Paul Ryan's Big Reform Ideas: A Winner.

[The Rabbi]

Let's see the mouth breathing asshats here argue the present system works well and needs no reform.
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[deltex1]

Let me answer for the asshats. "The republican congress refuses to act on the game changing ideas offered by Obama, Reid and Pelosi. They want to protect big business on the backs of the middle class. They won't even allocate money for the starving children of Honduras."

 

[deltex1]

I thought I could upset the LIBTARDS enough that they would bark at the Rabbi...I guess they know better.

 

[ogibillm]

I have a problem with opening up accreditation. that seems like a good way to flood the market with sub-standard education.

i don't disagree with his idea for expanding the eitc, but that program is already heavily abused. i also don't see it as an either/or situation between that and a raise in the minimum wage. thinking there would be a way to give that grant out with paychecks seems awfully bureaucratic and and untenable.

FAFSA isn't complicated, and schools always have someone available to help get it filled out correctly. There are already resources to estimate grants and aid.
I don't dislike the idea of capping student loans to graduate students - but if that happens I'd like to see things like the Pell grants extended to grad students. I also think that student loans should be tied to progress - if you aren't making acceptable progress towards your degree than you aren't eligible for loans. That may already exist, I've never taken out a student loan myself.
I absolutely abhor the idea of giving parents control of the federal education money for their children's primary and secondary education. most parents are idiots and it would make for unstable schools.

not gonna lie, a lot of his proposals don't sound bad as presented here, but then, a lot of them also sound like an expansion of government.

 

[bendog]

I don't like the notion of organizations making a profit from delivering aid, and I'd cap the % of total expenditures that non-profits can use for administration of a program. But, he's really the only goper with a chance in hell of winning the nomination whom I'd consider voting for, and I don't doubt his sincerity.

 

[Ava]

I don't like the notion of organizations making a profit from delivering aid, and I'd cap the % of total expenditures that non-profits can use for administration of a program. But, he's really the only goper with a chance in hell of winning the nomination whom I'd consider voting for, and I don't doubt his sincerity.

I don't doubt his sincerity either. But I am wondering if he is a RINO? I haven't heard much of him lately... He is a likable guy and that IS important for a candidate to win.

 

[ogibillm]

I don't like the notion of organizations making a profit from delivering aid, and I'd cap the % of total expenditures that non-profits can use for administration of a program. But, he's really the only goper with a chance in hell of winning the nomination whom I'd consider voting for, and I don't doubt his sincerity.

this is a big problem for me as well. just like in missouri with the license bureaus being privately operated the granting of contracts for aid management would quickly become a tool for kickbacks.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The mouth breathing far right reactionaries with their anti-American agendas want bloc grants again, much like that the last time proposed by Ryan.

Go away, not going to happen.

 

[The Rabbi]

I don't like the notion of organizations making a profit from delivering aid, and I'd cap the % of total expenditures that non-profits can use for administration of a program. But, he's really the only goper with a chance in hell of winning the nomination whom I'd consider voting for, and I don't doubt his sincerity.

You have a problem with people making profit, period.

This is a liberal disease. Somehow profit making institutions like Hobby Lobby are evil but government institutions like the VA are peopled by saints.

 

[bendog]

Well, I'm not going to say that private entities cannot do govt functions more efficiently and for less cost. I'm not hostile to charter schools, esp where the public schools are failures. But charity? I'm sure Catholic Charities and local food banks can do it better. I've seen that. But making a profit from it? That just seems wrong.

But, obviously Ryan cares about this issue, and he's not doing class warfare. His record on cutting funding for charity is fair game, but really getting people off the dole and to work and spending less should be the goal. And, it's not like he's grandstanding like Perry in calling out the Guard to arrest children who are already looking for border agents to whom they can surrender. Ryan's actually offering some leadership ... which may make him unique in Washington.

 

[bendog]

Rabbi be so witty.

 

[jillian]

I don't like the notion of organizations making a profit from delivering aid, and I'd cap the % of total expenditures that non-profits can use for administration of a program. But, he's really the only goper with a chance in hell of winning the nomination whom I'd consider voting for, and I don't doubt his sincerity.

