Parties Fighting Legal Battle Over Naked Ballots In Penn..

[buckeye45_73]

First the in-person voting was fraudulent...now you guys suddenly prefer it to voting by mail?

It sounds like conserve-hate-ives just don't want more people voting.

Apparently - regardless of how the voting occurs...if it benefits or is mythologized as benefiting Dems it's fraudulent.

That said, it does seem as if there are a lot of valid issues. Lack of good planning for large scale mailings and a concerted effort by the Republicans to suppress voting.

It's not that....its stupid to do this....there is a lack of control.....

Ballots should be treated like evidence in an investigation......if you can't see the chain of custody from voter to counter...than it's not valid....just like evidence

and mail in ballots require a more work and intelligence to fill out and mail back correctly.......democrats are not known to be the sharpest tools in the shed and have had many ballot issues in the past

The same person counting ballots filed in person is counting ballots by mail. There is no "lack of control". It's a manufactured lack of confidence instilled by Trump.

Several states have been voting by mail for years. Nobody ever questioned the validity of those elections in the past.

Well Oregon is not the entire US......sorry, that doesnt matter.......
It's not who is counting the ballot, it's the chain....read my post again.....

Yeah...your post was nonsense. It's not evidence in a trial. It's a ballot. Again, nobody in those states (more than Oregon) ever raised a peep about "the chain". Nor have they done so with the military who has been voting by mail for about a century. Your blob programmed you to be outraged about this and you're not disappointing your master.

You're confused about Absentee ballots and MASS MAILING of UNSOLICITED ballots.. The difference (or one of them) is about a 4 to 10 fold INCREASE in volume for clearing and entering them.. Nevermind the issues of security and "chain of custody" issues where all kinds of paws including less than scrupulous "ballot harvestors" are intercepting 100s of ballots sitting in lobbies of apartment buildings and not put INTO individual mailboxes..

NONE of that happened with "military vote by mail". ONLY security on MASS mail ballots is the signature and the ERROR RATES on signatures is about 10 times the margin of victory in many states in the 2016 election..

Colorado, for one, mails a ballot to every registered voter. Again, up until you were programmed to whine about it...nobody ever questioned the validity of their elections.

Well for one, that's the only way I Can explain Dickenpooper being elected twice.....but outside of that...I didn't like it, I only did it in 2014.

 

[candycorn]

First the in-person voting was fraudulent...now you guys suddenly prefer it to voting by mail?

It sounds like conserve-hate-ives just don't want more people voting.

Apparently - regardless of how the voting occurs...if it benefits or is mythologized as benefiting Dems it's fraudulent.

That said, it does seem as if there are a lot of valid issues. Lack of good planning for large scale mailings and a concerted effort by the Republicans to suppress voting.

It's not that....its stupid to do this....there is a lack of control.....

Ballots should be treated like evidence in an investigation......if you can't see the chain of custody from voter to counter...than it's not valid....just like evidence

and mail in ballots require a more work and intelligence to fill out and mail back correctly.......democrats are not known to be the sharpest tools in the shed and have had many ballot issues in the past

The same person counting ballots filed in person is counting ballots by mail. There is no "lack of control". It's a manufactured lack of confidence instilled by Trump.

Several states have been voting by mail for years. Nobody ever questioned the validity of those elections in the past.

Well Oregon is not the entire US......sorry, that doesnt matter.......
It's not who is counting the ballot, it's the chain....read my post again.....

Yeah...your post was nonsense. It's not evidence in a trial. It's a ballot. Again, nobody in those states (more than Oregon) ever raised a peep about "the chain". Nor have they done so with the military who has been voting by mail for about a century. Your blob programmed you to be outraged about this and you're not disappointing your master.

You're confused about Absentee ballots and MASS MAILING of UNSOLICITED ballots.. The difference (or one of them) is about a 4 to 10 fold INCREASE in volume for clearing and entering them.. Nevermind the issues of security and "chain of custody" issues where all kinds of paws including less than scrupulous "ballot harvestors" are intercepting 100s of ballots sitting in lobbies of apartment buildings and not put INTO individual mailboxes..

NONE of that happened with "military vote by mail". ONLY security on MASS mail ballots is the signature and the ERROR RATES on signatures is about 10 times the margin of victory in many states in the 2016 election..

great comparison......the dems again, have an emotional conniption and think they can win with the process......one of these days they will start focusing on issues and not the process as a way to win elections.

You guys are the ones whining about the process.

Uh the left is the ones that whine about the process.....this is a new thing and it's not secure.....you guys whined about the types of ballots, the electoral college, voting hours, voting locations....you know stuff we have been doing for 200 years......we do have a problem with mail in........and after this election, you guys will be hating it worse than the electoral college.

Yet, here you are....whining about the process.

