Palin owns Women's Rights

[jillian]

I fully appreciate the diversity of women and I accept that they all come to their perspectives from simply living their lives. Sounds to me that the conservative womens perspective has no value to you. Perhaps.. I'm wrong and it's simply that Palin personally deserves your scorn.

palin isn't conservative. palin is a radical and a scam artist. conservatives don't interfere in the rights of others to make choices for themselves. rabid wingnuts do.

a conservative woman? no probs so long as 'conservatism' includes a respect for others' personal liberty... and doesn't include hate for gays, or imposing their religious beliefs on the rest of us. those aren't conservative values.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Sorry, friend Lumpy, but the possibilty of Governor Palin being acceptable to those self-identified as 'feminists' is unsalable.

1. Feminism in the commonly accepted cultural parlance is far left wing, and a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat Party.

2. Radical Feminists refuse to recognize the accomplishments of conservative women. Jeane Kirkpatrick, Margaret Thatcher, Sarah Palin, none could be recognized or honored. Apparently there are men, women, and people who might otherwise have qualified as women but have chosen to be Republicans instead.

3. To be acceptable, Palin whole have to redesigned...The result must of course be anti-bourgeois, anti-capitalist, anti-family, anti- religion, and anti-intellectual.

4. Logical as it seems that women should be prepared for events such as divorce and widowhood, marriage and family may reduce opportunities for outside work or education. But the solution, according to Simone de Beauvoir in an interview with Betty Friedan is “No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one.” “Sex, Society, and the Female Dilemma,” Saturday Review, June 14, 1975, p. 18.

a. Like all totalitarian movements, the goal is not to give more freedom, but to take away choice. This view, of course, would be anthema to Governor Palin's conservativism.

You're exactly right. It's too bad so many women still don't see this movement for exactly what it is.

And exactly what is it? Us fighting for our rights? or us leaving the kitchen?

The single largest factor in the advances that women have made, after the right to vote and the right of wives to hold property in their own names, is technology. Prior to the many time saving and work saving housework devices, there was no possibility that a women could have both a family and a career.

 

[PoliticalChic]

With no popular leftist women possessing any charisma whatever, it's inevitable that Palin, the reigning Queen of Charisma, will become the voice of Women's Rights in the near future. The leftist fear will be realized and their shrill voices will be just a whored memories.

This article was interesting...........

Hard on the heels of Sarah Palin’s stellar speech (and we assure the readers that our juxtaposition of the words words “Hard on”, “heels”, and “Sarah Palin” is purely coincidental) at yesterday’s D.C. rally, Feministas Anna Holmes and Rebecca Traister have published an Op-ed in today’s New York Times bemoaning the left’s lack of a similar charismatic female leader. It is a stunning admission of political failure, or it would be if they were talking about anything other than Feminism, which hasn’t chalked up a single genuine victory since the 70′s.

Palin is a political Dreadnought – she’s withstood two years of constant assault from the left and yet refuses to sink. Libs have thrown their entire arsenal at her but she continues on, even picking up speed. She’s now on the verge of appropriating one of their most cherished issues – Women’s Rights – and it’s driving them crazy.

Liberals Now Want Their Own Sarah Palin? | ConstitutionClub.org

Sorry, friend Lumpy, but the possibilty of Governor Palin being acceptable to those self-identified as 'feminists' is unsalable.

1. Feminism in the commonly accepted cultural parlance is far left wing, and a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat Party.

2. Radical Feminists refuse to recognize the accomplishments of conservative women. Jeane Kirkpatrick, Margaret Thatcher, Sarah Palin, none could be recognized or honored. Apparently there are men, women, and people who might otherwise have qualified as women but have chosen to be Republicans instead.

3. To be acceptable, Palin whole have to redesigned...The result must of course be anti-bourgeois, anti-capitalist, anti-family, anti- religion, and anti-intellectual.

