Palestinian identity ?

[rylah]

They have even done an analysis:

In 2007

"We’ll focus on Judea and Samaria, not counting Jerusalem.

Pop. 956,000

Descendants of Israel: 580,000 or 61 per cent.

Brethren of Israel: 259,000 or 27 per cent of which 158,000 Edomites and 101,000 Moabites.

Arabs 43,000 or 4.5 per cent.

Roman Army 44,000.

Christians from afar 24,000.

Kurds 6,000. (They came in with Saladin’s army.)"

Most Palestinians Are Descendants Of Jews

The Arabian component is similar to Tunisia.

From YOUR link: Most Palestinians Are Descendants Of Jews

"It’s interesting how Misinai comes up with 90 per cent. There are two categories, which he calls “Descendants of Israel” and “Brethren of Israel.” These “brethern” are descendants of Edomites and Moabites. But they had converted to Judaism way back and remained in the fold, so of course they count.

He’s got the makeup of the population broken down for every geographical sector. How he got these figures and how reliable they are I don’t know. We’ll focus on Judea and Samaria, not counting Jerusalem."



*We know from the same SCIENTIFIC study that You used the graph from, that Egypt is 17% Arabian and Lebanon whole 44%.
But You'll always omitt that.

 

[montelatici]

The Palestinian Martyrs from around 400 AD was before the Mandate. The Palestinain Arabic manual was before the Mandate.

Fulcher of Chartres called the native people Palestinians during the rule of the Latin Kingdom Of Jerusalem about 1,000 AD.

"For we who were Occidentals have now become Orientals. He who was a Roman or a Frank has in this land been made into a Galilean or a Palestinian"


http://www.lancaster.ac.uk/normaned...ranks and Natives in the Crusader States'.pdf

You lose again.

 

[montelatici]

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin"

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

 

[rylah]

The Palestinian Martyrs from around 400 AD was before the Mandate. The Palestinain Arabic manual was before the Mandate.

Fulcher of Chartres called the native people Palestinians during the rule of the Latin Kingdom Of Jerusalem about 1,000 AD.

"For we who were Occidentals have now become Orientals. He who was a Roman or a Frank has in this land been made into a Galilean or a Palestinian"


http://www.lancaster.ac.uk/normanedge/All other stuff/Andrew Jotischky, 'Franks and Natives in the Crusader States'.pdf

You lose again.

Declaring victory too early. - You have just proven that Palestinians are franks, crusader invaders.
And what is this another book on Arabic? Very original

 

[rylah]

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin"

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

Why do You keep posting the same links when they contradict You?

Again from YOUR link:

Palestine inhabited by a mixed population

From the time the Arabians, along with their non-Arabian recruits, entered Palestine and Syria, they found and themselves added to what was "ethnologically a chaos of all the possible human combinations to which, when Palestine became a land of pilgrimage, a new admixture was added."1 Among the peoples who have been counted as "indigenous Palestinian Arabs" are Balkans, Greeks, Syrians, Latins, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Germans, Afghans, Circassians, Bosnians, Sudanese, Samaritans, Algerians, Motawila, and Tartars.

John of Wurzburg lists for the middle era of the kingdom, Latins, Germans, Hungarians, Scots, Navarese, Bretons, English, Franks, Ruthenians, Bohemians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Georgians, Armenians, Syrians, Persian Nestorians, Indians,Egyptians, Copts, Maronites and natives from the Nile Delta. The list might be much extended, for it was the period of the great self-willed city-states in Europe, and Amalfi, Pisans, Genoese, Venetians, and Marseillais, who had quarters in all the bigger cities, owned villages, and had trading rights, would, in all probability, have submitted to any of the above designations, only under pressure. Besides all these, Norsemen, Danes, Frisians, Tartars, Jews, Arabs, Russians, Nubians, and Samaritans, can be safely added to the greatest human agglomeration drawn together in one small area of the globe."2

Greeks fled the Muslim rule in Greece, and landed in Palestine. By the mid-seventeenth century, the Greeks lived everywhere in the Holy Land--constituting about twenty percent of the population-and their authority dominated the villages.3
Between 1750 and 1766 Jaffa had been rebuilt, and had some five hundred houses. Turks, Arabs, Greeks and Armenians and a solitary Latin monk lived there, to attend to the wants of the thousands of pilgrims who had to be temporarily housed in the port before proceeding to Jerusalem.4....
.
*Montelatici Thanks for adding the Crusaders into the list of "Palestinian" identities.

 

[montelatici]

"Palestinians are genetically as close or closer to any modern Jewish population than are those Jewish populations to each other. In other words, genetic data is totally consistent with the idea that Palestinians are the direct descendants of ancient Jews who never left their ancestral land and who later converted to Christianity and to Islam....."

Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture

Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture

New studies show that Jews and Palestinians are both descendants of the ancient Jewish people

 

[montelatici]

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin"

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

Why do You keep posting the same links when they contradict You?

Again from YOUR link:

Palestine inhabited by a mixed population

From the time the Arabians, along with their non-Arabian recruits, entered Palestine and Syria, they found and themselves added to what was "ethnologically a chaos of all the possible human combinations to which, when Palestine became a land of pilgrimage, a new admixture was added."1 Among the peoples who have been counted as "indigenous Palestinian Arabs" are Balkans, Greeks, Syrians, Latins, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Germans, Afghans, Circassians, Bosnians, Sudanese, Samaritans, Algerians, Motawila, and Tartars.

John of Wurzburg lists for the middle era of the kingdom, Latins, Germans, Hungarians, Scots, Navarese, Bretons, English, Franks, Ruthenians, Bohemians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Georgians, Armenians, Syrians, Persian Nestorians, Indians,Egyptians, Copts, Maronites and natives from the Nile Delta. The list might be much extended, for it was the period of the great self-willed city-states in Europe, and Amalfi, Pisans, Genoese, Venetians, and Marseillais, who had quarters in all the bigger cities, owned villages, and had trading rights, would, in all probability, have submitted to any of the above designations, only under pressure. Besides all these, Norsemen, Danes, Frisians, Tartars, Jews, Arabs, Russians, Nubians, and Samaritans, can be safely added to the greatest human agglomeration drawn together in one small area of the globe."2

Greeks fled the Muslim rule in Greece, and landed in Palestine. By the mid-seventeenth century, the Greeks lived everywhere in the Holy Land--constituting about twenty percent of the population-and their authority dominated the villages.3
Between 1750 and 1766 Jaffa had been rebuilt, and had some five hundred houses. Turks, Arabs, Greeks and Armenians and a solitary Latin monk lived there, to attend to the wants of the thousands of pilgrims who had to be temporarily housed in the port before proceeding to Jerusalem.4....
.
*Montelatici Thanks for adding the Crusaders into the list of "Palestinian" identities.

Thanks for pointing out that 24,000 or about 2% of the Palestinian's ancestors, of the million or so analyzed, come from that group. Now if only Ashkenazi Jews weren't descended from Europeans. LOL

"The majority of Ashkenazi Jews are descended from prehistoric European women,..."

http://www.the-scientist.com/?artic...21/title/Genetic-Roots-of-the-Ashkenazi-Jews/

 

[rylah]

"Palestinians are genetically as close or closer to any modern Jewish population than are those Jewish populations to each other. In other words, genetic data is totally consistent with the idea that Palestinians are the direct descendants of ancient Jews who never left their ancestral land and who later converted to Christianity and to Islam....."

Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture

Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture

New studies show that Jews and Palestinians are both descendants of the ancient Jewish people

The same study You claimed to be Hasbara?
I'm happy You;re coming to senses, but unfortunately the study AGAIN CONTRADICTS You.

The graph is actually showing most Jews cluster with the Druze of Lebanon, while Palestinian Arabs cluster with Bedouins, Saudis and Syrians:

 

[montelatici]

"Palestinians are genetically as close or closer to any modern Jewish population than are those Jewish populations to each other. In other words, genetic data is totally consistent with the idea that Palestinians are the direct descendants of ancient Jews who never left their ancestral land and who later converted to Christianity and to Islam....."

Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture

Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture

New studies show that Jews and Palestinians are both descendants of the ancient Jewish people

The same study You claimed to be Hasbara?
I'm happy You;re coming to senses, but unfortunately the study AGAIN CONTRADICTS You.

The graph is actually showing most Jews cluster with the Druze of Lebanon, while Palestinian Arabs cluster with Bedouins, Saudis and Syrians:

"Palestinians are genetically as close or closer to any modern Jewish population than are those Jewish populations to each other. In other words, genetic data is totally consistent with the idea that Palestinians are the direct descendants of ancient Jews who never left their ancestral land and who later converted to Christianity and to Islam....."


No, it contradicts you as the author states. You lose again. LOL

It's difficult to win when all you have is propaganda Rylah, give it up. The facts are the facts.

"

 

[rylah]

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin"

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

Why do You keep posting the same links when they contradict You?

Again from YOUR link:

Palestine inhabited by a mixed population

From the time the Arabians, along with their non-Arabian recruits, entered Palestine and Syria, they found and themselves added to what was "ethnologically a chaos of all the possible human combinations to which, when Palestine became a land of pilgrimage, a new admixture was added."1 Among the peoples who have been counted as "indigenous Palestinian Arabs" are Balkans, Greeks, Syrians, Latins, Egyptians, Turks, Armenians, Italians, Persians, Kurds, Germans, Afghans, Circassians, Bosnians, Sudanese, Samaritans, Algerians, Motawila, and Tartars.

