Palestine Today

[P F Tinmore]

"I am Amira. I am 12 years old and live in Gaza. I used to live with my uncle's family in the house behind me for my whole life. Today, we've come to celebrate my cousin's Waleed's birthday party on top of the mound of rubble, because we don't have anywhere else to go."

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinian youths carried out a massive molotov attack on an Israeli military convoy leaving Kobar village in #Ramallah after the demolition of the house of political prisoner Qassam al-Barghouthi.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You could be right. But, is that the fault of the Israelis? - or - Is that the fault of the HAMAS leadership?

At the moment, no place in #Gaza is safe. Israeli forces are attacking all areas of the Strip with warplanes, warships, and tanks. Every single citizen here is in danger!

(COMMENT)

Your implication here is that Israel is doing something wrong. And the manner of presentation is to draw on the sympathy card.

But the fact remains, the response to HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement) actions is the fault of HAMAS and not the Israelis. How many times has HAMAS orchestrated violent demonstrations at the borders? And how many times this year, has HAMAS or other violent Hostile Arab Palestinians threatened Israel and sent out a call for martyrs? The general population of Arab Palestinians supports the terrorist regimes that incite violence. Terrorist organizations do not live in a vacuum. They must have indigenous support to survive. Support comes in many ways. Whether is is standing on the sidewalk and waving a flag sd the hooded terrorist march by, of dressing your small children as suicide bombers, it is supported. IF you pay taxes to HAMAS • IF you make donations to the Islamic Jihad,

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: You could be right. But, is that the fault of the Israelis? - or - Is that the fault of the HAMAS leadership?

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At the moment, no place in #Gaza is safe. Israeli forces are attacking all areas of the Strip with warplanes, warships, and tanks. Every single citizen here is in danger!

(COMMENT)

Your implication here is that Israel is doing something wrong. And the manner of presentation is to draw on the sympathy card.

But the fact remains, the response to HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement) actions is the fault of HAMAS and not the Israelis. How many times has HAMAS orchestrated violent demonstrations at the borders? And how many times this year, has HAMAS or other violent Hostile Arab Palestinians threatened Israel and sent out a call for martyrs? The general population of Arab Palestinians supports the terrorist regimes that incite violence. Terrorist organizations do not live in a vacuum. They must have indigenous support to survive. Support comes in many ways. Whether is is standing on the sidewalk and waving a flag sd the hooded terrorist march by, of dressing your small children as suicide bombers, it is supported. IF you pay taxes to HAMAS • IF you make donations to the Islamic Jihad,

Most Respectfully,
R

Are you trying to say something or is this just another smear?

What happened to the 40 years of occupation before there was Hamas?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The Hostile Arab Palestinians must accept the consequences of their destuctive actions in violence.

​

Are you trying to say something or is this just another smear?

(COMMENT)

HAMAS and the members of their general population are the proximate cause for the military action taken against the hostile opponents.

What happened to the 40 years of occupation before there was Hamas?

(COMMENT)

Let's see: HAMAS was created in 1988. The Israelis made their unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in 2005.

The prior control of the Gaza Strip by the Israelis came about in 1967 when the Arab Foreign with the withdrawal of the Egyptian Military Governorship. It was not taken from the Arab Palestinians. On 26 March 1979 (10 years before HAMAS was created) and without prejudice to the Arab Palestinians, an Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty established the new international boundaries.

Article II​

​

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.​

​

For more details see the direct links :

• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - After the Signing - Photo (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Hebrew
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - American - Israeli Memorandum - Oil
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - English
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Map of Demilitarization Arrangements for the Sinai (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Annex I - Map 1 (Withdrawal Zones) - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 1 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 5 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 2 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 4 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Newspaper Article - Hebrew (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 6 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - 30th Anniversary Video
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Map - Hebrew (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Photo of the signing
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 3 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - American - Israeli Memorandum

Until 2005 Israeli Unilateral withdrawal, the territory was never sovereign under the Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[rylah]

Palestinian youths carried out a massive molotov attack on an Israeli military convoy leaving Kobar village in #Ramallah after the demolition of the house of political prisoner Qassam al-Barghouthi.

