Plenty of 'evidence', but none of it proves squat

[BULLDOG]

Meanwhile, Democrats make up their own charges against Trump. Democrats have denied election results for decades but it Trump does it, he is indicted for it.

I'm not aware of any efforts to overthrow an election and steal the presidency before trump.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

what is this the 3rd thread from you on the exact same topic??



DONT TAKE THE BAIT JUST REPORT HIM FOR SPAMMING!!!

.

Nothing new.

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[Woodznutz]

You know he is corrupt. I know he is. Sue knows he is. Tom knows he is. Everything that has come out, points that way. He is immoral white trash that uses gullible morons like you to make himself rich.
The main problem with all this is, you and your ilk still defend him and will probably vote for him.
Everyone wants to bitch about how shitty our candidates are now, and then votes for them.
The American electorate blows my freaking mind.

I vote Republican for their ideology, hoping that someday they will live up to it.

 

[Woodznutz]

I really believe that the Democrats and Republicans are corrupt, Biden and Trump are corrupt and the two parties work for the pleasure of the rich.

Some truth there. On the bright side even a dufus like me can become well-off in America.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I really believe that the Democrats and Republicans are corrupt, Biden and Trump are corrupt and the two parties work for the pleasure of the rich.

And always will be as they always were.
That is basic humanity 101. The type of people who are interested in going into politics, are the kind that are infinitely easy to corrupt.
However - there is a difference.
And the difference is what level of corruption, and reason for corruption.
Was Trump corrupt in some ways? Undoubtedly. He certainly was in his business life, and likely that didn't stop at the White House door.
Biden? A whole other level of corruption is coming to light. We know, not debatable, we KNOW his family received 10s of $millions while he was Vice President. It's not like he didn't know it. Of course he did. And he could have stopped it. He didn't. In fact his name is on some of the LLC's the Biden family have a parade of that pass money around to each other.
I don't think anyone is going to argue that Hunter and Bidens family were heavily corrupt and receiving money from foreign governments. All are illegal. Was Biden involved personally? Does he have to be in order for what he DID do to be wrong? He knew it was happening. That is not up for debate, and neither is the fact he did absolutely nothing to stop them.

 

[Woodznutz]

This is about the allegations that Joe Biden is corrupt.

Of course Joe has a cursory knowledge of his son's deals, and even if he didn't perfectly articulate that fact, that he does have a cursory knowledge, hell, hunter's deals are widely published, he's really saying he isn't aware of the details of his son's deals, nor is he a participant, nor does he receive any money from his son's deals. Naturally, Republicans will continue to exploit this miscommunication and try and blow it way out proportion in order to smear Biden.

They will refer to Hunter and his siblings as the "Biden Family" hoping the low educated will assume that includes Joe Biden, which, in fact, the evidence doesn't support it. Many on this forum will refer to Joe Biden as 'Bribed Biden', and engage in weasel words like 'every one knows he's corrupt' etc,, which is a pseudo debate trick, and all sorts of disingenuous cheap shot tactics, they will do this to smear Joe Biden in the hopes of improving Trump's chances of winning, to deflect attention away from his legal problems, and they will do all of these things except produce evidence that actually directly proves their accusations, which they don't really care about, especially since none hard evidence actually exists. And they don'te really care about corruption because Trump's administration was the most corrupt in history ( Mapping Corruption: The Interactive Exhibit ), but they do care if a democrat's son is easy to pick on such that they hope their smears will rub off on Joe in order to get a dictator loving sex abuser conman criminal back in office. (substantiation produced on request.

See, there's a difference between circumstantial evidence, and direct evidence that actually proves your allegation. There is plenty of former, but none of the latter. No prosecutor is going to indict a US president without a ton of the latter.

To wit:

What have you on the right produced as evidence? Let's take a look:


Not one financial document has Joe Biden as beneficiary or signatory.

Not one LLC lists Joe Biden as an officer in a Shell.

Not one LLC has been proven to be established for a corrupt purpose as none of the 10 or so legitimate reasons have been excluded.

Not one taped phone call implicates joe in any wrong doing.