John of Wurzburg lists for the middle era of the kingdom, Latins, Germans, Hungarians, Scots, Navarese, Bretons, English, Franks, Ruthenians, Bohemians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Georgians, Armenians, Syrians, Persian Nestorians, Indians,Egyptians, Copts, Maronites and natives from the Nile Delta. The list might be much extended, for it was the period of the great self-willed city-states in Europe, and Amalfi, Pisans, Genoese, Venetians, and Marseillais, who had quarters in all the bigger cities, owned villages, and had trading rights, would, in all probability, have submitted to any of the above designations, only under pressure. Besides all these, Norsemen, Danes, Frisians, Tartars, Jews, Arabs, Russians, Nubians, and Samaritans, can be safely added to the greatest human agglomeration drawn together in one small area of the globe."2

Greeks fled the Muslim rule in Greece, and landed in Palestine. By the mid-seventeenth century, the Greeks lived everywhere in the Holy Land--constituting about twenty percent of the population-and their authority dominated the villages.3
Between 1750 and 1766 Jaffa had been rebuilt, and had some five hundred houses. Turks, Arabs, Greeks and Armenians and a solitary Latin monk lived there, to attend to the wants of the thousands of pilgrims who had to be temporarily housed in the port before proceeding to Jerusalem.4....
.
*Montelatici Thanks for adding the Crusaders into the list of "Palestinian" identities.

Thanks for pointing out that 24,000 or about 2% of the Palestinian's ancestors, of the million or so analyzed, come from that group. Now if only Ashkenazi Jews weren't descended from Europeans. LOL

"The majority of Ashkenazi Jews are descended from prehistoric European women,..."

http://www.the-scientist.com/?artic...21/title/Genetic-Roots-of-the-Ashkenazi-Jews/

Why didn't You link to the original study - afraid we see the original headline?

But let's play Your game, who are the Bushnaks?

Bushnak (Arabic: بشناق‎‎, meaning "Bosnian" or "Bosniak", also transliterated Bushnaq, Boshnak and Bouchnak) is a surname common among Palestinians who are of Bosnian origin.[1][2][3] Those sharing this surname are the descendants of Bosnian Muslims apprehensive of living under Christian rule after the Austro-Hungarian occupation of Bosnia and Herzegovinain 1878, who emigrated to Palestine within the Ottoman empire.

Bushnak - Wikipedia

 

[montelatici]

 

[Sixties Fan]

If their ancestors came from Asia Minor, aka, the Land of Israel.....
as proven via DNA.....

NO

 

[rylah]

What do we call people who judge others by looks, skin color and blood purity?

 

[montelatici]

What do we call people who judge others by looks, skin color and blood purity?

Anthropologists.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Surprising Science of Race and Racism | HuffPost

 

[montelatici]

There are Israeli Jews that are not brainwashed like you two.

"Dancing With Palestinians
I grew up in Israel and served as an IDF officer. It took me years to realize that we had been brought up on lies, myths and propaganda and that Palestinians are no different from native Americans, blacks in S. Africa and other indigenous populations who were abused and dispossessed by European colonialism. Demolishing the Zionist myths and propaganda is the first step towards de-constructing the exclusionary colonial state and achieving historic justice and lasting peace.

Dancing With Palestinians

 

[Sixties Fan]

There are Israeli Jews that are not brainwashed like you two.

"Dancing With Palestinians
I grew up in Israel and served as an IDF officer. It took me years to realize that we had been brought up on lies, myths and propaganda and that Palestinians are no different from native Americans, blacks in S. Africa and other indigenous populations who were abused and dispossessed by European colonialism. Demolishing the Zionist myths and propaganda is the first step towards de-constructing the exclusionary colonial state and achieving historic justice and lasting peace.

Dancing With Palestinians

Wow, if that is not one of the most amazingly, and blatantly anti Jewish rights to their sovereign land sites I have ever seen.

Each article is a slander.

Not one of them gives the name of who wrote each article.
Pen names, or no names.
All blogs from anonymous beings.

Congratulate yourself Monte.

 

[rylah]

What do we call people who judge others by looks, skin color and blood purity?

Anthropologists.

I don't think Anthropologists use blood purity, race and skin color to deny people rights.
I think it's called Racism.

 

[rylah]

I don't get it, do only people who look like Bedouins deserve rights in the ME?

 

[Shusha]

"Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted to Christianity, and later Islam, not Arab in origin"

Native Population almost wholly descended from Jews who had been forcibly converted

Why the hell is forced conversion an argument for supremacy of the colonizer rather than a clear argument in support of the oppressed? I don't get it.