YEs, this time, because it will be a disaster...and we're still going to win....now the fact that it will be messy and twist the knife in you guys more, will be nice, I can't say I won't laugh my ass off, but we have warned you.....so I don't want to hear about mail fraud or any bullshit from you guys, because you act like it can't happen...we'll see on Nov4,

You've been whining about shit for 4 years. And you'll be whining about shit until they close the casket on you.

 

[buckeye45_73]

First the in-person voting was fraudulent...now you guys suddenly prefer it to voting by mail?

It sounds like conserve-hate-ives just don't want more people voting.

Apparently - regardless of how the voting occurs...if it benefits or is mythologized as benefiting Dems it's fraudulent.

That said, it does seem as if there are a lot of valid issues. Lack of good planning for large scale mailings and a concerted effort by the Republicans to suppress voting.

If you can't read the instructions -which are no doubt printed in multiple languages- then put the included privacy envelope inside the mailing envelope, then you're too goddamn stupid to have your vote count.

It's not cheating.....You are certifiable dopes.

Fuck you.

Who said it was cheating?





Oh...wait. That was you guys wasn't it?

it's not secure......that's the problem, it opens a pandora's box of cheating......at least you guys will be happy, more stuff to bitch about when you lose.

...yet it's been done for years in multiple states...without widespread fraud.

Well if that's true, you guys are the ones bitching about the head of the US Postal Service. ALREADY........we haven't even started yet and the left is already bitching....not about the concept, but about the actual process...ALREADY

You mean the head of the postal service that tried to implement changes shortly before the national election that would have created huge problems for the mail in ballots?

AH HA.......so now we have an issue?
are you saying there is a problem?

 

[flacaltenn]

First the in-person voting was fraudulent...now you guys suddenly prefer it to voting by mail?

It sounds like conserve-hate-ives just don't want more people voting.

Apparently - regardless of how the voting occurs...if it benefits or is mythologized as benefiting Dems it's fraudulent.

That said, it does seem as if there are a lot of valid issues. Lack of good planning for large scale mailings and a concerted effort by the Republicans to suppress voting.

If you can't read the instructions -which are no doubt printed in multiple languages- then put the included privacy envelope inside the mailing envelope, then you're too goddamn stupid to have your vote count.

It's not cheating.....You are certifiable dopes.

Fuck you.

Who said it was cheating?





Oh...wait. That was you guys wasn't it?

it's not secure......that's the problem, it opens a pandora's box of cheating......at least you guys will be happy, more stuff to bitch about when you lose.

...yet it's been done for years in multiple states...without widespread fraud.

You're already making that global assertion AGAIN.. Not even 1 day after being shown a royal clusterfuck of a "Mass mail" tiny muni election resulting in no OUTCOME and two candidates getting indicted on multiple voting fraud charges and 20% of the ballots being tossed out for irregularities...

How do you forget so quickly? Can we go back to the other thread and I'll give you a half dozen MORE "mass mail" voting clusterfucks from THIS YEAR??

 

[Coyote]

First the in-person voting was fraudulent...now you guys suddenly prefer it to voting by mail?

It sounds like conserve-hate-ives just don't want more people voting.

Apparently - regardless of how the voting occurs...if it benefits or is mythologized as benefiting Dems it's fraudulent.

That said, it does seem as if there are a lot of valid issues. Lack of good planning for large scale mailings and a concerted effort by the Republicans to suppress voting.

If you can't read the instructions -which are no doubt printed in multiple languages- then put the included privacy envelope inside the mailing envelope, then you're too goddamn stupid to have your vote count.

It's not cheating.....You are certifiable dopes.

Fuck you.

Who said it was cheating?





Oh...wait. That was you guys wasn't it?

it's not secure......that's the problem, it opens a pandora's box of cheating......at least you guys will be happy, more stuff to bitch about when you lose.

...yet it's been done for years in multiple states...without widespread fraud.

You're already making that global assertion AGAIN.. Not even 1 day after being shown a royal clusterfuck of a "Mass mail" tiny muni election resulting in no OUTCOME and two candidates getting indicted on multiple voting fraud charges and 20% of the ballots being tossed out for irregularities...

How do you forget so quickly? Can we go back to the other thread and I'll give you a half dozen MORE "mass mail" voting clusterfucks from THIS YEAR??

Global. Well let's talk about what you make global: mass cheating.

That means you totally ignore (or discount) where it is successfully done.

 

[Coyote]

First the in-person voting was fraudulent...now you guys suddenly prefer it to voting by mail?

It sounds like conserve-hate-ives just don't want more people voting.

Apparently - regardless of how the voting occurs...if it benefits or is mythologized as benefiting Dems it's fraudulent.

That said, it does seem as if there are a lot of valid issues. Lack of good planning for large scale mailings and a concerted effort by the Republicans to suppress voting.

If you can't read the instructions -which are no doubt printed in multiple languages- then put the included privacy envelope inside the mailing envelope, then you're too goddamn stupid to have your vote count.