To murder a 17 y.o. Israeli girl is "political activity"?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The Hostile Arab Palestinians must accept the consequences of their destuctive actions in violence.

​

Are you trying to say something or is this just another smear?

(COMMENT)

HAMAS and the members of their general population are the proximate cause for the military action taken against the hostile opponents.

What happened to the 40 years of occupation before there was Hamas?

(COMMENT)

Let's see: HAMAS was created in 1988. The Israelis made their unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in 2005.

The prior control of the Gaza Strip by the Israelis came about in 1967 when the Arab Foreign with the withdrawal of the Egyptian Military Governorship. It was not taken from the Arab Palestinians. On 26 March 1979 (10 years before HAMAS was created) and without prejudice to the Arab Palestinians, an Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty established the new international boundaries.

Article II​

​

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.​

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​

For more details see the direct links :

• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - After the Signing - Photo (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Hebrew
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - American - Israeli Memorandum - Oil
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - English
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Map of Demilitarization Arrangements for the Sinai (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Annex I - Map 1 (Withdrawal Zones) - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 1 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 5 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 2 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 4 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Newspaper Article - Hebrew (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 6 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - 30th Anniversary Video
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Map - Hebrew (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Photo of the signing
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 3 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - American - Israeli Memorandum

Until 2005 Israeli Unilateral withdrawal, the territory was never sovereign under the Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

HAMAS and the members of their general population are the proximate cause for the military action taken against the hostile opponents.

Only if you rule out Palestinian self defense.

The prior control of the Gaza Strip by the Israelis came about in 1967 when the Arab Foreign with the withdrawal of the Egyptian Military Governorship.

A Military Governorship does not hold sovereignty. The Gaza Strip was (is) occupied Palestinian territory.

On 26 March 1979 (10 years before HAMAS was created) and without prejudice to the Arab Palestinians, an Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty established the new international boundaries.

How did a Palestinian border turn into an Israeli border? How did Israel acquire that territory?

Link?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinian youths carried out a massive molotov attack on an Israeli military convoy leaving Kobar village in #Ramallah after the demolition of the house of political prisoner Qassam al-Barghouthi.

To murder a 17 y.o. Israeli girl is "political activity"?

Israel murders Palestinian children by the thousands.

What is your point?

 

[Mindful]

Palestinian youths carried out a massive molotov attack on an Israeli military convoy leaving Kobar village in #Ramallah after the demolition of the house of political prisoner Qassam al-Barghouthi.

To murder a 17 y.o. Israeli girl is "political activity"?

Israel murders Palestinian children by the thousands.

What is your point?

You don’t convince me of anything, Tinmore.

Other than your own personal hobby horse.

 

[rylah]

Palestinian youths carried out a massive molotov attack on an Israeli military convoy leaving Kobar village in #Ramallah after the demolition of the house of political prisoner Qassam al-Barghouthi.

To murder a 17 y.o. Israeli girl is "political activity"?

Israel murders Palestinian children by the thousands.

What is your point?

The cynical use of children's death as an appeal to their intentional murder?
Or celebration of mothers with their kids in suicide vests.

The typical set of Jihadi degradation.

 

[rylah]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The Hostile Arab Palestinians must accept the consequences of their destuctive actions in violence.

​

Are you trying to say something or is this just another smear?

(COMMENT)

HAMAS and the members of their general population are the proximate cause for the military action taken against the hostile opponents.

What happened to the 40 years of occupation before there was Hamas?

(COMMENT)

Let's see: HAMAS was created in 1988. The Israelis made their unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in 2005.

The prior control of the Gaza Strip by the Israelis came about in 1967 when the Arab Foreign with the withdrawal of the Egyptian Military Governorship. It was not taken from the Arab Palestinians. On 26 March 1979 (10 years before HAMAS was created) and without prejudice to the Arab Palestinians, an Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty established the new international boundaries.

