gun uses...... and they were then sent to study guns in antarctica....

Yes he did mess up the study you were referencing. I am tired of your lies.

 

[Brain357]

There were plenty of armed people there including law enforcement, they just couldn't do anything about it. The shooter had too much firepower.

Moron..... now you are just devolving into your usual Troll state. The shooter shot from a concealed and fortified position...into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people who initially had no idea they were under attack...... The police stacked up outside the door and didn't go in...another failure of your god, "Government."

And since the shooter had so much firepower, so many died and were injured.

No.... he had a tactical advantage and surprise against unarmed, tightly packed victims....

And if he had a derringer, few would have died. But since he had so much firepower, many died and hundreds were injured.

And had the police entered the room more lives would have been saved.

And how many people die from mass shootings a year...about 75.

How many times are guns used to stop violent rapes, robberies and murders each year...2.4 million.

Which number is bigger?

More lives would have been saved if all he had was a derringer obviously.

Our homicide rates is 4-5X that of countries with strong gun control.

 

[2aguy]

Moron.....the CDC did the research 3 years in a row, Kleck analyzed the research since the CDC hid it. The CDC got caught hiding it's research and Kleck exposed them...I know, that hurts your anti gun lies...but you can't defeat the truth.

The CDC did a survey, they did not do a study on the survey in regards to DGU, you are lying again. Kleck tried to study it and messed up the number again.

Moron..... they asked people in their survey if they used guns for self defense......3 years in a row, you dumb ass...

That is a survey, not a study. And since kleck messed up his study, clearly it's not so easy to study.

Kleck didn't mess up his study, in fact the Department of Justice did their study to refute his study and came up with 1.5 million defensive gun uses...... and they were then sent to study guns in antarctica....

Yes he did mess up the study you were referencing. I am tired of your lies.

You are the one who keeps lying about Kleck, defensive gun use and crime..... if you stopped doing it, your life would improve.

 

[Weatherman2020]

There are 600 million guns in private hands. 17 million people carry guns for self defense.

According to the CDC 2.4 million times a year Americans use their guns to stop rape, robbery and murder.

According to the Department of Justice, they believe that number is 1.5 million times a year.

And you found one case where the confusion results in a death...

And you think that is an intelligent post?

One example of many. Please link the studies you claim exist.

If there is so much defending going on, why is our homicide rate 4-5X that of countries with strong gun control?

You mention Dallas...which is in Texas....where law abiding gun owners have lots of guns......

ICYMI: CNN Went Off On Texas' Open Carry Law During Their Dallas Shooting Coverage

Texas, especially Dallas, has seen their crime rates hit record lows. In Dallas, the murder rate fell to its lowest levels since the city started taking crime data in 1930. Overall, the Lone Star State, through criminal justice reform, has reduced crime levels to their lowest rates since 1968 (via Dallas Morning News):



Dallas’ 2014 murder rate was its lowest since 1930 — the year Bonnie and Clyde met at a West Dallas house party.


And the Dallas Police Department’s preliminary count of 116 murders last year — there is one unexplained death awaiting a ruling — would be the lowest yearly murder tally since 1965. It’s also a notable drop from the 143 murders in 2013 and it’s fewer than half the murders recorded in 2004.

Police officials say their crime-fighting and crime-prevention strategies have played a major role in reducing homicides, the rarest of major crimes. Others say outside variables — medical advancements, changing demographics and better social services — deserve much of the credit.

Even with this dreadful shooting in Dallas, the city has only seen one other shooting involving police officers, and that didn’t result in a fatality on either side. The crime rate in Texas is still dropping too (via Texas Tribune):



Urban crime rates are at historic lows across the country, and in Texas they are still dropping, according to an analysis of crime rates in the 30 largest U.S cities.


Between 2014 and 2015, the five largest cities in Texas saw an average drop of 6.5 percent in the overall crime rate per 100,000 residents, according to the analysis by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law. Among the nation’s top cities, crime rates remained stagnant during this time, dropping by only 0.1 percent.

With an almost 10 percent drop in its crime rate, Austin saw the sharpest decrease in Texas and the nation.

Murders up since 2015:
166 murders: The heartbreaking year that shattered these Dallas families

Yes.....we know, because President Obama and Black Lives Matter attacked our police on a national level.....that created the Ferguson Effect...... where the police stopped Pro active policing, and allowed gang members to do their business without interference....those murders are on you and obama...and Black Lives Matter...

Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

And more on the Ferguson effect...

Homicide Rate Is Rising? Do Tell!



While not trying to ascribe a cause, CNN does acknowledge that the uptick beginning in 2015 has been concentrated in a handful of cities.

Steve Sailer draws the obvious conclusion:

Hmmhmmmh … Chicago, Baltimore, and St. Louis … Weren’t those in the news? Something to do with Black Lives Matter?