It's not cheating.....You are certifiable dopes.

Fuck you.

Who said it was cheating?





Oh...wait. That was you guys wasn't it?

it's not secure......that's the problem, it opens a pandora's box of cheating......at least you guys will be happy, more stuff to bitch about when you lose.

...yet it's been done for years in multiple states...without widespread fraud.

You're already making that global assertion AGAIN.. Not even 1 day after being shown a royal clusterfuck of a "Mass mail" tiny muni election resulting in no OUTCOME and two candidates getting indicted on multiple voting fraud charges and 20% of the ballots being tossed out for irregularities...

How do you forget so quickly? Can we go back to the other thread and I'll give you a half dozen MORE "mass mail" voting clusterfucks from THIS YEAR??

She's not forgetting...She's dishonest as hell.

Says Mr. Godwin.

 

[buckeye45_73]

First the in-person voting was fraudulent...now you guys suddenly prefer it to voting by mail?

It sounds like conserve-hate-ives just don't want more people voting.

Apparently - regardless of how the voting occurs...if it benefits or is mythologized as benefiting Dems it's fraudulent.

That said, it does seem as if there are a lot of valid issues. Lack of good planning for large scale mailings and a concerted effort by the Republicans to suppress voting.

It's not that....its stupid to do this....there is a lack of control.....

Ballots should be treated like evidence in an investigation......if you can't see the chain of custody from voter to counter...than it's not valid....just like evidence

and mail in ballots require a more work and intelligence to fill out and mail back correctly.......democrats are not known to be the sharpest tools in the shed and have had many ballot issues in the past

The same person counting ballots filed in person is counting ballots by mail. There is no "lack of control". It's a manufactured lack of confidence instilled by Trump.

Several states have been voting by mail for years. Nobody ever questioned the validity of those elections in the past.

Well Oregon is not the entire US......sorry, that doesnt matter.......
It's not who is counting the ballot, it's the chain....read my post again.....

Yeah...your post was nonsense. It's not evidence in a trial. It's a ballot. Again, nobody in those states (more than Oregon) ever raised a peep about "the chain". Nor have they done so with the military who has been voting by mail for about a century. Your blob programmed you to be outraged about this and you're not disappointing your master.

You're confused about Absentee ballots and MASS MAILING of UNSOLICITED ballots.. The difference (or one of them) is about a 4 to 10 fold INCREASE in volume for clearing and entering them.. Nevermind the issues of security and "chain of custody" issues where all kinds of paws including less than scrupulous "ballot harvestors" are intercepting 100s of ballots sitting in lobbies of apartment buildings and not put INTO individual mailboxes..

NONE of that happened with "military vote by mail". ONLY security on MASS mail ballots is the signature and the ERROR RATES on signatures is about 10 times the margin of victory in many states in the 2016 election..

great comparison......the dems again, have an emotional conniption and think they can win with the process......one of these days they will start focusing on issues and not the process as a way to win elections.

You guys are the ones whining about the process.

Uh the left is the ones that whine about the process.....this is a new thing and it's not secure.....you guys whined about the types of ballots, the electoral college, voting hours, voting locations....you know stuff we have been doing for 200 years......we do have a problem with mail in........and after this election, you guys will be hating it worse than the electoral college.

Yet, here you are....whining about the process.

YEs, this time, because it will be a disaster...and we're still going to win....now the fact that it will be messy and twist the knife in you guys more, will be nice, I can't say I won't laugh my ass off, but we have warned you.....so I don't want to hear about mail fraud or any bullshit from you guys, because you act like it can't happen...we'll see on Nov4,

You've been whining about shit for 4 years. And you'll be whining about shit until they close the casket on you.

No, I've been enjoying your salty tears for the past 4 years
I jerk off to lefty videos, screaming at the sky

This one gets me off pretty quick

And I bet your hand even falls asleep on your.

With that gold.....no way...that's like 70s porn.....it doesnt get any better

 

[flacaltenn]

Those 9 votes that trump and barr tried to use to say that all his votes will be thrown out, were votes sent in without that secrecy sleeve. So according to what the law says, what trump and you followers want, those without that shield should be thrown out without being counted.

You talking about the ballots in the Wisconsin ditch? Not aware that Trump or Barr had weighed in.. NEED A LINK...

AND -- you're wrong about that load of mail being refuse.. If it WAS -- the FBI and Postal Inspectors wouldn't be investigating.. Got a link for THAT? No -- you dont...

They are investigating because this is PARTISAN driven.

No kiddo.. They're investigating BECAUSE they are voting ballots.. And it's NOT secure to even TOSS them as garbage..

Tell me..have they investigated EVERY situation like that?

Apparently NOT: Feds, In Unusual Statement, Announce They're Investigating A Few Discarded Ballots

So THAT'S the nine ballots that DANA was talking about.. OK.. THanks.. Not the couple DOZEN found in a Wisconsin ditch...