Article II​

​

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.​

View attachment 337602View attachment 337603
​

For more details see the direct links :

• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - After the Signing - Photo (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Hebrew
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - American - Israeli Memorandum - Oil
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - English
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Map of Demilitarization Arrangements for the Sinai (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Annex I - Map 1 (Withdrawal Zones) - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 1 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 5 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 2 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 4 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Newspaper Article - Hebrew (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 6 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - 30th Anniversary Video
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Map - Hebrew (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Photo of the signing
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 3 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - American - Israeli Memorandum

Until 2005 Israeli Unilateral withdrawal, the territory was never sovereign under the Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

HAMAS and the members of their general population are the proximate cause for the military action taken against the hostile opponents.

Only if you rule out Palestinian self defense.

The prior control of the Gaza Strip by the Israelis came about in 1967 when the Arab Foreign with the withdrawal of the Egyptian Military Governorship.

A Military Governorship does not hold sovereignty. The Gaza Strip was (is) occupied Palestinian territory.

On 26 March 1979 (10 years before HAMAS was created) and without prejudice to the Arab Palestinians, an Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty established the new international boundaries.

How did a Palestinian border turn into an Israeli border? How did Israel acquire that territory?

Link?

How did St. Petersburg acquire territory in Leningrad?
By being a subject of the nation vested with sovereignty over the territory.

We've been all over the documents,
in all these years you've been unable to produce a single document
that shows specifically that the sovereignty was ever vested with Arabs.

Govt. documents, and even the coins Pali propaganda love to flail so much
- all have Hebrew and 'Land of Israel' written on them.

Need examples?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The Hostile Arab Palestinians must accept the consequences of their destuctive actions in violence.

​

Are you trying to say something or is this just another smear?

(COMMENT)

HAMAS and the members of their general population are the proximate cause for the military action taken against the hostile opponents.

What happened to the 40 years of occupation before there was Hamas?

(COMMENT)

Let's see: HAMAS was created in 1988. The Israelis made their unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in 2005.

The prior control of the Gaza Strip by the Israelis came about in 1967 when the Arab Foreign with the withdrawal of the Egyptian Military Governorship. It was not taken from the Arab Palestinians. On 26 March 1979 (10 years before HAMAS was created) and without prejudice to the Arab Palestinians, an Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty established the new international boundaries.

Article II​

​

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.​

View attachment 337602View attachment 337603
​

For more details see the direct links :

• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - After the Signing - Photo (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Hebrew
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - American - Israeli Memorandum - Oil
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - English
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Map of Demilitarization Arrangements for the Sinai (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Annex I - Map 1 (Withdrawal Zones) - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 1 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 5 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 2 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 4 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Newspaper Article - Hebrew (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 6 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - 30th Anniversary Video
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Map - Hebrew (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Photo of the signing
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 3 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - American - Israeli Memorandum

Until 2005 Israeli Unilateral withdrawal, the territory was never sovereign under the Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

HAMAS and the members of their general population are the proximate cause for the military action taken against the hostile opponents.

Only if you rule out Palestinian self defense.

The prior control of the Gaza Strip by the Israelis came about in 1967 when the Arab Foreign with the withdrawal of the Egyptian Military Governorship.

A Military Governorship does not hold sovereignty. The Gaza Strip was (is) occupied Palestinian territory.

On 26 March 1979 (10 years before HAMAS was created) and without prejudice to the Arab Palestinians, an Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty established the new international boundaries.

How did a Palestinian border turn into an Israeli border? How did Israel acquire that territory?

Link?

How did St. Petersburg acquire territory in Leningrad?
By being a subject of the nation vested with sovereignty over the territory.

We've been all over the documents,
in all these years you've been unable to produce a single document
that shows specifically that the sovereignty was ever vested with Arabs.

Govt. documents, and even the coins Pali propaganda love to flail so much
- all have Hebrew and 'Land of Israel' written on them.

Need examples?

Is deflection all you got?

 

[rylah]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The Hostile Arab Palestinians must accept the consequences of their destuctive actions in violence.

​

Are you trying to say something or is this just another smear?