4. Logical as it seems that women should be prepared for events such as divorce and widowhood, marriage and family may reduce opportunities for outside work or education. But the solution, according to Simone de Beauvoir in an interview with Betty Friedan is “No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one.” “Sex, Society, and the Female Dilemma,” Saturday Review, June 14, 1975, p. 18.

a. Like all totalitarian movements, the goal is not to give more freedom, but to take away choice. This view, of course, would be anthema to Governor Palin's conservativism.

I think she already has the anti intellectual part down.

It is more than syncretic to discuss 'intellectual' and 'feminism' in the same venue. More and more I find you descending into the bumper-sticker school of debate...

1. The very existence of over 600 undergraduate and several dozen graduate programs in Women’s studies, plus, of course, African-American Studies, Hispanic Studies, Gay and Lesbian Studies, etc., indicated both the politicization of higher education, and the time and space that is no longer available for actual education.

a. Intellectual integrity comes in a distant second to political correctness. Amplifying the problem, is the necessity of radical feminists to deny that knowledge and rationality developed by men, “linear thinking,” is a coercive tool of the oppressive patriarchy. The argument becomes evidence and logic versus the intuitive and emotional, “women’s ways of knowing.” For a fuller exposition, see Patai and Koertge, “Professing Feminism: Cautionary Tales from the Strange World of Women’s Studies.”

b. Honesty falls by the wayside, as well. Sociologist Steven Goldberg states that on numerous occasions Margaret Mead denied that her research disproved the existence of sex differences. “Feminism Against Science,” National Review, November 18, 1991, p.30Yet Goldberg found that 36 of the 38 sociology texts, indicated that Mead’s work demonstrated the environmental provenance of male and female behavior.

2. Perhaps we have already turned higher education over to radical egalitarianism, and no longer see merit or knowledge as factors in the equation…nor actual education as the result.

a. "[A] young man, possessed of splendid records at both Harvard College and Law School, and a clerk to a court of appeals judge and to Justice Anthony Kennedy…applied for a position at the law school of the University of Texas. His competition was a Mexican-American lesbian who had graduated well below the middle of her law school class. She got the job. A memorandum from a member of the appointments committee explained to the faculty that she should be hired because “She does appeal to three constituent groups.” Daniels and Weiss, “ ‘Equality’ Over Quality,” Reason, July 1991, p. 44 http://biblioteca.uprrp.edu/latcrit...Symposium/LCIHarvardLat(1997)/LCIEArriola.pdf

b. Cornell’s training session for resident advisors featured an x-rated homosexual movie. Pictures were taken of the advisors’ reactions to detect homophobic squeamishness. George Will, “A Kind of Compulsory Chapel,” Newsweek, November 14, 1994. A Kind Of Compulsory Chapel - Newsweek

c. [A] young woman who majored at her university in eco-feminism and graduated with honors…went to Washington, D.C., a city richly endowed with lobbies for ecology and feminism. Because of her dual degree, she assumed that a well-paying job would be waiting. “But even ecological and feminist lobbies require people who can read, write, count, and in general ratiocinate; she thus became one of the large number of genteel unemployables.” Robert Nisbet, “Prejudices: A Philosophical Dictionary,” p. 245

 

[del]

sarah palin is an asshat.

 

[PoliticalChic]

God help women!

A woman who rolls her eyes at a another woman for saying she is a teacher, does not represent women's rights. And they don't have reality tv shows.

no woman who thinks the state should force someone to carry a child that results from rape or incest should be put in the same sentence as 'woman's rights'.


how many rightwing palin threads is this for this week?

Friend Jillian, it may be time for you to rethink your idea of 'feminism,' and free yourself from this limited view, i.e. that feminism revolves around sexual functions.