Remember what I said about incompetence, poor design, poor implementation??? Here's the PROOF.... From your link ---

Based on interviews, however, Freed said investigators had concluded that all the envelopes — likely a very small number — that had been received by the Luzerne County Board of Elections were opened "as a matter of course."

Workers, he wrote, explained that the envelopes used for mail ballot requests were so similar to the ones used for returned mail ballots that they believed they would miss requests if they preserved all the envelopes unopened.

That's inexcusable. Should be marked 2020 National Election Ballot right on the OUTER envelope. This is why RATIONAL folks are VERY pessimistic about the country surviving this huge mistake...

The rest of you don't care.. No big deal if 20% of mail-ins get mishandled, not in security envelopes, or end up in ditches or get bundled and dropped in mailboxes by who knows who.. That's why we don't TRUST the left to TOUCH the election system..

 

[Coyote]

This one really turns me on too

I like this one. Total righty Karen meltdown.


https://www.dailydot.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/border-wall-karen-1.jpg

 

[buckeye45_73]

First the in-person voting was fraudulent...now you guys suddenly prefer it to voting by mail?

It sounds like conserve-hate-ives just don't want more people voting.

Apparently - regardless of how the voting occurs...if it benefits or is mythologized as benefiting Dems it's fraudulent.

That said, it does seem as if there are a lot of valid issues. Lack of good planning for large scale mailings and a concerted effort by the Republicans to suppress voting.

If you can't read the instructions -which are no doubt printed in multiple languages- then put the included privacy envelope inside the mailing envelope, then you're too goddamn stupid to have your vote count.

It's not cheating.....You are certifiable dopes.

Fuck you.

Who said it was cheating?





Oh...wait. That was you guys wasn't it?

it's not secure......that's the problem, it opens a pandora's box of cheating......at least you guys will be happy, more stuff to bitch about when you lose.

...yet it's been done for years in multiple states...without widespread fraud.

You're already making that global assertion AGAIN.. Not even 1 day after being shown a royal clusterfuck of a "Mass mail" tiny muni election resulting in no OUTCOME and two candidates getting indicted on multiple voting fraud charges and 20% of the ballots being tossed out for irregularities...

How do you forget so quickly? Can we go back to the other thread and I'll give you a half dozen MORE "mass mail" voting clusterfucks from THIS YEAR??

Global. Well let's talk about what you make global: mass cheating.

That means you totally ignore (or discount) where it is successfully done.

No we don't, the problem is you have the old idea of something good, then make it bigger......
It doesn't work like that.....if you could guarantee mail voting would be as secure as in person then I would be for it...because I'm lazy.....but you can't

Backfire: Dems Suddenly Pivoting to Promoting In Person Voting, the Reason Why Tells You Everything

www.redstate.com

A fresh Pennsylvania state Supreme Court ruling could impact tens of thousands of ballots in that swing state.
In Florida, voters are twice as likely to have their absentee ballot rejected if they’ve never voted that way before, University of Florida political science professor Dan Smith told Axios.
In North Carolina, “Black voters’ ballots are being rejected at more than four times the rate of white voters,” per FiveThirtyEight. Overall, data shows new, younger, Black and Hispanic voters are more likely to have their ballots rejected.
More than 550k mail-in ballots were rejected during the presidential primaries this year, per an NPR analysis.

Guess what NC is run by democrats, so you can't use the tired bullshit of racism....it's not going to go well.......and we know if this happens on election day, you guys will lose your shit.....which is fine, because I'll have more videos to pleasure myself to.

 

[buckeye45_73]

This one really turns me on too

I like this one. Total righty Karen meltdown.


https://www.dailydot.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/border-wall-karen-1.jpg

What am I looking at, there is no context...

 

[Coyote]

Those 9 votes that trump and barr tried to use to say that all his votes will be thrown out, were votes sent in without that secrecy sleeve. So according to what the law says, what trump and you followers want, those without that shield should be thrown out without being counted.

You talking about the ballots in the Wisconsin ditch? Not aware that Trump or Barr had weighed in.. NEED A LINK...

AND -- you're wrong about that load of mail being refuse.. If it WAS -- the FBI and Postal Inspectors wouldn't be investigating.. Got a link for THAT? No -- you dont...

They are investigating because this is PARTISAN driven.

No kiddo.. They're investigating BECAUSE they are voting ballots.. And it's NOT secure to even TOSS them as garbage..

Tell me..have they investigated EVERY situation like that?

Apparently NOT: Feds, In Unusual Statement, Announce They're Investigating A Few Discarded Ballots

So THAT'S the nine ballots that DANA was talking about.. OK.. THanks.. Not the couple DOZEN found in a Wisconsin ditch...

