peace proposal : 50% of Palestinian lands conquered by the Israelis given back, and halting of the settlement expansion.

[JoeB131]

i doubt the Crusaders had a Divine Mandate behind them though.

They thought they did. They were wrong. Because there is no God.

because they have a Divine Mandate, a whole Bible (their 'Torah'), behind them.
the Israelis, modern Zionists and Jews are not going to change their ways because a God that's hostile to them (Allah) and His People[1] say so, or force them into war. the Israelis and Zionists especially are quite a sturdy people with a taste for vengeance all of their own.

Um, Jews should have realized that God wasn't that into them after Hitler killed half of them. God was too busy "not existing" to do anything about it.

[1] the Muslims, the Palestinians and their supporters which have grown to considerable ranks and who (here in the West) are so far acting mostly peacefully, which should be noted.

Actually, what people are realizing is that the fluffy myths about plucky refugees making a desert bloom are giving way to a racist, colonial regime oppressing an indigenous people.

 

[JoeB131]

The pals dont want peace

They want all of the Holy Land minus the Jews

So why is this OUR problem?

 

[Mac-7]

So why is this OUR problem?

Because its the will of God

 

[peacefan]

The pals dont want peace

They want all of the Holy Land minus the Jews

repetition, repetition, of how that is quite unachievable, but co-existing in the same area is.

 

[peacefan]

They thought they did. They were wrong. Because there is no God.




Um, Jews should have realized that God wasn't that into them after Hitler killed half of them. God was too busy "not existing" to do anything about it.



Actually, what people are realizing is that the fluffy myths about plucky refugees making a desert bloom are giving way to a racist, colonial regime oppressing an indigenous people.

a PR campaign (one on both ends, i guess) certainly should be part of the solution.

 

[Mac-7]

repetition, repetition, of how that is quite unachievable, but co-existing in the same area is.

Dont tell me

Tell Hamas, who had unobstructed control of Gaza for 20 years before launching an attack on Israel

Your 2 state solution has already proven to be a failure

 

[peacefan]

Dont tell me

Tell Hamas, who had unobstructed control of Gaza for 20 years before launching an attack on Israel

Your 2 state solution has already proven to be a failure

under the current generations alive; perhaps.
but that doesn't need to stay that way.

 

[Mac-7]

under the current generations alive; perhaps.
but that doesn't need to stay that way.

True

But dont bet the rent money or hold your breath waiting for it to happen

 

[Sunni Man]

Meh, don't use your house as a rocket firing site and you will be fine.

So if a group of people took over your house at gun point and forced you and your family to live in the garage.
How long would you resist and try to force the invaders out of your house?
Or be a wimp and be happy living in the garage?

 

[rosends]

Such a plan would reward Arab violence and just encourage more. There have been plenty of opportunities for peace including unilateral withdrawals and offers of more than 50% (iirc correctly, today is the anniversary of one of the offers) and all have been rejected. Israel left Gaza and immediately, the rockets started. Ceding land is seen by the Atabs as weakness, not an offer of compromise.

 

[JoeB131]

Because its the will of God

You know, when my mom died of cancer, some nasty old nun who had made my childhood a living hell came to her wake and told me it was "God's Will".

Whenever some asshole says something is "God's Will", I want to completely frustrate that.

WHEN the Zionist Entity is pushed into the Sea, will that be "God's Will" too, or will you come up with some other bullshit excuse?

 

[fncceo]

well, take your pick :

Map of the Week: Unraveling the Borders of Israel and Palestine Through Time | Mappenstance.

but i personally think the 1947 borders look fair and realistic.

I prefer the 1967 borders.

 

[Slyhunter]

Israel was attacked in 1948. They used the advantage of higher land to increase their attack power and from which could hit any part of Israel with hand launched weapons. So after the war Israel took that land to better defend itself in the future. Israel won a defensive war they have rights to be repaid by those who started the war.

Then again they attacked in 1967 and after Israel won that war they took enough land to create a buffer between them and the Arabs. There should be a price to pay for starting a war and then loosing it.

The land was forfeited as payment for them starting the war and I believe Israel should've incorporated all of their land into Israel.

Israel is doing a good job bringing in the provided aid. It is not their fault militants is preventing it's distribution. And when Israel does something about those militants they are accused of firing on aid vehicles and killing innocent Palestinians so I guess they stopped protecting the aid deliveries. You folks are putting them in a no win situation.

In order for Israel to guarantee they will not be attacked again they need to obliterate Hamas. It is not Israels fault Hamas uses hospitals and civilian structures to house their militants. One example is when you folks accused Israel of attacking a hospital. Then Israel released the feed from that Hospitals own cameras showing the quick response by armed Hamas militants hiding out i n that hospital.

and again in order to connect Gaza to the west bank you would have to split Israel in half making it impossible for them to defend themselves, but then I guess that is what you really wanted isn't it?

If they had obliterated Israel in 48. 67. pr 23 you wouldn't care would you? You don't actually care about the civilians but about the Arabs getting a 52nd state.

 

[Mac-7]

You know, when my mom died of cancer, some nasty old nun who had made my childhood a living hell came to her wake and told me it was "God's Will".

Whenever some asshole says something is "God's Will", I want to completely frustrate that.

WHEN the Zionist Entity is pushed into the Sea, will that be "God's Will" too, or will you come up with some other bullshit excuse?

WHEN the Zionist Entity is pushed into the Sea, will that be "God's Will" too

Thats not going to happen

 

[JoeB131]

WHEN the Zionist Entity is pushed into the Sea, will that be "God's Will" too

Thats not going to happen

don't be so sure.

That's what the racists in South Africa thought...

 

[Slyhunter]

peace proposal : 50% of Palestinian lands conquered by the Israelis given back, and halting of the settlement expansion.

would that be enough for the Palestinians, i wonder?

If Israel agreed to your demands the next time the Arabs attack they will have a better chance of winning and that is what you really want isn't it?

 

[Rawley]

then the Palestinians need to be informed that in their case,
violent resistance is useless indeed.

by pamflet dropped from the sky if need be, over and over again,
in perpetuity, as counter measure against Hamas propaganda.

where the hell are your creative problem solving skills man?
peace is achievable.

JoeB Is honestly representing the Pali position - jews must go or die

 

[Mac-7]

don't be so sure.

That's what the racists in South Africa thought...

It wont happen

The Jews have been expelled from the Holy Land for the last time

 

[1srelluc]

So if a group of people took over your house at gun point and forced you and your family to live in the garage.
How long would you resist and try to force the invaders out of your house?
Or be a wimp and be happy living in the garage?

I'd likely die in place....The Palis should try it with the IDF and there would soon be a lot fewer of them.

They must be a bunch of wimps.

 

[Slyhunter]

JoeB Is honestly representing the Pali position - jews must go or die

but Israel has the might and under your logic it would be OK for Israel to kill all of the Palestinians.