1. A dubious feature of present-day feminism is an obsession with sex, as the birth of the movement coincided with another movement, sexual liberation- the result, a kind of cross-pollination. Beauvoir-feminists decided that autonomy for women required them to be as promiscuous as the most predatory men. Rather than trying to obviate the traditional double-standard, by elevating the standard for men, feminists proposed lowering the standard for women. The result? No standards.

a. Disadvantages for women include getting pregnant, contracting sexually-transmitted disease more readily and more seriously than men, and suffer more heartache, as men seem to have a greater abandonment and exit strategy than women.

b. “The absent father stands alone as the most reliable predictor of social and psychological trouble. Research by the U.S. Census Bureau shows that annual household income is below $30,000 for 65 percent of children in single-mother families, compared with 15 percent of children in two-parent families. Children raised in homes without fathers are more likely to run away, commit suicide, use drugs, be arrested, and engage in a host of other unfortunate—and sometimes deadly—behaviors.” Three Proposals on the Black Family by Peter Cove, City Journal 20 November 2009

c. It may be time to recover women’s modesty as a virtue. The moral authority of women should serve as a counterweight to the physical superiority of men.

 

[del]

you're not far behind her.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wow, you lowered the bar pretty quick there. We went from Palin owns women's rights to Palin is slightly less repugnant than Congress.

lol

Let me point just out that it's not necessarily the polls but the Palin effect...and yes, I would agree that the Democrat controlled Congress is indeed repugnant and in great need of change.

The rise of the conservative womens movement may be an opportunity for you to belittle and stifle women that you don't agree with (granted you have the support of the Ladies of the Left) but I believe it's becoming a movement you will have to contend with..

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A record 140 women have competed in Republican primaries for the House of Representatives and the Senate this year, almost double the number in 2008. Once the primaries are completed in mid-September, the final tally of female candidates is also set to exceed previous levels, according to party officials.

Mrs Palin and others, like Michele Bachmann and Marsha Blackburn, both relative newcomers to the House of Representatives, have provided role models for conservative women that didn't use to exist, she said.

Sarah Palin effect sees record number of women stand as Republican candidates - Telegraph

There is no conservative feminism. It's conservatism. Some men are conservatives, some women are conservatives. But there is no conservative feminism.

1. The problem facing a new feminism is how to combine home and career. The only solution proposed by feminism is government-funded day care, the premise being that work comes first. Women who say they “want it all,” mean that both come first. Unfortunately, the two require completely different attitudes: to be successful at work, a woman must have a man’s ability to concentrate and to set aside distractions. But to be a good mother, a woman must be open to distraction and welcome the distractions of a child who believes he is entitled to 100% of her time.

a. Perhaps utopian equality between the sexes is impossible. Perhaps women’s happiness is promoted by a partial return to gender expectations of the past, with social conventions that give guidance in general but permit exceptions, and encourage negotiations for different circumstances.
“A New Feminism”
Professor Harvey C. Mansfield, Harvard
From an address at Hillsdale College, 5/13/2006


2. Finally, a new feminism should have less of a political component, and end the mantra that ‘the personal is the political.’ Feminism today is often a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat Party. Having grown up with a priority of being accepted by the group, fearing being ‘different,’ many women accept the voice of the (mainly Democrat) mainstream feminist movement of America, and deviate not an iota from its orthodoxy. The same party that claims to stand for diversity and tolerance is totally intolerant to ‘difference.’ Ibid.

a.This rigid intolerance as exercised by the movement, unfortunately, has driven away women who choose motherhood over high-powered careers, women who are American patriots, many religious women, women who do not identify themselves primarily in terms of sexual preference, and women who oppose abortion, pornography and prostitution. The outside-the-mainstream feminists hold abolitionist views about pornography, prostitution, trafficking, and sexual slavery; viewing freedom as a universal value; in short, are conservative.

b. Mainstream Western feminism is politically-correct left-dominated liberalism, postcolonial, anti-imperialist feminism, which has denounced America’s vision of freedom and democracy for the women of Moslem countries. One must be reflexively opposed to religion. One must not be opposed to pornography or prostitution, as it offends many gays, and threatens some views of sexual privacy and access. The left claims the usual laundry list of offenses attributable to the right, including : forcing people into gender roles, obstructing the use of alternative energy, increasing the fear of immigrants and aliens, denying adequate health care coverage, promoting a military policy that denies equal rights for sexual minorities.