Remember what I said about incompetence, poor design, poor implementation??? Here's the PROOF.... From your link ---

Based on interviews, however, Freed said investigators had concluded that all the envelopes — likely a very small number — that had been received by the Luzerne County Board of Elections were opened "as a matter of course."

Workers, he wrote, explained that the envelopes used for mail ballot requests were so similar to the ones used for returned mail ballots that they believed they would miss requests if they preserved all the envelopes unopened.

That's inexcusable. Should be marked 2020 National Election Ballot right on the OUTER envelope. This is why RATIONAL folks are VERY pessimistic about the country surviving this huge mistake...

The rest of you don't care.. No big deal if 20% of mail-ins get mishandled, not in security envelopes, or end up in ditches or get bundled and dropped in mailboxes by who knows who.. That's why we don't TRUST the left to TOUCH the election system..

Can you give us ANY good reason why we should trust the RIGHT to TOUCH the election system?

North Carolina GOP Operative Faces New Felony Charges That Allege Ballot Fraud

Leslie McCrae Dowless is accused of leading a scheme to illegally collect, sign and mail in absentee ballots. An investigation into allegations of fraud overturned a 2018 congressional race.

www.npr.org

 

[Coyote]

First the in-person voting was fraudulent...now you guys suddenly prefer it to voting by mail?

It sounds like conserve-hate-ives just don't want more people voting.

Apparently - regardless of how the voting occurs...if it benefits or is mythologized as benefiting Dems it's fraudulent.

That said, it does seem as if there are a lot of valid issues. Lack of good planning for large scale mailings and a concerted effort by the Republicans to suppress voting.

If you can't read the instructions -which are no doubt printed in multiple languages- then put the included privacy envelope inside the mailing envelope, then you're too goddamn stupid to have your vote count.

It's not cheating.....You are certifiable dopes.

Fuck you.

Who said it was cheating?





Oh...wait. That was you guys wasn't it?

it's not secure......that's the problem, it opens a pandora's box of cheating......at least you guys will be happy, more stuff to bitch about when you lose.

...yet it's been done for years in multiple states...without widespread fraud.

You're already making that global assertion AGAIN.. Not even 1 day after being shown a royal clusterfuck of a "Mass mail" tiny muni election resulting in no OUTCOME and two candidates getting indicted on multiple voting fraud charges and 20% of the ballots being tossed out for irregularities...

How do you forget so quickly? Can we go back to the other thread and I'll give you a half dozen MORE "mass mail" voting clusterfucks from THIS YEAR??

Global. Well let's talk about what you make global: mass cheating.

That means you totally ignore (or discount) where it is successfully done.

No we don't, the problem is you have the old idea of something good, then make it bigger......
It doesn't work like that.....if you could guarantee mail voting would be as secure as in person then I would be for it...because I'm lazy.....but you can't

Backfire: Dems Suddenly Pivoting to Promoting In Person Voting, the Reason Why Tells You Everything

www.redstate.com

A fresh Pennsylvania state Supreme Court ruling could impact tens of thousands of ballots in that swing state.
In Florida, voters are twice as likely to have their absentee ballot rejected if they’ve never voted that way before, University of Florida political science professor Dan Smith told Axios.
In North Carolina, “Black voters’ ballots are being rejected at more than four times the rate of white voters,” per FiveThirtyEight. Overall, data shows new, younger, Black and Hispanic voters are more likely to have their ballots rejected.
More than 550k mail-in ballots were rejected during the presidential primaries this year, per an NPR analysis.

Guess what NC is run by democrats, so you can't use the tired bullshit of racism....it's not going to go well.......and we know if this happens on election day, you guys will lose your shit.....which is fine, because I'll have more videos to pleasure myself to.

Guess what.

North Carolina is not run by Democrats. The Senate and House are Republican, and prior to the last election, the Governor was.

Any more bullshit on that?

 

[buckeye45_73]

First the in-person voting was fraudulent...now you guys suddenly prefer it to voting by mail?

It sounds like conserve-hate-ives just don't want more people voting.

Apparently - regardless of how the voting occurs...if it benefits or is mythologized as benefiting Dems it's fraudulent.

That said, it does seem as if there are a lot of valid issues. Lack of good planning for large scale mailings and a concerted effort by the Republicans to suppress voting.

If you can't read the instructions -which are no doubt printed in multiple languages- then put the included privacy envelope inside the mailing envelope, then you're too goddamn stupid to have your vote count.

It's not cheating.....You are certifiable dopes.

Fuck you.

Who said it was cheating?





Oh...wait. That was you guys wasn't it?

it's not secure......that's the problem, it opens a pandora's box of cheating......at least you guys will be happy, more stuff to bitch about when you lose.

...yet it's been done for years in multiple states...without widespread fraud.

You're already making that global assertion AGAIN.. Not even 1 day after being shown a royal clusterfuck of a "Mass mail" tiny muni election resulting in no OUTCOME and two candidates getting indicted on multiple voting fraud charges and 20% of the ballots being tossed out for irregularities...

