Please will someone who opposes the building of the "Wall" on the southern border explain why?

[JWBooth]

Because it could eventually be used to keep us in, a-la East Berlin.

Before the usual suspects chortle at this possibility, I'm reminded of all the Bushbots who poo-poo-ed the warnings that provisions of the Patriot Act, NSA spying, and the idiotic FISA "court" could be abused as political weapons.

If you want immigrants who come here not to be burdens upon the system, better that you finally pare back the socialistic welfare state like you've been promising to do for decades.

THIS!
In addition it will be one of the great seizures of private property in the history of this country.
The US foreign policy of involving itself in Central and South America, disrupting or overthrowing existing regimes, installing new ones, supporting autocrats creates a large part of the problem. Mind your own business and keep your hands to yourself.

PROVE it! Where are your links? Why do people like you spout your crap but NEVER prove it with links that I can follow and believe because until then...
YOU are a 1st class BLELLUM

A Persian Gulf boat? Home : Oxford English Dictionary
Oxford English Dictionary - Bellum, n, A small boat or canoe used in ports along the shores of the Persian Gulf.

 

[Votto]

I think its needless.
If we took away incentive, we wouldnt have to do shit. Those assholes would leave when they are dumb, sick, living in the streets and cant afford a piece of bread.
But i like to actually solve problems. Band aids are for the birds.
THEN AGAIN, I dont trust our congress critters.
So i am a bit torn about it actually getting done because i dont trust them to do their jobs.
THATS how low my standards are with these *****!

But the powers that be will not take away the incentives. That is the point. As a result, the wall is the next best thing.

I know. Thats why those worthless fuckers keep getting voted in. Because they keep our best interests at heart.

Well then you should support the wall.

Then once Trump is gone, it will still be there.

 

[rightwinger]

I was watching talking heads program and the token Democrat said "Democrats are against building the wall".
I shouted at the TV "Ask why are the Democrats against the wall"?

What are the reasons for Democrats opposing the building of the wall?
Americans Oppose Border Walls, Favor Dealing With DACA
GOP 73% favor expanding the wall while 87% of Democrats don't favor.
WHY are Democrats against improving the security of the country?

Now my opinion based on the previous history of National Voter Registration Act of 1993
National Voter Registration Act of 1993 - Wikipedia passed by the MAJORITY of the Democrat party which directly approved illegals secure driver's license to aid in voter registration.
This has been the major reason Democrats have favored "open borders'.. political benefits cloaked in pious supposedly humanitarian reasons.

The sad fact is that while yes I AGREE the vast MAJORITY of ILLEGAL immigrants are not criminals, are not
a threat to me, it is the few that ARE getting in that are smuggling not only drugs BUT these innocent immigrants who don't know better!
That is the fact that the DEMOCRATS are aiding and abetting, i.e. encouraging people to break the law their first steps into America!

How can people then be against building a physical barrier that will reduce the chances for people to break
the law in the first place?
Why are supposedly these "humanitarians" that feel so bad for these "illegals" that they have NO problem ENCOURAGING their breaking the law in the first place?

So you people that OPPOSE improving the security of America i.e. building the "wall" please explain why because it has been proven that the wall would effectively reduce the
... At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $134.9 billion to cover the costs incurred by the presence of more than 12.5 million illegal aliens, and about 4.2 million citizen children of illegal aliens....The Cost of Illegal Immigration to US Taxpayers | FAIR

$135 billion a year... versus a wall that will reduce dramatically drug/human trafficking as well as reducing the number of people requiring this federal/state/local costs.

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Colossal waste of money that will have little effect on illegal immigration, and a large effect on wildlife and our relationship with central and south America.

It is truly comical hearing Dims talk about a colossal waste of money.

In fact, the only time you hear it is when the US is building up their military or trying to build a border wall. Anything for the protection of the US is a colossal waste of money it seems. Everything else, like studying the mating rituals of the wart hog, not so much.

You forgot about Prisons.....part of the GOP triad they are willing to spend on

Wars, a border wall and more prisons

Ask for money to help Americans and they swear poverty

You wrote: "Ask for money to help Americans and they swear poverty"

War on Poverty since instituted in 1965...
The War on Poverty is the unofficial name for legislation first introduced by United States President Lyndon B. Johnson during his State of the Union address on Wednesday, January 8, 1964. This legislation was proposed by Johnson in response to a national poverty rate of around nineteen percent. 19%.
With population of 194,300,000 that would be about 37 million people.