Not one testimony against Joe is backed by hard evidence.

No testimony given by Joe's staff against him.

No testimony by Joe's sons and daughters are made against him

Every email and text presented do not have Joe Biden as a participant in the conversation and third party mentions of Joe is hearsay and some have been established as fake.

The chain of custody of the laptop is not clear cut, and has the potential for corruption.

IN short, the House Republicans and those in the Senate have failed to produce sufficient predication for a criminal investigation.

In fact, all of the evidence thus far produced, only proves that Hunter Biden did business abroad, that that business is not against the law, plus the fact that he generously shared his profits with other family members, but notably except his father. There might be a FARA violation but that is not proof of wrongdoing beyond that fact.

SARs are not proof of wrongdoing, says so right on the Gov website.

FBI FD-1023 reports are not evidence, they need to be corroborated, and none have been, to date.

That Yelena Baturina was not sanctioned is not a damning fact at all, as alleged, given that some 50 Russian/Ukrainian billionaires haven't been sanctioned, either, and she is merely one of many.

What I've been finding is that for every issue put forth by Republicans, regarding the Bidens, there is an innocent explanation. Oh, some things might look bad, but looking bad is not illegal.

All of the 'evidence' thus far is suggestive in nature, and not conclusive.

What you need to do is produce conclusive evidence, which would be required in order for a prosecutor wanting to indict a US President.

IN short, the hard truth is, you're just trying to deflect attention away from Trump's indictments. I know it must hurt to know your guy is a criminal, but, I suggest voting for someone who is a decent man, like Joe Biden.

But you guys on the right really don't care about corruption, since none of you are concerned that Jared Kushner earned a $125,000,000 blood money management fee off of a $2 billion dollar fund acquisition from the murderous Mohammed Bin Salman, a connection garnered via Jared leveraging his position as Senior WH Advisor and consummated the deal shortly after leaving office. You see, Hunter is a private citizen. You guys don't care about real corruption, you just care about getting your criminal president back in office so he can destroy the country because, you have to admit: Trump is a thrice indicted, sex abuser, conman, fraudster, criminal who loves Putin, the 'poorly educated', not to mention that he despises democracy and has betrayed America, and by these facts, is the worst president in history.

Find a decent man to run for the conservative ticket, like y'all used to do, once upon a time.

Trump is the Frankenstein monster that the Democrats unwittingly created in their social laboratory.

 

[Independentthinker]

I'm not aware of any efforts to overthrow an election and steal the presidency before trump.

2016 and the next several years, up until now.

 

[Dekster]

This is about the allegations that Joe Biden is corrupt.

Of course Joe has a cursory knowledge of his son's deals, and even if he didn't perfectly articulate that fact, that he does have a cursory knowledge, hell, hunter's deals are widely published, he's really saying he isn't aware of the details of his son's deals, nor is he a participant, nor does he receive any money from his son's deals. Naturally, Republicans will continue to exploit this miscommunication and try and blow it way out proportion in order to smear Biden.

They will refer to Hunter and his siblings as the "Biden Family" hoping the low educated will assume that includes Joe Biden, which, in fact, the evidence doesn't support it. Many on this forum will refer to Joe Biden as 'Bribed Biden', and engage in weasel words like 'every one knows he's corrupt' etc,, which is a pseudo debate trick, and all sorts of disingenuous cheap shot tactics, they will do this to smear Joe Biden in the hopes of improving Trump's chances of winning, to deflect attention away from his legal problems, and they will do all of these things except produce evidence that actually directly proves their accusations, which they don't really care about, especially since none hard evidence actually exists. And they don'te really care about corruption because Trump's administration was the most corrupt in history ( Mapping Corruption: The Interactive Exhibit ), but they do care if a democrat's son is easy to pick on such that they hope their smears will rub off on Joe in order to get a dictator loving sex abuser conman criminal back in office. (substantiation produced on request.

See, there's a difference between circumstantial evidence, and direct evidence that actually proves your allegation. There is plenty of former, but none of the latter. No prosecutor is going to indict a US president without a ton of the latter.

To wit:

What have you on the right produced as evidence? Let's take a look:


Not one financial document has Joe Biden as beneficiary or signatory.