How do you forget so quickly? Can we go back to the other thread and I'll give you a half dozen MORE "mass mail" voting clusterfucks from THIS YEAR??

Global. Well let's talk about what you make global: mass cheating.

That means you totally ignore (or discount) where it is successfully done.

No we don't, the problem is you have the old idea of something good, then make it bigger......
It doesn't work like that.....if you could guarantee mail voting would be as secure as in person then I would be for it...because I'm lazy.....but you can't

Backfire: Dems Suddenly Pivoting to Promoting In Person Voting, the Reason Why Tells You Everything

www.redstate.com

A fresh Pennsylvania state Supreme Court ruling could impact tens of thousands of ballots in that swing state.
In Florida, voters are twice as likely to have their absentee ballot rejected if they’ve never voted that way before, University of Florida political science professor Dan Smith told Axios.
In North Carolina, “Black voters’ ballots are being rejected at more than four times the rate of white voters,” per FiveThirtyEight. Overall, data shows new, younger, Black and Hispanic voters are more likely to have their ballots rejected.
More than 550k mail-in ballots were rejected during the presidential primaries this year, per an NPR analysis.

Guess what NC is run by democrats, so you can't use the tired bullshit of racism....it's not going to go well.......and we know if this happens on election day, you guys will lose your shit.....which is fine, because I'll have more videos to pleasure myself to.

Guess what.

North Carolina is not run by Democrats. The Senate and House are Republican, and prior to the last election, the Governor was.

Any more bullshit on that?

The governor is a democrat, so it's run by the D.....

 

[flacaltenn]

First the in-person voting was fraudulent...now you guys suddenly prefer it to voting by mail?

It sounds like conserve-hate-ives just don't want more people voting.

Apparently - regardless of how the voting occurs...if it benefits or is mythologized as benefiting Dems it's fraudulent.

That said, it does seem as if there are a lot of valid issues. Lack of good planning for large scale mailings and a concerted effort by the Republicans to suppress voting.

If you can't read the instructions -which are no doubt printed in multiple languages- then put the included privacy envelope inside the mailing envelope, then you're too goddamn stupid to have your vote count.

It's not cheating.....You are certifiable dopes.

Fuck you.

Who said it was cheating?





Oh...wait. That was you guys wasn't it?

it's not secure......that's the problem, it opens a pandora's box of cheating......at least you guys will be happy, more stuff to bitch about when you lose.

...yet it's been done for years in multiple states...without widespread fraud.

You're already making that global assertion AGAIN.. Not even 1 day after being shown a royal clusterfuck of a "Mass mail" tiny muni election resulting in no OUTCOME and two candidates getting indicted on multiple voting fraud charges and 20% of the ballots being tossed out for irregularities...

How do you forget so quickly? Can we go back to the other thread and I'll give you a half dozen MORE "mass mail" voting clusterfucks from THIS YEAR??

Global. Well let's talk about what you make global: mass cheating.

That means you totally ignore (or discount) where it is successfully done.

HAS NEVER HAD the accuracy of voting in person.. Or the competence of handling something that valuable.. EVERYWHERE ya look -- it's been used -- but the error rates and rejects and voter mistakes invalid 5 or 10 TIMES the ballots that voting in person does..

If you want CONVENIENCE and not ACCURACY and GUARANTEES that your vote counts -- it sucks. Because that greater reject and error rate is FAR BIGGER than the "win margins" that we are seeing in elections.. It's DESIGN Sister.. And ANALYSIS.,. Not the number of things mailed or levers pulled..

 

[candycorn]

Those 9 votes that trump and barr tried to use to say that all his votes will be thrown out, were votes sent in without that secrecy sleeve. So according to what the law says, what trump and you followers want, those without that shield should be thrown out without being counted.

You talking about the ballots in the Wisconsin ditch? Not aware that Trump or Barr had weighed in.. NEED A LINK...

AND -- you're wrong about that load of mail being refuse.. If it WAS -- the FBI and Postal Inspectors wouldn't be investigating.. Got a link for THAT? No -- you dont...

They are investigating because this is PARTISAN driven.

No kiddo.. They're investigating BECAUSE they are voting ballots.. And it's NOT secure to even TOSS them as garbage..

Tell me..have they investigated EVERY situation like that?

Apparently NOT: Feds, In Unusual Statement, Announce They're Investigating A Few Discarded Ballots

So THAT'S the nine ballots that DANA was talking about.. OK.. THanks.. Not the couple DOZEN found in a Wisconsin ditch...

Remember what I said about incompetence, poor design, poor implementation??? Here's the PROOF.... From your link ---

Based on interviews, however, Freed said investigators had concluded that all the envelopes — likely a very small number — that had been received by the Luzerne County Board of Elections were opened "as a matter of course."