A 2013 study published by Columbia University asserts the poverty rate of 16%. or 50,592,000

In the 50 years since that time, U.S. taxpayers have spent over $22 trillion on anti-poverty programs
The War on Poverty After 50 Years

So let's see from 1965 to 2012 or 47 years an average of $320 billion a year spent on war on poverty

So these people get:
=== $ 5,666 in Earned Income Credit i.e. a check from Uncle Sam instead of paying they get a check!!!
Tax Foundation
=== $12,000 free housing , Section 8 will pay up to $1,000/month www.affordablehousingonline.com/section8housing.asp
=== $ 2,400 free food,
=== $ 1,200 in free cell phone plus :http://www.adttel.com/?gclid=CLex4IamjKQCFY5a7AodrCHlHw
=== $ 5,000 a year in free health care from Medicaid.
So this is about $26,000 a year in FREE MONEY, free goods and free services...

it cost $75.7 billion in 2011 compared to $35 billion in 2008; and enrollment has hit an all-time high of 46.7 million recipients.
Meanwhile, the number of children receiving free school lunches has inflated from 18 to 21 million — an unprecedented jump —
about 2.1 million households (6 million) use Section 8 the Housing Choice Voucher program
Stock Quotes, Business News and Data from Stock Markets | MSN Money

So are you claiming we should not have spent money to help our poor in the last 50 years?

 

[bodecea]

Same bullshit, different century.

Some anti-European immigrant cartoons from over a century ago:

The sign reads: Imported, Duty Free, by Trust, Monopoly & Co. to compete with American Labor.

The caption reads: Results of Encouraging Emigration. Paupers, Vagabonds, Murderers and other of the European and Asiatic Scum Refused Admission Elsewhere, Are Readily Landed Here."

"Results of Encouraging Emigration". Exactly the same rhetoric we hear today!






Here is some anti-Italian immigrant propaganda. Note "The Way to Dispose of Them".

Here is an anti-Irish immigrant cartoon.

Didn't I read that a lot of the objection to these immigrants at the time was cyclical economic recessions? Americans were competing for jobs? So why, with our economy the best in history (according to Trump) are people today so frickin bent out of shape about brown people? I don't get it.

Yyyep. As long as there are those so drunk on emotional rhetoric-candy that they can't learn from their own history, they'll regress right back into the Know Nothing Party.

They are already the "Know Nothing Party" in everything but name.

 

[rightwinger]

It won't work. It's a waste of money. It's antithetical to the idea of America.

The Border Patrol disagrees because you are an idiot.

They disagree because they need the job

 

[rightwinger]

I think its needless.
If we took away incentive, we wouldnt have to do shit. Those assholes would leave when they are dumb, sick, living in the streets and cant afford a piece of bread.
But i like to actually solve problems. Band aids are for the birds.
THEN AGAIN, I dont trust our congress critters.
So i am a bit torn about it actually getting done because i dont trust them to do their jobs.
THATS how low my standards are with these *****!

But the powers that be will not take away the incentives. That is the point. As a result, the wall is the next best thing.

I know. Thats why those worthless fuckers keep getting voted in. Because they keep our best interests at heart.

Well then you should support the wall.

Then once Trump is gone, it will still be there.

We will tear it down as soon as Trump leaves

 

[bodecea]

I thought it was finished!
It's looking pretty good too.
I don't know who built it but it's obvious that no one builds big beautiful walls like him.

I think they left a few gaps there.

 

[bodecea]

"Wall" is both symbolic and objective. We'll build walls where it suits the area. Other areas will be monitored. At least that's how it should be.

**** illegals, they don't belong here. We Americans should not allow our methods, language and such to be compromised on our dime. Chaos, over-population, driving wages down and housing up, much higher taxes on those who actually pay taxes, and a disrupted education system.

Show me a progressive and I'll give you someone who bites the hand that feeds them. Progressives are the most like to complain about wages and costs, all while they advocate for open borders.

only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy and complain about taxes.

So you advocate letting in hordes of dependents who vote for more government benefits? I agree with those who say kill the incentives. That is such a no brainer only the government could screw that up. It is not enough though. I believe a barrier would be highly effective. More effective than a massive increase in manpower. Why don't we just ask border agents if it will work, then do it. I'm tired of the suits and ties making stuff up.