The obvious cause for the increase in murders during the last years of the Obama administration was the Black Lives Matter movement, which was enthusiastically endorsed by the White House. It led to numerous unfair attacks on law enforcement, which in turn caused officers to police less aggressively. When police officers are afraid to do their jobs for fear of career-ending charges of racism, criminals prosper. Baltimore is the most notorious example, but the same phenomenon has happened in other cities where law enforcement has been besieged by the Left.

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Does that have anything to do with the recent spike in homicides? Were carry laws loosened in Chicago, Baltimore, Kansas City or St. Louis prior to the increase? Are the states where murders spiked after 2014 the ones where the law permitted residents to “carry a loaded concealed gun with you…with no license”?

No. What did change in the last years of the Obama administration? The obvious answer is, the Black Lives Matter movement and the associated attacks on law enforcement.

Yes, too many guns increases crime. Our police are often shot so they shoot a lot of people themselves. This leads to unrest and crime. Too many guns is the cause, these things don't happen where there is strong gun control.

Is that why Lonon has a higher murder rate than NYC, more guns?

 

[2aguy]

Moron..... now you are just devolving into your usual Troll state. The shooter shot from a concealed and fortified position...into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people who initially had no idea they were under attack...... The police stacked up outside the door and didn't go in...another failure of your god, "Government."

And since the shooter had so much firepower, so many died and were injured.

No.... he had a tactical advantage and surprise against unarmed, tightly packed victims....

And if he had a derringer, few would have died. But since he had so much firepower, many died and hundreds were injured.

And had the police entered the room more lives would have been saved.

And how many people die from mass shootings a year...about 75.

How many times are guns used to stop violent rapes, robberies and murders each year...2.4 million.

Which number is bigger?

More lives would have been saved if all he had was a derringer obviously.

Our homicide rates is 4-5X that of countries with strong gun control.

No.... the gun crime rates in Australia, Britain and Canada are going up.

Our gun crime rate is going down. Their gun control laws have nothing to do with their murder rates, since their criminals have more guns now than they did before the bans and confiscations, yet they are not using those guns to murder people.

 

[Brain357]

And what does all these guns get us?

 

[Brain357]

One example of many. Please link the studies you claim exist.

If there is so much defending going on, why is our homicide rate 4-5X that of countries with strong gun control?

You mention Dallas...which is in Texas....where law abiding gun owners have lots of guns......

ICYMI: CNN Went Off On Texas' Open Carry Law During Their Dallas Shooting Coverage

Texas, especially Dallas, has seen their crime rates hit record lows. In Dallas, the murder rate fell to its lowest levels since the city started taking crime data in 1930. Overall, the Lone Star State, through criminal justice reform, has reduced crime levels to their lowest rates since 1968 (via Dallas Morning News):



Dallas’ 2014 murder rate was its lowest since 1930 — the year Bonnie and Clyde met at a West Dallas house party.


And the Dallas Police Department’s preliminary count of 116 murders last year — there is one unexplained death awaiting a ruling — would be the lowest yearly murder tally since 1965. It’s also a notable drop from the 143 murders in 2013 and it’s fewer than half the murders recorded in 2004.

Police officials say their crime-fighting and crime-prevention strategies have played a major role in reducing homicides, the rarest of major crimes. Others say outside variables — medical advancements, changing demographics and better social services — deserve much of the credit.

Even with this dreadful shooting in Dallas, the city has only seen one other shooting involving police officers, and that didn’t result in a fatality on either side. The crime rate in Texas is still dropping too (via Texas Tribune):



Urban crime rates are at historic lows across the country, and in Texas they are still dropping, according to an analysis of crime rates in the 30 largest U.S cities.


Between 2014 and 2015, the five largest cities in Texas saw an average drop of 6.5 percent in the overall crime rate per 100,000 residents, according to the analysis by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law. Among the nation’s top cities, crime rates remained stagnant during this time, dropping by only 0.1 percent.

With an almost 10 percent drop in its crime rate, Austin saw the sharpest decrease in Texas and the nation.

Murders up since 2015:
166 murders: The heartbreaking year that shattered these Dallas families

Yes.....we know, because President Obama and Black Lives Matter attacked our police on a national level.....that created the Ferguson Effect...... where the police stopped Pro active policing, and allowed gang members to do their business without interference....those murders are on you and obama...and Black Lives Matter...

Hard Data, Hollow Protests

The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect.

Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened.

Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 AM, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it.

Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

And more on the Ferguson effect...

Homicide Rate Is Rising? Do Tell!



While not trying to ascribe a cause, CNN does acknowledge that the uptick beginning in 2015 has been concentrated in a handful of cities.

Steve Sailer draws the obvious conclusion:

Hmmhmmmh … Chicago, Baltimore, and St. Louis … Weren’t those in the news? Something to do with Black Lives Matter?