Workers, he wrote, explained that the envelopes used for mail ballot requests were so similar to the ones used for returned mail ballots that they believed they would miss requests if they preserved all the envelopes unopened.

That's inexcusable. Should be marked 2020 National Election Ballot right on the OUTER envelope. This is why RATIONAL folks are VERY pessimistic about the country surviving this huge mistake...

The rest of you don't care.. No big deal if 20% of mail-ins get mishandled, not in security envelopes, or end up in ditches or get bundled and dropped in mailboxes by who knows who.. That's why we don't TRUST the left to TOUCH the election system..

Can you give us ANY good reason why we should trust the RIGHT to TOUCH the election system?

North Carolina GOP Operative Faces New Felony Charges That Allege Ballot Fraud

Leslie McCrae Dowless is accused of leading a scheme to illegally collect, sign and mail in absentee ballots. An investigation into allegations of fraud overturned a 2018 congressional race.

www.npr.org

I'll do one better.

Can you give us any good reason as to why this is being brought up except to sow discord and mis-trust?

True or false, every state and the US territories start counting votes on 11/3/2020? True

True or false, every state and the US territories will certify their elections soon thereafter; it may take days or weeks but the results will be certified? True

True or false, the 50 states and DC will appoint electors who will vote for either Joe Biden or The Blob in early December? True.

True or false, on 1/20/2021, either Biden or the blob will be sworn in? True.

Smart people would recognize there is no endgame to this where we don't have a President because votes are still being counted after 1/20/2021. The squealing is there to do one thing; soften the ground up if Trump loses by establishing some manufactured asterisk of there being some doubt as to the outcome.

 

[Coyote]

First the in-person voting was fraudulent...now you guys suddenly prefer it to voting by mail?

It sounds like conserve-hate-ives just don't want more people voting.

Apparently - regardless of how the voting occurs...if it benefits or is mythologized as benefiting Dems it's fraudulent.

That said, it does seem as if there are a lot of valid issues. Lack of good planning for large scale mailings and a concerted effort by the Republicans to suppress voting.

If you can't read the instructions -which are no doubt printed in multiple languages- then put the included privacy envelope inside the mailing envelope, then you're too goddamn stupid to have your vote count.

It's not cheating.....You are certifiable dopes.

Fuck you.

Who said it was cheating?





Oh...wait. That was you guys wasn't it?

it's not secure......that's the problem, it opens a pandora's box of cheating......at least you guys will be happy, more stuff to bitch about when you lose.

...yet it's been done for years in multiple states...without widespread fraud.

You're already making that global assertion AGAIN.. Not even 1 day after being shown a royal clusterfuck of a "Mass mail" tiny muni election resulting in no OUTCOME and two candidates getting indicted on multiple voting fraud charges and 20% of the ballots being tossed out for irregularities...

How do you forget so quickly? Can we go back to the other thread and I'll give you a half dozen MORE "mass mail" voting clusterfucks from THIS YEAR??

Global. Well let's talk about what you make global: mass cheating.

That means you totally ignore (or discount) where it is successfully done.

HAS NEVER HAD the accuracy of voting in person.. Or the competence of handling something that valuable.. EVERYWHERE ya look -- it's been used -- but the error rates and rejects and voter mistakes invalid 5 or 10 TIMES the ballots that voting in person does..

If you want CONVENIENCE and not ACCURACY and GUARANTEES that your vote counts -- it sucks. Because that greater reject and error rate is FAR BIGGER than the "win margins" that we are seeing in elections.. It's DESIGN Sister.. And ANALYSIS.,. Not the number of things mailed or levers pulled..

ahhhh hold on a second.


Never had the accuracy of voting in person? Based on what? What frauds have occurred in Utah's mail in ballots that are greater than in person?

But, more seriously (and maybe for a change without the partisan shit fest)...how do you balance this:

potential voter disenfranchisement due to fear of covid

vs.

potential voter disenfranchisement due to errors?

How do you maximize everyone's rights (and please, cut the crap about "evil dems").

 

[flacaltenn]

First the in-person voting was fraudulent...now you guys suddenly prefer it to voting by mail?

It sounds like conserve-hate-ives just don't want more people voting.

Apparently - regardless of how the voting occurs...if it benefits or is mythologized as benefiting Dems it's fraudulent.

That said, it does seem as if there are a lot of valid issues. Lack of good planning for large scale mailings and a concerted effort by the Republicans to suppress voting.

It's not that....its stupid to do this....there is a lack of control.....

Ballots should be treated like evidence in an investigation......if you can't see the chain of custody from voter to counter...than it's not valid....just like evidence

and mail in ballots require a more work and intelligence to fill out and mail back correctly.......democrats are not known to be the sharpest tools in the shed and have had many ballot issues in the past

The same person counting ballots filed in person is counting ballots by mail. There is no "lack of control". It's a manufactured lack of confidence instilled by Trump.