Not one LLC lists Joe Biden as an officer in a Shell.

Not one LLC has been proven to be established for a corrupt purpose as none of the 10 or so legitimate reasons have been excluded.

Not one taped phone call implicates joe in any wrong doing.

Not one testimony against Joe is backed by hard evidence.

No testimony given by Joe's staff against him.

No testimony by Joe's sons and daughters are made against him

Every email and text presented do not have Joe Biden as a participant in the conversation and third party mentions of Joe is hearsay and some have been established as fake.

The chain of custody of the laptop is not clear cut, and has the potential for corruption.

IN short, the House Republicans and those in the Senate have failed to produce sufficient predication for a criminal investigation.

In fact, all of the evidence thus far produced, only proves that Hunter Biden did business abroad, that that business is not against the law, plus the fact that he generously shared his profits with other family members, but notably except his father. There might be a FARA violation but that is not proof of wrongdoing beyond that fact.

SARs are not proof of wrongdoing, says so right on the Gov website.

FBI FD-1023 reports are not evidence, they need to be corroborated, and none have been, to date.

That Yelena Baturina was not sanctioned is not a damning fact at all, as alleged, given that some 50 Russian/Ukrainian billionaires haven't been sanctioned, either, and she is merely one of many.

What I've been finding is that for every issue put forth by Republicans, regarding the Bidens, there is an innocent explanation. Oh, some things might look bad, but looking bad is not illegal.

All of the 'evidence' thus far is suggestive in nature, and not conclusive.

What you need to do is produce conclusive evidence, which would be required in order for a prosecutor wanting to indict a US President.

IN short, the hard truth is, you're just trying to deflect attention away from Trump's indictments. I know it must hurt to know your guy is a criminal, but, I suggest voting for someone who is a decent man, like Joe Biden.

But you guys on the right really don't care about corruption, since none of you are concerned that Jared Kushner earned a $125,000,000 blood money management fee off of a $2 billion dollar fund acquisition from the murderous Mohammed Bin Salman, a connection garnered via Jared leveraging his position as Senior WH Advisor and consummated the deal shortly after leaving office. You see, Hunter is a private citizen. You guys don't care about real corruption, you just care about getting your criminal president back in office so he can destroy the country because, you have to admit: Trump is a thrice indicted, sex abuser, conman, fraudster, criminal who loves Putin, the 'poorly educated', not to mention that he despises democracy and has betrayed America, and by these facts, is the worst president in history.

Find a decent man to run for the conservative ticket, like y'all used to do, once upon a time.

I am sure the democrats will find something to indict Trump for to bury this story

 

[Rumpole]

You know he is corrupt. I know he is. Sue knows he is. Tom knows he is.

Weasel words are not an argument.

Everything that has come out, points that way. He is immoral white trash that uses gullible morons like you

ONly a gullible moron would accuse someone without direct evidence.

"points that way" won't be enough for a prosecutor, embarking on a historical indictment, that of US president, the kind case that will bring the WORLD SPOTLIGHT BURNING DOWN ON YOUR ASS, no prosecutor will indict on anything less that incontrovertible evidence, and that evidence YOU DO NOT HAVE.

got that, you fucking idiot?

to make himself rich.
The main problem with all this is, you and your ilk still defend him and will probably vote for him.
Everyone wants to bitch about how shitty our candidates are now, and then votes for them.
The American electorate blows my freaking mind.

Only partisan morons who believe in Trump believe it.

Joe, by any standards of what constitutes 'rich', maybe upper middle class, but he's not rich.

Trump, however, grifts his followers to the tune of hundreds of millions to pay his legal expenses, and he's a 'billionaire' who doesn't really need the money, and even said so at the start fo his campaign, and what did he do? He lied and started soliciting money. [

In fact, everything about your comment is projection.

We have TONS of evidence on Trump.

You have NOTHING on Joe Biden.

don't think so? Prove it.

You can't refute a word in the OP.

 

[Independentthinker]

I'm not aware of any efforts to overthrow an election and steal the presidency before trump.