(COMMENT)

HAMAS and the members of their general population are the proximate cause for the military action taken against the hostile opponents.

What happened to the 40 years of occupation before there was Hamas?

(COMMENT)

Let's see: HAMAS was created in 1988. The Israelis made their unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in 2005.

The prior control of the Gaza Strip by the Israelis came about in 1967 when the Arab Foreign with the withdrawal of the Egyptian Military Governorship. It was not taken from the Arab Palestinians. On 26 March 1979 (10 years before HAMAS was created) and without prejudice to the Arab Palestinians, an Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty established the new international boundaries.

Article II​

​

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.​

View attachment 337602View attachment 337603
​

For more details see the direct links :

• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - After the Signing - Photo (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Hebrew
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - American - Israeli Memorandum - Oil
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - English
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Map of Demilitarization Arrangements for the Sinai (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Annex I - Map 1 (Withdrawal Zones) - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 1 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 5 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 2 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 4 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Newspaper Article - Hebrew (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 6 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - 30th Anniversary Video
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Map - Hebrew (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Photo of the signing
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 3 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - American - Israeli Memorandum

Until 2005 Israeli Unilateral withdrawal, the territory was never sovereign under the Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

HAMAS and the members of their general population are the proximate cause for the military action taken against the hostile opponents.

Only if you rule out Palestinian self defense.

The prior control of the Gaza Strip by the Israelis came about in 1967 when the Arab Foreign with the withdrawal of the Egyptian Military Governorship.

A Military Governorship does not hold sovereignty. The Gaza Strip was (is) occupied Palestinian territory.

On 26 March 1979 (10 years before HAMAS was created) and without prejudice to the Arab Palestinians, an Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty established the new international boundaries.

How did a Palestinian border turn into an Israeli border? How did Israel acquire that territory?

Link?

How did St. Petersburg acquire territory in Leningrad?
By being a subject of the nation vested with sovereignty over the territory.

We've been all over the documents,
in all these years you've been unable to produce a single document
that shows specifically that the sovereignty was ever vested with Arabs.

Govt. documents, and even the coins Pali propaganda love to flail so much
- all have Hebrew and 'Land of Israel' written on them.

Need examples?

Is deflection all you got?

And yet you have nothing to refute these facts,
or a single document vesting sovereignty with any Arab nation.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The Hostile Arab Palestinians must accept the consequences of their destuctive actions in violence.

​

Are you trying to say something or is this just another smear?

(COMMENT)

HAMAS and the members of their general population are the proximate cause for the military action taken against the hostile opponents.

What happened to the 40 years of occupation before there was Hamas?

(COMMENT)

Let's see: HAMAS was created in 1988. The Israelis made their unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in 2005.

The prior control of the Gaza Strip by the Israelis came about in 1967 when the Arab Foreign with the withdrawal of the Egyptian Military Governorship. It was not taken from the Arab Palestinians. On 26 March 1979 (10 years before HAMAS was created) and without prejudice to the Arab Palestinians, an Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty established the new international boundaries.

Article II​

​

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.​

View attachment 337602View attachment 337603
​

For more details see the direct links :

• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - After the Signing - Photo (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Hebrew
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - American - Israeli Memorandum - Oil
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - English
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Map of Demilitarization Arrangements for the Sinai (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Annex I - Map 1 (Withdrawal Zones) - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 1 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 5 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 2 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 4 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Newspaper Article - Hebrew (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 6 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - 30th Anniversary Video
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Map - Hebrew (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Photo of the signing
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 3 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - American - Israeli Memorandum

Until 2005 Israeli Unilateral withdrawal, the territory was never sovereign under the Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

HAMAS and the members of their general population are the proximate cause for the military action taken against the hostile opponents.

Only if you rule out Palestinian self defense.

The prior control of the Gaza Strip by the Israelis came about in 1967 when the Arab Foreign with the withdrawal of the Egyptian Military Governorship.

A Military Governorship does not hold sovereignty. The Gaza Strip was (is) occupied Palestinian territory.