While there is nothing wrong with raising concerns, where is the indication that the problems are a) due to the right, or b) not equally the result of policies of both parties.? (“The Death of Feminism,” by Phyllis Chesler)

 

[nia588]

Palin is setting women's rights back one day at a time. the woman believes abortion is wrong whatever the case is. i don't fully support abortion but if a woman was raped i think she has the right to terminate that baby.

On top of that the woman ignorant just like the rest of the radical right is. she's the same one who spread that whole death panels nonsense.

 

[JakeStarkey]

With no popular leftist women possessing any charisma whatever, it's inevitable that Palin, the reigning Queen of Charisma, will become the voice of Women's Rights in the near future. The leftist fear will be realized and their shrill voices will be just a whored memories.

This article was interesting...........

Hard on the heels of Sarah Palin’s stellar speech (and we assure the readers that our juxtaposition of the words words “Hard on”, “heels”, and “Sarah Palin” is purely coincidental) at yesterday’s D.C. rally, Feministas Anna Holmes and Rebecca Traister have published an Op-ed in today’s New York Times bemoaning the left’s lack of a similar charismatic female leader. It is a stunning admission of political failure, or it would be if they were talking about anything other than Feminism, which hasn’t chalked up a single genuine victory since the 70′s.

Palin is a political Dreadnought – she’s withstood two years of constant assault from the left and yet refuses to sink. Libs have thrown their entire arsenal at her but she continues on, even picking up speed. She’s now on the verge of appropriating one of their most cherished issues – Women’s Rights – and it’s driving them crazy.

Liberals Now Want Their Own Sarah Palin? | ConstitutionClub.org

Sorry, friend Lumpy, but the possibilty of Governor Palin being acceptable to those self-identified as 'feminists' is unsalable.

1. Feminism in the commonly accepted cultural parlance is far left wing, and a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat Party.

2. Radical Feminists refuse to recognize the accomplishments of conservative women. Jeane Kirkpatrick, Margaret Thatcher, Sarah Palin, none could be recognized or honored. Apparently there are men, women, and people who might otherwise have qualified as women but have chosen to be Republicans instead.

3. To be acceptable, Palin whole have to redesigned...The result must of course be anti-bourgeois, anti-capitalist, anti-family, anti- religion, and anti-intellectual.

4. Logical as it seems that women should be prepared for events such as divorce and widowhood, marriage and family may reduce opportunities for outside work or education. But the solution, according to Simone de Beauvoir in an interview with Betty Friedan is “No woman should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one.” “Sex, Society, and the Female Dilemma,” Saturday Review, June 14, 1975, p. 18.

a. Like all totalitarian movements, the goal is not to give more freedom, but to take away choice. This view, of course, would be anthema to Governor Palin's conservativism.

I think she already has the anti intellectual part down.
And many women like our leader to fight for ALL of our rights, not the ones they feel are moral or right. And I think it is funny you speak about totalitarianism, especially someone who likes McCarthy so much. Palin isn't about freedom either, she is about one religion, one point of view, and telling someone who they can marry and what they can do with their body.

Understand that PC has totalitarian double speak down pat. Hold her words against the mirror and you will see her image staring back with Joe McCarthy peering lecherously over her shoulder (shudder).

 

[Barb]

You're exactly right. It's too bad so many women still don't see this movement for exactly what it is.

And exactly what is it? Us fighting for our rights? or us leaving the kitchen?

Both. And the right to be in the kitchen if that's what a woman wants. It's about making our own choices for what's right for us, individually. If some women see Palin as a role model, I don't personally understand it but more power to them. If they see Hillary as one, good for them. If they have no role models but their own mothers, sisters, grandmothers, aunts, neighbors....maybe that's the best. It's all about having the power to make that choice.

Do we tell men they have to follow one "leader" to tell them what's right for them? Of course not.

Somebody wrote that article without knowing a damn thing about stuff like the Mommy Wars.