You are actually 100% right. Elections have not been trying to be overthrown or stolen since Trump. Ever since he was elected in 2016 Democrats have been trying to overthrow those election results and continue doing so to this day by trying to take him out so that he can't even run.

 

[JimH52]

This is about the allegations that Joe Biden is corrupt.

Of course Joe has a cursory knowledge of his son's deals, and even if he didn't perfectly articulate that fact, that he does have a cursory knowledge, hell, hunter's deals are widely published, he's really saying he isn't aware of the details of his son's deals, nor is he a participant, nor does he receive any money from his son's deals. Naturally, Republicans will continue to exploit this miscommunication and try and blow it way out proportion in order to smear Biden.

They will refer to Hunter and his siblings as the "Biden Family" hoping the low educated will assume that includes Joe Biden, which, in fact, the evidence doesn't support it. Many on this forum will refer to Joe Biden as 'Bribed Biden', and engage in weasel words like 'every one knows he's corrupt' etc,, which is a pseudo debate trick, and all sorts of disingenuous cheap shot tactics, they will do this to smear Joe Biden in the hopes of improving Trump's chances of winning, to deflect attention away from his legal problems, and they will do all of these things except produce evidence that actually directly proves their accusations, which they don't really care about, especially since none hard evidence actually exists. And they don'te really care about corruption because Trump's administration was the most corrupt in history ( Mapping Corruption: The Interactive Exhibit ), but they do care if a democrat's son is easy to pick on such that they hope their smears will rub off on Joe in order to get a dictator loving sex abuser conman criminal back in office. (substantiation produced on request.

See, there's a difference between circumstantial evidence, and direct evidence that actually proves your allegation. There is plenty of former, but none of the latter. No prosecutor is going to indict a US president without a ton of the latter.

To wit:

What have you on the right produced as evidence? Let's take a look:


Not one financial document has Joe Biden as beneficiary or signatory.

Not one LLC lists Joe Biden as an officer in a Shell.

Not one LLC has been proven to be established for a corrupt purpose as none of the 10 or so legitimate reasons have been excluded.

Not one taped phone call implicates joe in any wrong doing.

Not one testimony against Joe is backed by hard evidence.

No testimony given by Joe's staff against him.

No testimony by Joe's sons and daughters are made against him

Every email and text presented do not have Joe Biden as a participant in the conversation and third party mentions of Joe is hearsay and some have been established as fake.

The chain of custody of the laptop is not clear cut, and has the potential for corruption.

IN short, the House Republicans and those in the Senate have failed to produce sufficient predication for a criminal investigation.

In fact, all of the evidence thus far produced, only proves that Hunter Biden did business abroad, that that business is not against the law, plus the fact that he generously shared his profits with other family members, but notably except his father. There might be a FARA violation but that is not proof of wrongdoing beyond that fact.

SARs are not proof of wrongdoing, says so right on the Gov website.

FBI FD-1023 reports are not evidence, they need to be corroborated, and none have been, to date.

That Yelena Baturina was not sanctioned is not a damning fact at all, as alleged, given that some 50 Russian/Ukrainian billionaires haven't been sanctioned, either, and she is merely one of many.

What I've been finding is that for every issue put forth by Republicans, regarding the Bidens, there is an innocent explanation. Oh, some things might look bad, but looking bad is not illegal.

All of the 'evidence' thus far is suggestive in nature, and not conclusive.

What you need to do is produce conclusive evidence, which would be required in order for a prosecutor wanting to indict a US President.

IN short, the hard truth is, you're just trying to deflect attention away from Trump's indictments. I know it must hurt to know your guy is a criminal, but, I suggest voting for someone who is a decent man, like Joe Biden.

But you guys on the right really don't care about corruption, since none of you are concerned that Jared Kushner earned a $125,000,000 blood money management fee off of a $2 billion dollar fund acquisition from the murderous Mohammed Bin Salman, a connection garnered via Jared leveraging his position as Senior WH Advisor and consummated the deal shortly after leaving office. You see, Hunter is a private citizen. You guys don't care about real corruption, you just care about getting your criminal president back in office so he can destroy the country because, you have to admit: Trump is a thrice indicted, sex abuser, conman, fraudster, criminal who loves Putin, the 'poorly educated', not to mention that he despises democracy and has betrayed America, and by these facts, is the worst president in history.