On 26 March 1979 (10 years before HAMAS was created) and without prejudice to the Arab Palestinians, an Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty established the new international boundaries.

How did a Palestinian border turn into an Israeli border? How did Israel acquire that territory?

Link?

How did St. Petersburg acquire territory in Leningrad?
By being a subject of the nation vested with sovereignty over the territory.

We've been all over the documents,
in all these years you've been unable to produce a single document
that shows specifically that the sovereignty was ever vested with Arabs.

Govt. documents, and even the coins Pali propaganda love to flail so much
- all have Hebrew and 'Land of Israel' written on them.

Need examples?

Is deflection all you got?

And yet you have nothing to refute these facts,
or a single document vesting sovereignty with any Arab nation.

I have, but Zionists are slow learners.

 

[rylah]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The Hostile Arab Palestinians must accept the consequences of their destuctive actions in violence.

​

Are you trying to say something or is this just another smear?

(COMMENT)

HAMAS and the members of their general population are the proximate cause for the military action taken against the hostile opponents.

What happened to the 40 years of occupation before there was Hamas?

(COMMENT)

Let's see: HAMAS was created in 1988. The Israelis made their unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in 2005.

The prior control of the Gaza Strip by the Israelis came about in 1967 when the Arab Foreign with the withdrawal of the Egyptian Military Governorship. It was not taken from the Arab Palestinians. On 26 March 1979 (10 years before HAMAS was created) and without prejudice to the Arab Palestinians, an Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty established the new international boundaries.

Article II​

​

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.​

View attachment 337602View attachment 337603
​

For more details see the direct links :

• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - After the Signing - Photo (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Hebrew
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - American - Israeli Memorandum - Oil
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - English
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Map of Demilitarization Arrangements for the Sinai (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Annex I - Map 1 (Withdrawal Zones) - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 1 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 5 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 2 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 4 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Newspaper Article - Hebrew (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 6 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - 30th Anniversary Video
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Map - Hebrew (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Photo of the signing
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 3 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - American - Israeli Memorandum

Until 2005 Israeli Unilateral withdrawal, the territory was never sovereign under the Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

HAMAS and the members of their general population are the proximate cause for the military action taken against the hostile opponents.

Only if you rule out Palestinian self defense.

The prior control of the Gaza Strip by the Israelis came about in 1967 when the Arab Foreign with the withdrawal of the Egyptian Military Governorship.

A Military Governorship does not hold sovereignty. The Gaza Strip was (is) occupied Palestinian territory.

On 26 March 1979 (10 years before HAMAS was created) and without prejudice to the Arab Palestinians, an Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty established the new international boundaries.

How did a Palestinian border turn into an Israeli border? How did Israel acquire that territory?

Link?

How did St. Petersburg acquire territory in Leningrad?
By being a subject of the nation vested with sovereignty over the territory.

We've been all over the documents,
in all these years you've been unable to produce a single document
that shows specifically that the sovereignty was ever vested with Arabs.

Govt. documents, and even the coins Pali propaganda love to flail so much
- all have Hebrew and 'Land of Israel' written on them.

Need examples?

Is deflection all you got?

And yet you have nothing to refute these facts,
or a single document vesting sovereignty with any Arab nation.

I have, but Zionists are slow learners.

Slow learners, as in you can't produce a single international law
that mentions the territory being vested with an Arab sovereignty?

I've got plenty literally mentioning the Jewish nation and re-constitution.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The Hostile Arab Palestinians must accept the consequences of their destuctive actions in violence.

​

Are you trying to say something or is this just another smear?

(COMMENT)

HAMAS and the members of their general population are the proximate cause for the military action taken against the hostile opponents.

What happened to the 40 years of occupation before there was Hamas?

(COMMENT)

Let's see: HAMAS was created in 1988. The Israelis made their unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip in 2005.

The prior control of the Gaza Strip by the Israelis came about in 1967 when the Arab Foreign with the withdrawal of the Egyptian Military Governorship. It was not taken from the Arab Palestinians. On 26 March 1979 (10 years before HAMAS was created) and without prejudice to the Arab Palestinians, an Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty established the new international boundaries.

