peace proposal : 50% of Palestinian lands conquered by the Israelis given back, and halting of the settlement expansion.

[peacefan]

peace proposal : 50% of Palestinian lands conquered by the Israelis given back, and halting of the settlement expansion.

would that be enough for the Palestinians, i wonder?

 

[Shusha]

peace proposal : 50% of Palestinian lands conquered by the Israelis given back, and halting of the settlement expansion.

would that be enough for the Palestinians, i wonder?

In order to make this a valid discussion, you would have to define "Palestinian lands".

 

[peacefan]

i honestly believe this deal to have the support of the Gods and Primary Prophets of all 3 faiths involved; Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

and should this ever become a reality, then the vast/public majority of the credits for the deal can go to the politicians and diplomats involved.

 

[peacefan]

In order to make this a valid discussion, you would have to define "Palestinian lands".

well, take your pick :

Map of the Week: Unraveling the Borders of Israel and Palestine Through Time | Mappenstance.

but i personally think the 1947 borders look fair and realistic.

 

[wamose]

Nothing short of the complete removal of Jews is enough for Palestinians. They don't want peace. They want war that they can blame on Israel. The problem in the Middle East is militant Muslims that are jealous of all the Jewish accomplishments. They're trying to kill the competition rather than competing, just like Democrats are doing in this country. MAGA

 

[Mac-7]

peace proposal : 50% of Palestinian lands conquered by the Israelis given back, and halting of the settlement expansion.

would that be enough for the Palestinians, i wonder?

An Islamic Republic of Palestine is out of the question

It would be ruled by militants and stockpiled with rockets

 

[peacefan]

An Islamic Republic of Palestine is out of the question

It would be ruled by militants and stockpiled with rockets

not if you keep offering generous peace deals to them, i believe.
eventually, you'd get some sort of secret and/or public pro-peace movement going among them.
which can be fostered. which should be fostered.

 

[1srelluc]

I see no way in which Palis and Israelis can coexist....Ever.

Besides, given the reported Pali Authority casualty figures there should not be many of them left.

 

[JoeB131]

peace proposal : 50% of Palestinian lands conquered by the Israelis given back, and halting of the settlement expansion.

would that be enough for the Palestinians, i wonder?

Of course not.

If I took all your property by guile and violence, would you be happy if I gave half of it back to you?

I wouldn't. I would want it all back, and maybe give you an ass-kicking for my trouble.

 

[JoeB131]

An Islamic Republic of Palestine is out of the question

It would be ruled by militants and stockpiled with rockets

So? The Zionists had decades to make an arrangement with most secular and moderate factions of the Palestinians people.

Hamas became ascendent because Fatah was seen as a bunch of corrupt quislings.

 

[E. Pluribus]

It would require Jews to give. They don't give but they can get it for you wholesale.

 

[peacefan]

Of course not.

If I took all your property by guile and violence, would you be happy if I gave half of it back to you?

I wouldn't. I would want it all back, and maybe give you an ass-kicking for my trouble.

my my, ain't you the vengeful type...

 

[JoeB131]

my my, ain't you the vengeful type...

Absolutely.

If you bombed my kid's school and killed him, I wouldn't just want my land back.

And this is where the Zionists are with the Palistinians. They have to maintain their Apartheid State because they know that if the Palestinians ever got in charge, they'd seek revenge for 80 years of abuse.

 

[peacefan]

So? The Zionists had decades to make an arrangement with most secular and moderate factions of the Palestinians people.

Hamas became ascendent because Fatah was seen as a bunch of corrupt quislings.

and a lot of good (not!) did Hamas bring to the Palestinians, now did they?!

 

[peacefan]

Absolutely.

If you bombed my kid's school and killed him, I wouldn't just want my land back.