Why not advocate building a wall on the northern border too?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I was watching talking heads program and the token Democrat said "Democrats are against building the wall".
I shouted at the TV "Ask why are the Democrats against the wall"?

What are the reasons for Democrats opposing the building of the wall?
Americans Oppose Border Walls, Favor Dealing With DACA
GOP 73% favor expanding the wall while 87% of Democrats don't favor.
WHY are Democrats against improving the security of the country?

Now my opinion based on the previous history of National Voter Registration Act of 1993
National Voter Registration Act of 1993 - Wikipedia passed by the MAJORITY of the Democrat party which directly approved illegals secure driver's license to aid in voter registration.
This has been the major reason Democrats have favored "open borders'.. political benefits cloaked in pious supposedly humanitarian reasons.

The sad fact is that while yes I AGREE the vast MAJORITY of ILLEGAL immigrants are not criminals, are not
a threat to me, it is the few that ARE getting in that are smuggling not only drugs BUT these innocent immigrants who don't know better!
That is the fact that the DEMOCRATS are aiding and abetting, i.e. encouraging people to break the law their first steps into America!

How can people then be against building a physical barrier that will reduce the chances for people to break
the law in the first place?
Why are supposedly these "humanitarians" that feel so bad for these "illegals" that they have NO problem ENCOURAGING their breaking the law in the first place?

So you people that OPPOSE improving the security of America i.e. building the "wall" please explain why because it has been proven that the wall would effectively reduce the
... At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $134.9 billion to cover the costs incurred by the presence of more than 12.5 million illegal aliens, and about 4.2 million citizen children of illegal aliens....The Cost of Illegal Immigration to US Taxpayers | FAIR

$135 billion a year... versus a wall that will reduce dramatically drug/human trafficking as well as reducing the number of people requiring this federal/state/local costs.

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A while back an illegal was found in Pittsburgh and deported for the fourth time. When asked how he kept getting across the border he said he used forged documents which makes your silly wall irrelevant. If we really need to waste $135 billion let`s just give it to the pentagon. They`ll make it disappear and no questions will be asked.

Three words: Posse Comitatus Act

Was never designed to stop the military from defending the nations borders.

Border defense is not a law enforcement matter.


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[BluesLegend]

"Wall" is both symbolic and objective. We'll build walls where it suits the area. Other areas will be monitored. At least that's how it should be.

**** illegals, they don't belong here. We Americans should not allow our methods, language and such to be compromised on our dime. Chaos, over-population, driving wages down and housing up, much higher taxes on those who actually pay taxes, and a disrupted education system.

Show me a progressive and I'll give you someone who bites the hand that feeds them. Progressives are the most like to complain about wages and costs, all while they advocate for open borders.

only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy and complain about taxes.

So you advocate letting in hordes of dependents who vote for more government benefits? I agree with those who say kill the incentives. That is such a no brainer only the government could screw that up. It is not enough though. I believe a barrier would be highly effective. More effective than a massive increase in manpower. Why don't we just ask border agents if it will work, then do it. I'm tired of the suits and ties making stuff up.

Why not advocate building a wall on the northern border too?

Canada tightly controls their borders and boots illegals the hell out.

 

[Nosmo King]

It won't work. It's a waste of money. It's antithetical to the idea of America.

The Border Patrol disagrees because you are an idiot.

Let me thoroughly understand this. The Border Patrol disagrees that the wall won't work and that the wall is a waste of money because I am an idiot. Golly! I didn't know the Border Patrol knew who I was!

 

[TNHarley]

I think its needless.
If we took away incentive, we wouldnt have to do shit. Those assholes would leave when they are dumb, sick, living in the streets and cant afford a piece of bread.
But i like to actually solve problems. Band aids are for the birds.
THEN AGAIN, I dont trust our congress critters.
So i am a bit torn about it actually getting done because i dont trust them to do their jobs.
THATS how low my standards are with these *****!

But the powers that be will not take away the incentives. That is the point. As a result, the wall is the next best thing.

I know. Thats why those worthless fuckers keep getting voted in. Because they keep our best interests at heart.

Well then you should support the wall.

Then once Trump is gone, it will still be there.