Article II​

​

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel is the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II, without prejudice to the issue of the status of the Gaza Strip. The Parties recognize this boundary as inviolable. Each will respect the territorial integrity of the other, including their territorial waters and airspace.​

View attachment 337602View attachment 337603
​

For more details see the direct links :

• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - After the Signing - Photo (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Hebrew
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - American - Israeli Memorandum - Oil
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - English
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Map of Demilitarization Arrangements for the Sinai (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Annex I - Map 1 (Withdrawal Zones) - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 1 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 5 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 2 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 4 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Newspaper Article - Hebrew (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 6 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - 30th Anniversary Video
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Map - Hebrew (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Photo of the signing
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - Border Demarcation Map 3 - English (1979)
• Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty - American - Israeli Memorandum

Until 2005 Israeli Unilateral withdrawal, the territory was never sovereign under the Arab Palestinians.

Most Respectfully,
R

HAMAS and the members of their general population are the proximate cause for the military action taken against the hostile opponents.

Only if you rule out Palestinian self defense.

The prior control of the Gaza Strip by the Israelis came about in 1967 when the Arab Foreign with the withdrawal of the Egyptian Military Governorship.

A Military Governorship does not hold sovereignty. The Gaza Strip was (is) occupied Palestinian territory.

On 26 March 1979 (10 years before HAMAS was created) and without prejudice to the Arab Palestinians, an Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty established the new international boundaries.

How did a Palestinian border turn into an Israeli border? How did Israel acquire that territory?

Link?

How did St. Petersburg acquire territory in Leningrad?
By being a subject of the nation vested with sovereignty over the territory.

We've been all over the documents,
in all these years you've been unable to produce a single document
that shows specifically that the sovereignty was ever vested with Arabs.

Govt. documents, and even the coins Pali propaganda love to flail so much
- all have Hebrew and 'Land of Israel' written on them.

Need examples?

Is deflection all you got?

And yet you have nothing to refute these facts,
or a single document vesting sovereignty with any Arab nation.

I have, but Zionists are slow learners.

Slow learners, as in you can't produce a single international law
that mentions the territory being vested with an Arab sovereignty?

I've got plenty literally mentioning the Jewish nation and re-constitution.

I ask a specific question and you respond with irrelevant Israeli talking points.

How should I respond?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Part of the problem here is your not connecting the dots.

Only if you rule out Palestinian self-defense.

(COMMENT)

The Hostile Arab Palestinian Aggressors cannot claim self-defense. They have nothing to defend and have not exercised any dispute resolution process in over 70 years.

The Arab Palestinians were NOT attacked or subject to aggression by the Israelis. In the case of the Gaza Strip, the 1948 Arab League assault on Israel did NOT END until the 1979 Treaty with Egypt. Notice that this is almost 10 years before the Palestine Liberation Organization declared independence.

A Military Governorship does not hold sovereignty. The Gaza Strip was (is) occupied Palestinian territory.

(COMMENT)

As demonstrated, supra, the Palestinians cannot claim they had sovereign control of the Gaza Strip until the withdrawal in 2005 by the Israeli. This is when the Israeli voluntarily relinquished effective control. Before 2005, it was NOT autonomous under Arab Palestinian control.

How did a Palestinian border turn into an Israeli border? How did Israel acquire that territory?

(COMMENT)

"Self-Determination"

Definition of self-determination

1 : free choice of one's own acts or states without external compulsion​

2 : determination by the people of a territorial unit of their own future political status​

​

"The principle of self-determination is mentioned in the United Nations Charter and has often been stressed in resolutions passed by the UN General Assembly. The concept is most often used in connection with the right of colonies to independence. It does not relate to attempts at independence by groups, such as the French Canadians or the Nagas of India, who do not possess their own sovereign states."

But the logic of your question is, in itself, questionable.

THOUGHT EXPERIMENT:

Suppose for a moment that the "Right of Self-Determination" DID NOT EXIST in 1948!

