Pew Discredits Gun-Grabbers

[RetiredGySgt]

More interested in defending myself and my property from attacks by miscreants than attacks by the government

So would you be for or against trying to do something so that the miscreants don't have such easy access to guns?

So long as cops the military and the Government have firearms crooks will.

That makes no sense.

Really? Weapons are stolen from all military and police sources routinely. The National Guard is very much a target of firearms thefts. Further so long as other Countries make firearms they are easily smuggled into this Country across our porous southern border and by ship and aircraft.

So you're not willing to try to keep guns out of criminals hands. Got it.

Passing laws that keep Law abiding people from owning possessing carrying and using firearms has NEVER and will NEVER stop firearms crime. In fact since 1993 we have proven the cure is to arm more people have little to no restrictions on concealed and open carry and to encourage firearms ownership. The data is clear on that.

 

[Divine Wind]

Kid, you can't be a "libertarian" while simultaneously advocating draconian gun control laws.

And you can't be a real human being if you're ok with the status quo.

Not advocating anything "draconian". Talk about strawman.

The "status quo" lowered gun murder 49%.....gun crime 75%.....and violent crime 72%.......as Americans bought and carried more guns......

Locking up criminals would help lower it further.

We already went through this, the actual numbers are still extremely high and that doesn't bother you. You like being afraid so that you have a reason to pack. We get it.

What was that number again and what percentage were suicides? Black-on-black murders?

For Libertarians, not LWLs claiming to be Libertarians:
1.9 Self-Defense

The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights—life, liberty, and justly acquired property—against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other individual or group. We affirm the individual right recognized by the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. Private property owners should be free to establish their own conditions regarding the presence of personal defense weapons on their own property. We oppose all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition.

It's impossible to oppose all laws... because the government already restricts our right to small arms only, when they have much more powerful weapons that we're not allowed to have. So you can't own a bazooka because the government says you can't. So keep pretending that you have some Constitutional right that you don't actually have. Try not to be so gullible, that's how they want you.

1) Once again proving you're a Libertarian in name only.
2) The rich can afford that bazooka if they pay the fees. Again proving you support the elite, not the common man.
3) You obviously erroneously believe our rights are derived from the Constitution. Sorry, son, but that just ain't so.

 

[Mudda]

And you can't be a real human being if you're ok with the status quo.

Not advocating anything "draconian". Talk about strawman.

The "status quo" lowered gun murder 49%.....gun crime 75%.....and violent crime 72%.......as Americans bought and carried more guns......

Locking up criminals would help lower it further.

We already went through this, the actual numbers are still extremely high and that doesn't bother you. You like being afraid so that you have a reason to pack. We get it.

What was that number again and what percentage were suicides? Black-on-black murders?

For Libertarians, not LWLs claiming to be Libertarians:
1.9 Self-Defense

The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights—life, liberty, and justly acquired property—against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other individual or group. We affirm the individual right recognized by the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. Private property owners should be free to establish their own conditions regarding the presence of personal defense weapons on their own property. We oppose all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition.

It's impossible to oppose all laws... because the government already restricts our right to small arms only, when they have much more powerful weapons that we're not allowed to have. So you can't own a bazooka because the government says you can't. So keep pretending that you have some Constitutional right that you don't actually have. Try not to be so gullible, that's how they want you.

1) Once again proving you're a Libertarian in name only.
2) The rich can afford that bazooka if they pay the fees. Again proving you support the elite, not the common man.
3) You obviously erroneously believe our rights are derived from the Constitution. Sorry, son, but that just ain't so.

You can't own tons of weapons that the military has and that you're not allowed to have, making the second amendment no protection at all. Stop pretending that you can.

 

[2aguy]

The "status quo" lowered gun murder 49%.....gun crime 75%.....and violent crime 72%.......as Americans bought and carried more guns......

Locking up criminals would help lower it further.

We already went through this, the actual numbers are still extremely high and that doesn't bother you. You like being afraid so that you have a reason to pack. We get it.

