Palestine Today

[P F Tinmore]

Arabs-Moslems, it your your right to be arrested, or worse, for assault.

But don’t mind PF Tinmore, your arrest will net him a YouTube video.

Arabs-Moslems, it your your right to be arrested, or worse, for assault.

But don’t mind PF Tinmore, your arrest will net him a YouTube video.

Violence is Israel's answer to everything.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ ding, et al,

These are related questions of the same family tree.

Israel's claim to the land is based upon a fairy tale.

The international decision-making processes is responsible for the bad fruit. What basis did it have for granting Israel any land?

(COMMENT)

After the cessation of hostilities of the Great War (the guns come to a halt gradually) and political remnants began to solidify out of the four Great Empires that collapsed and fell [Imperial German (Kaiser Wilhelm II), Imperial Russian (Tsar Nicholas II), Ottoman Empire,(Sultan Abdulmejid II, Caliph), & Austro-Hungarian (Karl Franz Joseph)], the Allied Powers presented the Treaty of Sevres to the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic. The treaty was accepted and signed by:

※ Senator and General HAADI Pasha;
※ Senator RIZA TEVFIK Bey;
※ Minister RECHAD HALISS Bey, Special Envoy and Ambassador of Turkey at Berne;​

However, the Treaty was rejected by Field Marshal Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and at the conclusion of the Turkish War of Independence, Field Marshal Atatürk, founded the new Republic. The Treaty of Sevres was never ratified by the Turkish Senate (ie President Atatürk), and a new Treaty (the Treaty of Lausanne) was concocted.

The applicable paragraph in the Treaty of Sevres:

• SECTION XIII. - GENERAL PROVISIONS. ARTICLE 132 •

Outside her frontiers as fixed by the present Treaty Turkey hereby renounces in favour of the Principal Allied Powers all rights and title which she could claim on any ground over or concerning any territories outside Europe which are not otherwise disposed of by the present Treaty.

Turkey undertakes to recognise and conform to the measures which may be taken now or in the future by the Principal Allied Powers, in agreement where necessary with third Powers, in order to carry the above stipulation into effect.​

This essentially replaces the Armistice of Mudros, which was considered the Surrender of the Ottoman Empire and the conclusion of that theater of the Great War.

• Article XVI - Mudros Agreement: Armistice with Turkey, October 30, 1918 •

Surrender of all garrisons in Hedjaz, Assir, Yemen, Syria, and Mesopotamia to the nearest Allied Commander; and the withdrawal of troops from Cicilia, except those necessary to maintain order, as will be determined under Clause V.​

After the Armistice went into effect, the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) took responsibility and relinquished it on July 1920 to the Civil Administration which would become the authority, under which the Mandate for Palestine would be assigned.

Upon establishment of the new Republic, President Atatürk, accepted the negotiated terms of the Treaty. The applicable paragraph in the Treaty of Lausanne:

• SECTION I - TERRITORIAL CLAUSES - ARTICLE 16 •

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighbourly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries.​

While the wording is different, the effect was essentially the same. The "rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories" were relinquished to the Allied Powers. This is the "basis did it have for granting Israel any land." The sovereign over the former territory of the Ottoman Empire renounced the Title and Rights to the Allied Powers by Treaty (one sovereign to a collective of sovereigns).

I hope this answered your questions

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

Arabs-Moslems, it your your right to be arrested, or worse, for assault.

But don’t mind PF Tinmore, your arrest will net him a YouTube video.

Arabs-Moslems, it your your right to be arrested, or worse, for assault.

But don’t mind PF Tinmore, your arrest will net him a YouTube video.

Violence is Israel's answer to everything.

Resistance is the answer to the islamist gee-had, plus a little assist from Lockheed-Martin.

Many may not know this but Islam Lockheed-Martin means submission.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ ding, et al,

These are related questions of the same family tree.

Israel's claim to the land is based upon a fairy tale.

The international decision-making processes is responsible for the bad fruit. What basis did it have for granting Israel any land?

(COMMENT)

After the cessation of hostilities of the Great War (the guns come to a halt gradually) and political remnants began to solidify out of the four Great Empires that collapsed and fell [Imperial German (Kaiser Wilhelm II), Imperial Russian (Tsar Nicholas II), Ottoman Empire,(Sultan Abdulmejid II, Caliph), & Austro-Hungarian (Karl Franz Joseph)], the Allied Powers presented the Treaty of Sevres to the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic. The treaty was accepted and signed by:

※ Senator and General HAADI Pasha;
※ Senator RIZA TEVFIK Bey;
※ Minister RECHAD HALISS Bey, Special Envoy and Ambassador of Turkey at Berne;​

However, the Treaty was rejected by Field Marshal Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and at the conclusion of the Turkish War of Independence, Field Marshal Atatürk, founded the new Republic. The Treaty of Sevres was never ratified by the Turkish Senate (ie President Atatürk), and a new Treaty (the Treaty of Lausanne) was concocted.