Or the first and second waves of feminism, the in fighting for creative and political control both between and within generations...or how some women were allowed status and place within the male establishment in return for their negative stereotyping of feminists (as well as peace and civil rights activists).

 

[goldcatt]

And exactly what is it? Us fighting for our rights? or us leaving the kitchen?

Both. And the right to be in the kitchen if that's what a woman wants. It's about making our own choices for what's right for us, individually. If some women see Palin as a role model, I don't personally understand it but more power to them. If they see Hillary as one, good for them. If they have no role models but their own mothers, sisters, grandmothers, aunts, neighbors....maybe that's the best. It's all about having the power to make that choice.

Do we tell men they have to follow one "leader" to tell them what's right for them? Of course not.

Somebody wrote that article without knowing a damn thing about stuff like the Mommy Wars.

Or the first and second waves of feminism, the in fighting for creative and political control both between and within generations...or how some women were allowed status and place within the male establishment in return for their negative stereotyping of feminists (as well as peace and civil rights activists).

I consider myself lucky to be second generation in that regard. Old enough to remember what it was like and why the first wave was necessary, young enough to understand what made it no longer needed and see how far we've come to create those changes. Or most of us, anyway!

 

[CurveLight]

With no popular leftist women possessing any charisma whatever, it's inevitable that Palin, the reigning Queen of Charisma, will become the voice of Women's Rights in the near future. The leftist fear will be realized and their shrill voices will be just a whored memories.

This article was interesting...........

Hard on the heels of Sarah Palin’s stellar speech (and we assure the readers that our juxtaposition of the words words “Hard on”, “heels”, and “Sarah Palin” is purely coincidental) at yesterday’s D.C. rally, Feministas Anna Holmes and Rebecca Traister have published an Op-ed in today’s New York Times bemoaning the left’s lack of a similar charismatic female leader. It is a stunning admission of political failure, or it would be if they were talking about anything other than Feminism, which hasn’t chalked up a single genuine victory since the 70′s.

Palin is a political Dreadnought – she’s withstood two years of constant assault from the left and yet refuses to sink. Libs have thrown their entire arsenal at her but she continues on, even picking up speed. She’s now on the verge of appropriating one of their most cherished issues – Women’s Rights – and it’s driving them crazy.

Liberals Now Want Their Own Sarah Palin? | ConstitutionClub.org

The only reason the ignorant quitter **** hasn't faded is because her supporters are saturated in hypocrisy and partisanship. If any dem governor had quit due to pressures from the job threy campaigned for palin supporters would relentlessy crucify the person.

 

[Lumpy 1]

With no popular leftist women possessing any charisma whatever, it's inevitable that Palin, the reigning Queen of Charisma, will become the voice of Women's Rights in the near future. The leftist fear will be realized and their shrill voices will be just a whored memories.

This article was interesting...........

Hard on the heels of Sarah Palin’s stellar speech (and we assure the readers that our juxtaposition of the words words “Hard on”, “heels”, and “Sarah Palin” is purely coincidental) at yesterday’s D.C. rally, Feministas Anna Holmes and Rebecca Traister have published an Op-ed in today’s New York Times bemoaning the left’s lack of a similar charismatic female leader. It is a stunning admission of political failure, or it would be if they were talking about anything other than Feminism, which hasn’t chalked up a single genuine victory since the 70′s.

Palin is a political Dreadnought – she’s withstood two years of constant assault from the left and yet refuses to sink. Libs have thrown their entire arsenal at her but she continues on, even picking up speed. She’s now on the verge of appropriating one of their most cherished issues – Women’s Rights – and it’s driving them crazy.

Liberals Now Want Their Own Sarah Palin? | ConstitutionClub.org

The only reason the ignorant quitter **** hasn't faded is because her supporters are saturated in hypocrisy and partisanship. If any dem governor had quit due to pressures from the job threy campaigned for palin supporters would relentlessy crucify the person.

I see no reason to even try to reason with you.. sheez