The obvious cause for the increase in murders during the last years of the Obama administration was the Black Lives Matter movement, which was enthusiastically endorsed by the White House. It led to numerous unfair attacks on law enforcement, which in turn caused officers to police less aggressively. When police officers are afraid to do their jobs for fear of career-ending charges of racism, criminals prosper. Baltimore is the most notorious example, but the same phenomenon has happened in other cities where law enforcement has been besieged by the Left.

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Does that have anything to do with the recent spike in homicides? Were carry laws loosened in Chicago, Baltimore, Kansas City or St. Louis prior to the increase? Are the states where murders spiked after 2014 the ones where the law permitted residents to “carry a loaded concealed gun with you…with no license”?

No. What did change in the last years of the Obama administration? The obvious answer is, the Black Lives Matter movement and the associated attacks on law enforcement.

Yes, too many guns increases crime. Our police are often shot so they shoot a lot of people themselves. This leads to unrest and crime. Too many guns is the cause, these things don't happen where there is strong gun control.

Is that why Lonon has a higher murder rate than NYC, more guns?

NYC has very strong gun control. They have even kept out concealed carry. Meanwhile violent crime has been up where we allow carry.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

If you call the police to report a home intruder make sure that you discribe yourself to the police, gender, race, age, height, shirt color, pants color.... When the police arrive make sure that they know that you are the home owner aaaaand neeeever hold a gun in that situation.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Moron..... now you are just devolving into your usual Troll state. The shooter shot from a concealed and fortified position...into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people who initially had no idea they were under attack...... The police stacked up outside the door and didn't go in...another failure of your god, "Government."

And since the shooter had so much firepower, so many died and were injured.

No.... he had a tactical advantage and surprise against unarmed, tightly packed victims....

And if he had a derringer, few would have died. But since he had so much firepower, many died and hundreds were injured.

And had the police entered the room more lives would have been saved.

And how many people die from mass shootings a year...about 75.

How many times are guns used to stop violent rapes, robberies and murders each year...2.4 million.

Which number is bigger?

More lives would have been saved if all he had was a derringer obviously.

Our homicide rates is 4-5X that of countries with strong gun control.

London's murder rate surpasses New York's for 1st time ever

 

[2aguy]

And what does all these guns get us?

Well...since Americans use their guns 2.5 million times a year to stop rape, robbery and murder....that would be 2.5 million fewer Americans who have had their lives destroyed by criminals released into society by democrats...

Oh, and a lower gun murder rate, a lower gun crime rate and a lower violent crime rate..

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[Brain357]

And since the shooter had so much firepower, so many died and were injured.

No.... he had a tactical advantage and surprise against unarmed, tightly packed victims....

And if he had a derringer, few would have died. But since he had so much firepower, many died and hundreds were injured.

And had the police entered the room more lives would have been saved.

And how many people die from mass shootings a year...about 75.

How many times are guns used to stop violent rapes, robberies and murders each year...2.4 million.

Which number is bigger?

More lives would have been saved if all he had was a derringer obviously.

Our homicide rates is 4-5X that of countries with strong gun control.

No.... the gun crime rates in Australia, Britain and Canada are going up.

Our gun crime rate is going down. Their gun control laws have nothing to do with their murder rates, since their criminals have more guns now than they did before the bans and confiscations, yet they are not using those guns to murder people.

They don't have guns everywhere. Their police don't regularly get shot, nor do they regularly shoot people. They don't have regular mass shootings like us either. All the problems start with too many guns. Our mass shooting deaths only get worse as we allow more and more dangerous weapons.

 

[Weatherman2020]

If you call the police to report a home intruder make sure that you discribe yourself to the police, gender, race, age, height, shirt color, pants color.... When the police arrive make sure that they know that you are the home owner aaaaand neeeever hold a gun in that situation.

Yep. Drop your gun and lay on your stomach arms out until they figure things out.

 

[Brain357]

And since the shooter had so much firepower, so many died and were injured.

No.... he had a tactical advantage and surprise against unarmed, tightly packed victims....

And if he had a derringer, few would have died. But since he had so much firepower, many died and hundreds were injured.

And had the police entered the room more lives would have been saved.

And how many people die from mass shootings a year...about 75.

How many times are guns used to stop violent rapes, robberies and murders each year...2.4 million.

Which number is bigger?

More lives would have been saved if all he had was a derringer obviously.

Our homicide rates is 4-5X that of countries with strong gun control.

London's murder rate surpasses New York's for 1st time ever

Yes NYC has very strong gun control. Our murder rate would go down if the country had the same laws as NYC.

 

[2aguy]

And what does all these guns get us?

And those other countries don't have democrats living there...

Analysis | The surprising way gun violence is dividing America

In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

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As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas.

 

[Brain357]

And what does all these guns get us?

Well...since Americans use their guns 2.5 million times a year to stop rape, robbery and murder....that would be 2.5 million fewer Americans who have had their lives destroyed by criminals released into society by democrats...

Oh, and a lower gun murder rate, a lower gun crime rate and a lower violent crime rate..

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Yes it declined after Bill Clinton passed some gun control. You can thank background checks.