Several states have been voting by mail for years. Nobody ever questioned the validity of those elections in the past.

Well Oregon is not the entire US......sorry, that doesnt matter.......
It's not who is counting the ballot, it's the chain....read my post again.....

Yeah...your post was nonsense. It's not evidence in a trial. It's a ballot. Again, nobody in those states (more than Oregon) ever raised a peep about "the chain". Nor have they done so with the military who has been voting by mail for about a century. Your blob programmed you to be outraged about this and you're not disappointing your master.

You're confused about Absentee ballots and MASS MAILING of UNSOLICITED ballots.. The difference (or one of them) is about a 4 to 10 fold INCREASE in volume for clearing and entering them.. Nevermind the issues of security and "chain of custody" issues where all kinds of paws including less than scrupulous "ballot harvestors" are intercepting 100s of ballots sitting in lobbies of apartment buildings and not put INTO individual mailboxes..

NONE of that happened with "military vote by mail". ONLY security on MASS mail ballots is the signature and the ERROR RATES on signatures is about 10 times the margin of victory in many states in the 2016 election..

Colorado, for one, mails a ballot to every registered voter. Again, up until you were programmed to whine about it...nobody ever questioned the validity of their elections.

A lot of bad reporting on what states actually do.. SOME of the "mass mail" states just do it for local and STATE elections where turnout and interest is low and they have MORE TIME to challenge and process and fix.. Shall we go check if Colorado does it for NATIONAL elections before?

 

[flacaltenn]

Smart people would recognize there is no endgame to this where we don't have a President because votes are still being counted after 1/20/2021. The squealing is there to do one thing; soften the ground up if Trump loses by establishing some manufactured asterisk of there being some doubt as to the outcome.

Man you were really WINNING there until it mattered... Doesn't MATTER because there's a date certain to CERTIFY.. That's true.. But that's a STATE policy.. And FEDERAL COURT CASES can injunct that date.

Not to mention that ANY BALLOTS still being challenged or attempting to get fix will GET TOSSED in dumpster of fire after certification date. Like 600,000 of the 1.5MILL Provisional ballots in California were in 2016. There's massive BAD DESIGN AND INCOMPETENCE right there..

But you don't care if the INACCURACIES and ERRORS are higher than the margin of victory do ya? You like systems designed for the lazy, stupid and cant follow directions.

 

[candycorn]

First the in-person voting was fraudulent...now you guys suddenly prefer it to voting by mail?

It sounds like conserve-hate-ives just don't want more people voting.

Apparently - regardless of how the voting occurs...if it benefits or is mythologized as benefiting Dems it's fraudulent.

That said, it does seem as if there are a lot of valid issues. Lack of good planning for large scale mailings and a concerted effort by the Republicans to suppress voting.

It's not that....its stupid to do this....there is a lack of control.....

Ballots should be treated like evidence in an investigation......if you can't see the chain of custody from voter to counter...than it's not valid....just like evidence

and mail in ballots require a more work and intelligence to fill out and mail back correctly.......democrats are not known to be the sharpest tools in the shed and have had many ballot issues in the past

The same person counting ballots filed in person is counting ballots by mail. There is no "lack of control". It's a manufactured lack of confidence instilled by Trump.

Several states have been voting by mail for years. Nobody ever questioned the validity of those elections in the past.

Well Oregon is not the entire US......sorry, that doesnt matter.......
It's not who is counting the ballot, it's the chain....read my post again.....

Yeah...your post was nonsense. It's not evidence in a trial. It's a ballot. Again, nobody in those states (more than Oregon) ever raised a peep about "the chain". Nor have they done so with the military who has been voting by mail for about a century. Your blob programmed you to be outraged about this and you're not disappointing your master.

You're confused about Absentee ballots and MASS MAILING of UNSOLICITED ballots.. The difference (or one of them) is about a 4 to 10 fold INCREASE in volume for clearing and entering them.. Nevermind the issues of security and "chain of custody" issues where all kinds of paws including less than scrupulous "ballot harvestors" are intercepting 100s of ballots sitting in lobbies of apartment buildings and not put INTO individual mailboxes..

NONE of that happened with "military vote by mail". ONLY security on MASS mail ballots is the signature and the ERROR RATES on signatures is about 10 times the margin of victory in many states in the 2016 election..

Colorado, for one, mails a ballot to every registered voter. Again, up until you were programmed to whine about it...nobody ever questioned the validity of their elections.

A lot of bad reporting on what states actually do.. SOME of the "mass mail" states just do it for local and STATE elections where turnout and interest is low and they have MORE TIME to challenge and process and fix.. Shall we go check if Colorado does it for NATIONAL elections before?

Feel free to check. Again...until you were programmed to do so, you never said one word about the validity of Colorado elections. All of the sudden, it's the most important topic in your world...until you're programmed otherwise. Remember back when you were upset about immigration? Funny how you stopped talking about it.