The applicable paragraph in the Treaty of Sevres:

• SECTION XIII. - GENERAL PROVISIONS. ARTICLE 132 •

Outside her frontiers as fixed by the present Treaty Turkey hereby renounces in favour of the Principal Allied Powers all rights and title which she could claim on any ground over or concerning any territories outside Europe which are not otherwise disposed of by the present Treaty.

Turkey undertakes to recognise and conform to the measures which may be taken now or in the future by the Principal Allied Powers, in agreement where necessary with third Powers, in order to carry the above stipulation into effect.​

This essentially replaces the Armistice of Mudros, which was considered the Surrender of the Ottoman Empire and the conclusion of that theater of the Great War.

• Article XVI - Mudros Agreement: Armistice with Turkey, October 30, 1918 •

Surrender of all garrisons in Hedjaz, Assir, Yemen, Syria, and Mesopotamia to the nearest Allied Commander; and the withdrawal of troops from Cicilia, except those necessary to maintain order, as will be determined under Clause V.​

After the Armistice went into effect, the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) took responsibility and relinquished it on July 1920 to the Civil Administration which would become the authority, under which the Mandate for Palestine would be assigned.

Upon establishment of the new Republic, President Atatürk, accepted the negotiated terms of the Treaty. The applicable paragraph in the Treaty of Lausanne:

• SECTION I - TERRITORIAL CLAUSES - ARTICLE 16 •

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighbourly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries.​

While the wording is different, the effect was essentially the same. The "rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories" were relinquished to the Allied Powers. This is the "basis did it have for granting Israel any land." The sovereign over the former territory of the Ottoman Empire renounced the Title and Rights to the Allied Powers by Treaty (one sovereign to a collective of sovereigns).

I hope this answered your questions

Most Respectfully,
R

While the wording is different, the effect was essentially the same. The "rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories" were relinquished to the Allied Powers. This is the "basis did it have for granting Israel any land."

The land and citizenship were transferred directly to the people in their respective defined territories.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Arabs-Moslems, it your your right to be arrested, or worse, for assault.

But don’t mind PF Tinmore, your arrest will net him a YouTube video.

Arabs-Moslems, it your your right to be arrested, or worse, for assault.

But don’t mind PF Tinmore, your arrest will net him a YouTube video.

Violence is Israel's answer to everything.

Resistance is the answer to the islamist gee-had, plus a little assist from Lockheed-Martin.

Many may not know this but Islam Lockheed-Martin means submission.

Indeed, violence is Israel's answer to everything.

 

[Hollie]

Arabs-Moslems, it your your right to be arrested, or worse, for assault.

But don’t mind PF Tinmore, your arrest will net him a YouTube video.

Arabs-Moslems, it your your right to be arrested, or worse, for assault.

But don’t mind PF Tinmore, your arrest will net him a YouTube video.

Violence is Israel's answer to everything.

Resistance is the answer to the islamist gee-had, plus a little assist from Lockheed-Martin.

Many may not know this but Islam Lockheed-Martin means submission.

Indeed, violence is Israel's answer to everything.

Indeed, you’re stuttering and mumbling.

Indeed, I believe most rational people understand that gee-had attacks from Islamic terrorist franchises will elicit a response.

Indeed, you obviously can’t address why israel responds to islamic terrorist attacks with such measures as targeted air strikes with precision munitions as opposed to area-wide bombing of Islamic terrorist infrastructure.

Indeed, Israel could have chosen to respond to the Islamic terrorist border gee-had attacks with artillery and air strikes but did not.

Indeed, your belief that gee-had attacks are to be an entitlement without consequence is rather comical as you wage your gee-had from a kuffar innovated keyboard across the kuffar innovated and maintained web.

 

[Shusha]

Israel's claim to the land is based upon a fairy tale.

Israel's claim is based on the same claim of self-determination that the Arab Palestinian claim is. (Though the Jewish claim is the stronger claim). Did you want to argue against the principle of self-determination?

 

[Shusha]

The international decision-making processes is responsible for the bad fruit. What basis did it have for granting Israel any land?

Self-determination of a peoples with a long history on that land. Again, did you want to argue against that principle?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You get this wrong - every -- single --- time!