And this is where the Zionists are with the Palistinians. They have to maintain their Apartheid State because they know that if the Palestinians ever got in charge, they'd seek revenge for 80 years of abuse.

then the Palestinians need to be informed that in their case,
violent resistance is useless indeed.

by pamflet dropped from the sky if need be, over and over again,
in perpetuity, as counter measure against Hamas propaganda.

where the hell are your creative problem solving skills man?
peace is achievable.

 

[JoeB131]

and a lot of good (not!) did Hamas bring to the Palestinians, now did they?!

It depends on your long-term goal.

How long did it take to drive out the Crusaders? 200 years? But the Crusaders were driven out of the Holy Land, eventually.

then the Palestinians need to be informed that in their case,
violent resistance is useless indeed.

by pamflet dropped from the sky if need be, over and over again,
in perpetuity, as counter measure against Hamas propaganda.

where the hell are your creative problem solving skills man?
peace is achievable.

Sometimes "peace" is just another word for "Surrender".

Here's the better question? Why do the Zionists INSIST on living next to people who want to murder them? Let's leave off to the side whether or not the Palestinians are justified in wanting to murder them, the fact is that they do. If I knew my neighbors wanted to murder me, I'd move somewhere else, maybe next to people who didn't want to murder me.

 

[Sunni Man]

peace proposal : 50% of Palestinian lands conquered by the Israelis given back,

If someone broke into your house and stole all your possessions.
Than later gave you half of your stuff back, and now expects a handshake and a pat on the back for being fair.
Would you feel like that's a fair deal and let bygones be bygones?
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[peacefan]

If someone broke into your house and stole all your possessions.
Than later gave you half of your stuff back, and now expects a handshake and a pat on the back for being fair.
Would you feel like that's a fair deal and let bygones be bygones?
.......................................................................................

no it's not a fair deal. but it's better than raising your children to end up in the hands of a death cult (Hamas / Hezbollah).

It depends on your long-term goal.

How long did it take to drive out the Crusaders? 200 years? But the Crusaders were driven out of the Holy Land, eventually.

Crusades | Definition, History, Map, Significance, & Legacy

Crusades, military expeditions, beginning in the late 11th century, that were organized by western European Christians in response to centuries of Muslim wars of expansion. The Crusades took place from 1095 until the 16th century, when the advent of Protestantism led to the decline of papal...

www.britannica.com

Between 1095, when the First Crusade was launched, and 1291, when the Latin Christians were finally expelled from their kingdom in Syria, there were numerous expeditions to the Holy Land, to Spain, and even to the Baltic; the Crusades continued for several centuries after 1291.

i doubt the Crusaders had a Divine Mandate behind them though.

Sometimes "peace" is just another word for "Surrender".

Here's the better question? Why do the Zionists INSIST on living next to people who want to murder them? Let's leave off to the side whether or not the Palestinians are justified in wanting to murder them, the fact is that they do. If I knew my neighbors wanted to murder me, I'd move somewhere else, maybe next to people who didn't want to murder me.

because they have a Divine Mandate, a whole Bible (their 'Torah'), behind them.
the Israelis, modern Zionists and Jews are not going to change their ways because a God that's hostile to them (Allah) and His People[1] say so, or force them into war. the Israelis and Zionists especially are quite a sturdy people with a taste for vengeance all of their own.

[1] the Muslims, the Palestinians and their supporters which have grown to considerable ranks and who (here in the West) are so far acting mostly peacefully, which should be noted.

 

[1srelluc]

If someone broke into your house and stole all your possessions.
Than later gave you half of your stuff back, and now expects a handshake and a pat on the back for being fair.
Would you feel like that's a fair deal and let bygones be bygones?
.......................................................................................

Meh, don't use your house as a rocket firing site and you will be fine.

 

[Mac-7]

not if you keep offering generous peace deals to them, i believe.
eventually, you'd get some sort of secret and/or public pro-peace movement going among them.
which can be fostered. which should be fostered.

The pals dont want peace

They want all of the Holy Land minus the Jews