◈ What impact would that have on Israel of today?​

​

✦ Is International Body going to take repossess the nation and return it to some undefined entity?​

​

✦ Is International Body going to dismantle the Jewish National Home?​

​

✦ Is International Body going to destroy the most developed nation of all the other nations in the Middle East?​

Do any of all the other nations in the Middle East actually want to turn over the State of Israel to any of the terrorist factions controlling the Arab Palestinians? Do they really want the Hostile Arab Palestinians in favor of a Caliph to have control over the Shimon Peres Negev Nuclear Research Center? For heaven's sake, HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement) would be selling tickets for tours and FATAH (the other Palestinian political and military organization) would be holding auctions over materials in the first hour.

I don't really understand the intent of your question. OR What you expect some international body to do. But I don't think that any international body is going to want to expand the conflict beyond the confined area it has now.

Tell me!

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

The principle of self-determination

Thanks for the link.

Self-Determination​

​

The political right of the majority to the exercise of power within the boundaries of a generally accepted political unit, area, or territory.​

When Palestine was created in 1924 it was a territory defined by international borders. The Palestinians became Palestinian nationals and citizens of Palestine. This was determined by citizenship in the former sovereign, the Turkish/Ottoman Empire.

At that time the Jewish citizenship was 5% or so.

Even when Israel was declared, the Jewish population was only about 1/3 and citizenship in Palestine was considerably less than that.

These numbers do not add up.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: Part of the problem here is your not connecting the dots.

Only if you rule out Palestinian self-defense.

(COMMENT)

The Hostile Arab Palestinian Aggressors cannot claim self-defense. They have nothing to defend and have not exercised any dispute resolution process in over 70 years.

The Arab Palestinians were NOT attacked or subject to aggression by the Israelis. In the case of the Gaza Strip, the 1948 Arab League assault on Israel did NOT END until the 1979 Treaty with Egypt. Notice that this is almost 10 years before the Palestine Liberation Organization declared independence.

A Military Governorship does not hold sovereignty. The Gaza Strip was (is) occupied Palestinian territory.

(COMMENT)

As demonstrated, supra, the Palestinians cannot claim they had sovereign control of the Gaza Strip until the withdrawal in 2005 by the Israeli. This is when the Israeli voluntarily relinquished effective control. Before 2005, it was NOT autonomous under Arab Palestinian control.

How did a Palestinian border turn into an Israeli border? How did Israel acquire that territory?

(COMMENT)

"Self-Determination"

Definition of self-determination

1 : free choice of one's own acts or states without external compulsion​

2 : determination by the people of a territorial unit of their own future political status​

​

"The principle of self-determination is mentioned in the United Nations Charter and has often been stressed in resolutions passed by the UN General Assembly. The concept is most often used in connection with the right of colonies to independence. It does not relate to attempts at independence by groups, such as the French Canadians or the Nagas of India, who do not possess their own sovereign states."

But the logic of your question is, in itself, questionable.

THOUGHT EXPERIMENT:

Suppose for a moment that the "Right of Self-Determination" DID NOT EXIST in 1948!

◈ What impact would that have on Israel of today?​

​

✦ Is International Body going to take repossess the nation and return it to some undefined entity?​

​

✦ Is International Body going to dismantle the Jewish National Home?​

​

✦ Is International Body going to destroy the most developed nation of all the other nations in the Middle East?​

Do any of all the other nations in the Middle East actually want to turn over the State of Israel to any of the terrorist factions controlling the Arab Palestinians? Do they really want the Hostile Arab Palestinians in favor of a Caliph to have control over the Shimon Peres Negev Nuclear Research Center? For heaven's sake, HAMAS (Islamic Resistance Movement) would be selling tickets for tours and FATAH (the other Palestinian political and military organization) would be holding auctions over materials in the first hour.

I don't really understand the intent of your question. OR What you expect some international body to do. But I don't think that any international body is going to want to expand the conflict beyond the confined area it has now.

Tell me!

Most Respectfully,
R

There are multiple UN resolutions specifying the right of the Palestinian to self determination.

I have seen no corresponding resolutions for Israel.