What was that number again and what percentage were suicides? Black-on-black murders?

For Libertarians, not LWLs claiming to be Libertarians:
1.9 Self-Defense

The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights—life, liberty, and justly acquired property—against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other individual or group. We affirm the individual right recognized by the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. Private property owners should be free to establish their own conditions regarding the presence of personal defense weapons on their own property. We oppose all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition.

It's impossible to oppose all laws... because the government already restricts our right to small arms only, when they have much more powerful weapons that we're not allowed to have. So you can't own a bazooka because the government says you can't. So keep pretending that you have some Constitutional right that you don't actually have. Try not to be so gullible, that's how they want you.

1) Once again proving you're a Libertarian in name only.
2) The rich can afford that bazooka if they pay the fees. Again proving you support the elite, not the common man.
3) You obviously erroneously believe our rights are derived from the Constitution. Sorry, son, but that just ain't so.

You can't own tons of weapons that the military has and that you're not allowed to have, making the second amendment no protection at all. Stop pretending that you can.

Tell that to Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, and every other country that has pushed out better trained and armed invaders.......also tell it to the Swiss....their rifle armed citizens kept the nazis from invading their country during World War 2.......

 

[Mudda]

We already went through this, the actual numbers are still extremely high and that doesn't bother you. You like being afraid so that you have a reason to pack. We get it.

What was that number again and what percentage were suicides? Black-on-black murders?

For Libertarians, not LWLs claiming to be Libertarians:
1.9 Self-Defense

The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights—life, liberty, and justly acquired property—against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other individual or group. We affirm the individual right recognized by the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. Private property owners should be free to establish their own conditions regarding the presence of personal defense weapons on their own property. We oppose all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition.

It's impossible to oppose all laws... because the government already restricts our right to small arms only, when they have much more powerful weapons that we're not allowed to have. So you can't own a bazooka because the government says you can't. So keep pretending that you have some Constitutional right that you don't actually have. Try not to be so gullible, that's how they want you.

1) Once again proving you're a Libertarian in name only.
2) The rich can afford that bazooka if they pay the fees. Again proving you support the elite, not the common man.
3) You obviously erroneously believe our rights are derived from the Constitution. Sorry, son, but that just ain't so.

You can't own tons of weapons that the military has and that you're not allowed to have, making the second amendment no protection at all. Stop pretending that you can.

Tell that to Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, and every other country that has pushed out better trained and armed invaders.......also tell it to the Swiss....their rifle armed citizens kept the nazis from invading their country during World War 2.......

You're totally paranoid if you think another country is going to invade you. Well, except Mexico, they're taking back the southwest.

 

[Divine Wind]

The "status quo" lowered gun murder 49%.....gun crime 75%.....and violent crime 72%.......as Americans bought and carried more guns......

Locking up criminals would help lower it further.

We already went through this, the actual numbers are still extremely high and that doesn't bother you. You like being afraid so that you have a reason to pack. We get it.

What was that number again and what percentage were suicides? Black-on-black murders?

For Libertarians, not LWLs claiming to be Libertarians:
1.9 Self-Defense

The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights—life, liberty, and justly acquired property—against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other individual or group. We affirm the individual right recognized by the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. Private property owners should be free to establish their own conditions regarding the presence of personal defense weapons on their own property. We oppose all laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition.

It's impossible to oppose all laws... because the government already restricts our right to small arms only, when they have much more powerful weapons that we're not allowed to have. So you can't own a bazooka because the government says you can't. So keep pretending that you have some Constitutional right that you don't actually have. Try not to be so gullible, that's how they want you.

1) Once again proving you're a Libertarian in name only.
2) The rich can afford that bazooka if they pay the fees. Again proving you support the elite, not the common man.
3) You obviously erroneously believe our rights are derived from the Constitution. Sorry, son, but that just ain't so.

You can't own tons of weapons that the military has and that you're not allowed to have, making the second amendment no protection at all. Stop pretending that you can.

LOL Kid, you should stop pretending you know everything at 20.