While the wording is different, the effect was essentially the same. The "rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories" were relinquished to the Allied Powers. This is the "basis did it have for granting Israel any land."

The land and citizenship were transferred directly to the people in their respective defined territories.

(COMMENT)

You are confusing the Political Phrase "Rights and Title" with the real estate term for land (about the only civil right at the time). But don't confuse ownership and real estate property rights with sovereign territorial issues. And don't confuse nationality status with sovereignty.

The Article 30 address on nationality was an effect by the Allied Powers to ensure there were no "stateless people. It represents a very early attempt at, what is covered today, in the Convention Related to the Status of Stateless People (CRSSP)(1954). Article 2 of the CRSSP addresses that: Every Stateless person has a duty to the country in which he finds himself, which requires in particular that he conform to its laws and regulations as well as to measures taken for the maintenance of public order. It is a very complex Convention that was thought to cover the wholes found unaddressed by treaty arrangements.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

RE: Palestine Today
⁜→ ding, et al,

These are related questions of the same family tree.

Israel's claim to the land is based upon a fairy tale.

The international decision-making processes is responsible for the bad fruit. What basis did it have for granting Israel any land?

(COMMENT)

After the cessation of hostilities of the Great War (the guns come to a halt gradually) and political remnants began to solidify out of the four Great Empires that collapsed and fell [Imperial German (Kaiser Wilhelm II), Imperial Russian (Tsar Nicholas II), Ottoman Empire,(Sultan Abdulmejid II, Caliph), & Austro-Hungarian (Karl Franz Joseph)], the Allied Powers presented the Treaty of Sevres to the Ottoman Empire/Turkish Republic. The treaty was accepted and signed by:

※ Senator and General HAADI Pasha;
※ Senator RIZA TEVFIK Bey;
※ Minister RECHAD HALISS Bey, Special Envoy and Ambassador of Turkey at Berne;​

However, the Treaty was rejected by Field Marshal Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and at the conclusion of the Turkish War of Independence, Field Marshal Atatürk, founded the new Republic. The Treaty of Sevres was never ratified by the Turkish Senate (ie President Atatürk), and a new Treaty (the Treaty of Lausanne) was concocted.

The applicable paragraph in the Treaty of Sevres:

• SECTION XIII. - GENERAL PROVISIONS. ARTICLE 132 •

Outside her frontiers as fixed by the present Treaty Turkey hereby renounces in favour of the Principal Allied Powers all rights and title which she could claim on any ground over or concerning any territories outside Europe which are not otherwise disposed of by the present Treaty.

Turkey undertakes to recognise and conform to the measures which may be taken now or in the future by the Principal Allied Powers, in agreement where necessary with third Powers, in order to carry the above stipulation into effect.​

This essentially replaces the Armistice of Mudros, which was considered the Surrender of the Ottoman Empire and the conclusion of that theater of the Great War.

• Article XVI - Mudros Agreement: Armistice with Turkey, October 30, 1918 •

Surrender of all garrisons in Hedjaz, Assir, Yemen, Syria, and Mesopotamia to the nearest Allied Commander; and the withdrawal of troops from Cicilia, except those necessary to maintain order, as will be determined under Clause V.​

After the Armistice went into effect, the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) took responsibility and relinquished it on July 1920 to the Civil Administration which would become the authority, under which the Mandate for Palestine would be assigned.

Upon establishment of the new Republic, President Atatürk, accepted the negotiated terms of the Treaty. The applicable paragraph in the Treaty of Lausanne:

• SECTION I - TERRITORIAL CLAUSES - ARTICLE 16 •

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.

The provisions of the present Article do not prejudice any special arrangements arising from neighbourly relations which have been or may be concluded between Turkey and any limitrophe countries.​

While the wording is different, the effect was essentially the same. The "rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories" were relinquished to the Allied Powers. This is the "basis did it have for granting Israel any land." The sovereign over the former territory of the Ottoman Empire renounced the Title and Rights to the Allied Powers by Treaty (one sovereign to a collective of sovereigns).

I hope this answered your questions

Most Respectfully,
R

While the wording is different, the effect was essentially the same. The "rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories" were relinquished to the Allied Powers. This is the "basis did it have for granting Israel any land."

The land and citizenship were transferred directly to the people in their respective defined territories.

This is what, the 8433rd time you have made that nonsense claim?

And no, this is not the thread to cut and paste your usual collections of out of context snippets.

 

[Shusha]

The land and citizenship were transferred directly to the people in their respective defined territories.

 

[P F Tinmore]

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138 in favor.
41 chickens.
9 assholes.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

 

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