We will tear it down as soon as Trump leaves

Of course you will. Then, just like almost EVERY partisan issue in this country, the right can ***** about you destroying trumps legacy.
You goddamn idiots should be deported to Poland. You are just the ******* same. Including your 50 IQ. That should help you fit right in, too

 

[Oddball]

This wins the whole ******* board in my opinion.Free nations don't build walls. They build bridges.

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Tell that to the Europeans, especially Germany - Migrants in Europe Linked To Soaring Violence and Crime in Germany, Study Finds

Those countries all have bigtime barriers at their borders and the moose limbs STILL got in, primarily because of the far leftist stooges running those nations allowed them in.....Lest we forget that scads of recreational drugs cross all those borders, and they don't have any choice in the matter.

There are far better ways of dissuading looters, layabouts and violent criminals from entering 'Murica than a silly wall.

 

[AZGAL]

Free nations don't build walls. They build bridges.

So the unicorns can cross the bridges to the make believe world!

 

[Oddball]

Of course you will. Then, just like almost EVERY partisan issue in this country, the right can ***** about you destroying trumps legacy.
You goddamn idiots should be deported to Poland. You are just the ******* same. Including your 50 IQ. That should help you fit right in, too

Poland wouldn't take him.

 

[BluesLegend]

This wins the whole ******* board in my opinion.Free nations don't build walls. They build bridges.

`
Tell that to the Europeans, especially Germany - Migrants in Europe Linked To Soaring Violence and Crime in Germany, Study Finds

Those countries all have bigtime barriers at their borders and the moose limbs STILL got in, primarily because of the far leftist stooges running those nations allowed them in.....Lest we forget that scads of recreational drugs cross all those borders, and they don't have any choice in the matter.

There are far better ways of dissuading looters, layabouts and violent criminals from entering 'Murica than a silly wall.

Yeah machine guns and attack helicopters.

 

[Votto]

I think its needless.
If we took away incentive, we wouldnt have to do shit. Those assholes would leave when they are dumb, sick, living in the streets and cant afford a piece of bread.
But i like to actually solve problems. Band aids are for the birds.
THEN AGAIN, I dont trust our congress critters.
So i am a bit torn about it actually getting done because i dont trust them to do their jobs.
THATS how low my standards are with these *****!

But the powers that be will not take away the incentives. That is the point. As a result, the wall is the next best thing.

I know. Thats why those worthless fuckers keep getting voted in. Because they keep our best interests at heart.

Well then you should support the wall.

Then once Trump is gone, it will still be there.

We will tear it down as soon as Trump leaves

Of course you will. Then, just like almost EVERY partisan issue in this country, the right can ***** about you destroying trumps legacy.
You goddamn idiots should be deported to Poland. You are just the ******* same. Including your 50 IQ. That should help you fit right in, too

I don't think that they would tear it down.

That would require manual labor.

Now they might hire some illegal immigrants do to it, however, paying them slave wages, of course.

But really, that is the purpose of illegal immigration, isn't it Dims? You can no longer use blacks as slaves so you use whatever you can.

 

[AZGAL]

That should help you fit right in

Usually I agree with you but the Nazis plowed right through Poland and yet these strong people carry on. The majority of Jews there did not stop this and please do not insult them either as they are the ultimate survivors.

 

[AZGAL]

There are far better ways of dissuading looters, layabouts and violent criminals from entering 'Murica than a silly wall.

The wall is definitely not silly especially if we can see through parts of it.

 

[rightwinger]

"Wall" is both symbolic and objective. We'll build walls where it suits the area. Other areas will be monitored. At least that's how it should be.

**** illegals, they don't belong here. We Americans should not allow our methods, language and such to be compromised on our dime. Chaos, over-population, driving wages down and housing up, much higher taxes on those who actually pay taxes, and a disrupted education system.

Show me a progressive and I'll give you someone who bites the hand that feeds them. Progressives are the most like to complain about wages and costs, all while they advocate for open borders.

only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy and complain about taxes.

So you advocate letting in hordes of dependents who vote for more government benefits? I agree with those who say kill the incentives. That is such a no brainer only the government could screw that up. It is not enough though. I believe a barrier would be highly effective. More effective than a massive increase in manpower. Why don't we just ask border agents if it will work, then do it. I'm tired of the suits and ties making stuff up.

Why not advocate building a wall on the northern border too?

Canada has been preparing to invade us for decades
They have their population concentrated at the border ready to invade

A wall would keep them on their side