You have a problem with people making profit, period.

This is a liberal disease. Somehow profit making institutions like Hobby Lobby are evil but government institutions like the VA are peopled by saints.

no one has a problem with people "making a profit". but there are some things that are governmental functions and not intended for corporatists to exploit

do you have a problem with not exploiting workers and the public?

 

[bendog]

I don't like the notion of organizations making a profit from delivering aid, and I'd cap the % of total expenditures that non-profits can use for administration of a program. But, he's really the only goper with a chance in hell of winning the nomination whom I'd consider voting for, and I don't doubt his sincerity.

You have a problem with people making profit, period.

This is a liberal disease. Somehow profit making institutions like Hobby Lobby are evil but government institutions like the VA are peopled by saints.

no one has a problem with people "making a profit". but there are some things that are governmental functions and not intended for corporatists to exploit

do you have a problem with not exploiting workers and the public?

Don't help him out. It's sort of fun to watch him trying to cross a street by himself.

 

[The Rabbi]

You have a problem with people making profit, period.

This is a liberal disease. Somehow profit making institutions like Hobby Lobby are evil but government institutions like the VA are peopled by saints.

no one has a problem with people "making a profit". but there are some things that are governmental functions and not intended for corporatists to exploit

do you have a problem with not exploiting workers and the public?

Don't help him out. It's sort of fun to watch him trying to cross a street by himself.

Hint: When you and a known liar, poseur, and ignoramus agree it's time to reconsider your position.

Yes, I hit the nail on the head. You hate profit. Somehow it is wrong and dirty, like masturbation or something. But you just can't quite explain why.
See Silly Jilly and her comments on exploitation. To her all profit is exploitation.

 

[g5000]

I'm all for profit making. The problem is that when government gets involved, the market is always distorted. The profit-making venture becomes a means unto itself. If one is making money off a problem, one is not exactly motivated to see the problem end. Profit makers actually have to grow to survive. That's great when the product is MP3 players, but not great when the product is prisons.

 

[g5000]

As for the EITC, I think I have made my opposition to any and all tax expenditures pretty clear by now.

 

[ogibillm]

I'm all for profit making. The problem is that when government gets involved, the market is always distorted. The profit-making venture becomes a means unto itself. If one is making money off a problem, one is not exactly motivated to see the problem end. Profit makers actually have to grow to survive. That's great when the product is MP3 players, but not great when the product is prisons.

So if your company is paid to distribute aid are you saying there would be no profit motive to curb or eliminate the need for that aid? Imagine that!

 

[bendog]

As for the EITC, I think I have made my opposition to any and all tax expenditures pretty clear by now.

I wondered about that. I'm not opposed to using taxes to encourage work, but what's Ryan's notion in just allowing single lower income folks to keep more. What's his purpose?

 

[g5000]

I'm all for profit making. The problem is that when government gets involved, the market is always distorted. The profit-making venture becomes a means unto itself. If one is making money off a problem, one is not exactly motivated to see the problem end. Profit makers actually have to grow to survive. That's great when the product is MP3 players, but not great when the product is prisons.

So if your company is paid to distribute aid are you saying there would be no profit motive to curb or eliminate the need for that aid? Imagine that!

I am now going to quote Ronald Reagan:

"No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. So governments' programs, once launched, never disappear.

"Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth."

 

[bendog]

I'm all for profit making. The problem is that when government gets involved, the market is always distorted. The profit-making venture becomes a means unto itself. If one is making money off a problem, one is not exactly motivated to see the problem end. Profit makers actually have to grow to survive. That's great when the product is MP3 players, but not great when the product is prisons.

So if your company is paid to distribute aid are you saying there would be no profit motive to curb or eliminate the need for that aid? Imagine that!

I am now going to quote Ronald Reagan:

"No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. So governments' programs, once launched, never disappear.

"Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth."

yet, Reagan sought to make the govt programs more responsive to need than to federal bureaucrats.