Find a decent man to run for the conservative ticket, like y'all used to do, once upon a time.

Hunter Biden is the repub''s Benghazi investigation. They think it will save trump. But trump will soon have his fourth indictment. He makes Nixon look like the Pope.

But Nixon cared about the country and he had a conscious. Neither is true of trump.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Hunter Biden is the repub''s Benghazi investigation. They think it will save trump. But trump will soon have his fourth indictment. He makes Nixon look like the Pope.

But Nixon cared about the country and he had a conscious. Neither is true of trump.

.





Nixon had a conscious what?




.

 

[yidnar]

This is about the allegations that Joe Biden is corrupt.

Of course Joe has a cursory knowledge of his son's deals, and even if he didn't perfectly articulate that fact, that he does have a cursory knowledge, hell, hunter's deals are widely published, he's really saying he isn't aware of the details of his son's deals, nor is he a participant, nor does he receive any money from his son's deals. Naturally, Republicans will continue to exploit this miscommunication and try and blow it way out proportion in order to smear Biden.

They will refer to Hunter and his siblings as the "Biden Family" hoping the low educated will assume that includes Joe Biden, which, in fact, the evidence doesn't support it. Many on this forum will refer to Joe Biden as 'Bribed Biden', and engage in weasel words like 'every one knows he's corrupt' etc,, which is a pseudo debate trick, and all sorts of disingenuous cheap shot tactics, they will do this to smear Joe Biden in the hopes of improving Trump's chances of winning, to deflect attention away from his legal problems, and they will do all of these things except produce evidence that actually directly proves their accusations, which they don't really care about, especially since none hard evidence actually exists. And they don'te really care about corruption because Trump's administration was the most corrupt in history ( Mapping Corruption: The Interactive Exhibit ), but they do care if a democrat's son is easy to pick on such that they hope their smears will rub off on Joe in order to get a dictator loving sex abuser conman criminal back in office. (substantiation produced on request.

See, there's a difference between circumstantial evidence, and direct evidence that actually proves your allegation. There is plenty of former, but none of the latter. No prosecutor is going to indict a US president without a ton of the latter.

To wit:

What have you on the right produced as evidence? Let's take a look:


Not one financial document has Joe Biden as beneficiary or signatory.

Not one LLC lists Joe Biden as an officer in a Shell.

Not one LLC has been proven to be established for a corrupt purpose as none of the 10 or so legitimate reasons have been excluded.

Not one taped phone call implicates joe in any wrong doing.

Not one testimony against Joe is backed by hard evidence.

No testimony given by Joe's staff against him.

No testimony by Joe's sons and daughters are made against him

Every email and text presented do not have Joe Biden as a participant in the conversation and third party mentions of Joe is hearsay and some have been established as fake.

The chain of custody of the laptop is not clear cut, and has the potential for corruption.

IN short, the House Republicans and those in the Senate have failed to produce sufficient predication for a criminal investigation.

In fact, all of the evidence thus far produced, only proves that Hunter Biden did business abroad, that that business is not against the law, plus the fact that he generously shared his profits with other family members, but notably except his father. There might be a FARA violation but that is not proof of wrongdoing beyond that fact.

SARs are not proof of wrongdoing, says so right on the Gov website.

FBI FD-1023 reports are not evidence, they need to be corroborated, and none have been, to date.

That Yelena Baturina was not sanctioned is not a damning fact at all, as alleged, given that some 50 Russian/Ukrainian billionaires haven't been sanctioned, either, and she is merely one of many.

What I've been finding is that for every issue put forth by Republicans, regarding the Bidens, there is an innocent explanation. Oh, some things might look bad, but looking bad is not illegal.

All of the 'evidence' thus far is suggestive in nature, and not conclusive.

What you need to do is produce conclusive evidence, which would be required in order for a prosecutor wanting to indict a US President.

IN short, the hard truth is, you're just trying to deflect attention away from Trump's indictments. I know it must hurt to know your guy is a criminal, but, I suggest voting for someone who is a decent man, like Joe Biden.

But you guys on the right really don't care about corruption, since none of you are concerned that Jared Kushner earned a $125,000,000 blood money management fee off of a $2 billion dollar fund acquisition from the murderous Mohammed Bin Salman, a connection garnered via Jared leveraging his position as Senior WH Advisor and consummated the deal shortly after leaving office. You see, Hunter is a private citizen. You guys don't care about real corruption, you just care about getting your criminal president back in office so he can destroy the country because, you have to admit: Trump is a thrice indicted, sex abuser, conman, fraudster, criminal who loves Putin, the 'poorly educated', not to mention that he despises democracy and has betrayed America, and by these facts, is the worst president in history.

Find a decent man to run for the conservative ticket, like y'all used to do, once upon a time.

lol ! 1st Hunter didnt get money from China and other foreign actors ..then the Big Guy never talked to his son about business .... then the story changed to the Big Guy never talked to Hunters business partners.. then the story changed to the Big Guy never met with Hunters business partners ! lol ! that goal post has been moved so much its now sitting outside the stadium smack in the middle of China Town !

 

[BULLDOG]

2016 and the next several years, up until now.

Really? Please list the laws broken while the attempts you claim were enacted. There are allowable efforts that can be made to question an election. Please list all the unallowable efforts you refer to.

 

[BULLDOG]

You are actually 100% right. Elections have not been trying to be overthrown or stolen since Trump. Ever since he was elected in 2016 Democrats have been trying to overthrow those election results and continue doing so to this day by trying to take him out so that he can't even run.

Trump was president for 4 years. Nobody is trying to change that. The goal is to prevent him from ever holding office again. He was that bad.

 

[Rumpole]

lol ! 1st Hunter didnt get money from China and other foreign actors ..then the Big Guy never talked to his son about business .... then the story changed to the Big Guy never talked to Hunters business partners.. then the story changed to the Big Guy never met with Hunters business partners ! lol ! that goal post has been moved so much its now sitting outside the stadium smack in the middle of China Town !

Except for one small detail.

The only fact that really matters is whether or not Joe Biden received money directly from Hunter's business deals, as a 'cut' or percentage, i.e., no evidence Joe partnered with his son.

No evidence of that, has been produced.

See, none of those goal post shifts are illegal, anyway. It doesn't matter.

See?

Doesn't matter.

See?

see?

See?

I guess you don't.

Sheesh, No cure for stupid

 

[Rumpole]

You are actually 100% right. Elections have not been trying to be overthrown or stolen since Trump. Ever since he was elected in 2016 Democrats have been trying to overthrow those election results and continue doing so to this day by trying to take him out so that he can't even run.

You are conflating 'win an election' with 'illegally trying to overthrow an election'

If you are accusing dems of the latter, you'll need to substantiate that claim.

 

[TNHarley]

Weasel words are not an argument.

ONly a gullible moron would accuse someone without direct evidence.

"points that way" won't be enough for a prosecutor, embarking on a historical indictment, that of US president, the kind case that will bring the WORLD SPOTLIGHT BURNING DOWN ON YOUR ASS, no prosecutor will indict on anything less that incontrovertible evidence, and that evidence YOU DO NOT HAVE.

got that, you fucking idiot?


Only partisan morons who believe in Trump believe it.

Joe, by any standards of what constitutes 'rich', maybe upper middle class, but he's not rich.

Trump, however, grifts his followers to the tune of hundreds of millions to pay his legal expenses, and he's a 'billionaire' who doesn't really need the money, and even said so at the start fo his campaign, and what did he do? He lied and started soliciting money. [

In fact, everything about your comment is projection.

We have TONS of evidence on Trump.

You have NOTHING on Joe Biden.

don't think so? Prove it.

You can't refute a word in the OP.

Gawd, you are pathetic.

 

[Rumpole]

Gawd, you are pathetic.

Incompetent rebuttal

 

[TNHarley]

Incompetent rebuttal

You think you deserved anything more for that hacked out drivel?