Palestine Today

[P F Tinmore]

Then why are they called occupied Palestinian territory and not occupied Egyptian or Jordanian territory?

When they were OFFICIALLY part of Jordan and Egypt somehow the words “ occupation “ and “ International Law “ were never mentioned. Get that button out!!

They were not brutal, settler colonial occupations like Israel. Both actually tried to benefit the Palestinians.

Typical Pro Palestinian lame answer. Notice how “ International Law” or “ occupation “ is not even mentioned?

Perhaps they did not say it but Israel was constantly bitching about Palestinian attacks in the decades following 1948.

It all started with Arab pogroms,
before 1948 of after by its' nature a continuation of the same attack,
and that is what sparked Zionism in the first place.

 

[rylah]

When they were OFFICIALLY part of Jordan and Egypt somehow the words “ occupation “ and “ International Law “ were never mentioned. Get that button out!!

They were not brutal, settler colonial occupations like Israel. Both actually tried to benefit the Palestinians.

Typical Pro Palestinian lame answer. Notice how “ International Law” or “ occupation “ is not even mentioned?

Perhaps they did not say it but Israel was constantly bitching about Palestinian attacks in the decades following 1948.

It all started with Arab pogroms,
before 1948 of after by its' nature a continuation of the same attack,
and that is what sparked Zionism in the first place.

It all started with Arab pogroms,
what's so hard to understand?

 

[P F Tinmore]

They were not brutal, settler colonial occupations like Israel. Both actually tried to benefit the Palestinians.

Typical Pro Palestinian lame answer. Notice how “ International Law” or “ occupation “ is not even mentioned?

Perhaps they did not say it but Israel was constantly bitching about Palestinian attacks in the decades following 1948.

It all started with Arab pogroms,
before 1948 of after by its' nature a continuation of the same attack,
and that is what sparked Zionism in the first place.

It all started with Arab pogroms,
what's so hard to understand?

What programs were there before the Zionist settler colonial project?

 

[Shusha]

RE: Palestine today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This is actually a timeline question.

Then why are they called occupied Palestinian territory and not occupied Egyptian or Jordanian territory?

(COMMENT)

Between 1950 and 1988, the West Bank was "Sovereign Jordanian Territory." And no matter what the rest of the world might think about it, between 1949 and 1967, the Jordanian Sovereignty was strictly enforced by Jordan.

Between 1967 and July 1988, the West Bank was Israeli Occupied Jordanian Territory. It was in August 1988 that the Jordanians forfeited control and sovereignty. That left the West Bank in the hands of the Israelis. There was no Palestinian Government until November 1988.

The Gaza Strip was Egyptian Military Governorship from 1949 → until the 1967 War.

( ∑ )

Remember, the name "Palestine" means something entirely different than that of a self-governing institution govern by and exercising sovereign power by → Arab Palestinians.


Most Respectfully,
R

I disagree with this. Under what pretense did the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan have sovereign territory OUTSIDE its legally defined boundaries as established in Mandate documents?

The territory in question (the remainder of Palestine) was determined, by the Allied Powers who had control for the dispensation of the territories on behalf of those working to achieve independence and self-determination, to come under the sovereignty of the Jewish people. This independence was achieved in 1948 when the State of Israel was declared and fulfilled the normative requirements for Statehood.

Therefore, between 1948 and 1967 the "West Bank" was Israeli territory under the effective control of Jordan. It was Israeli territory occupied by Jordan. Between 1967 and 1988 it was Israeli territory under the military control of Israel. In 1988, Jordan relinquished control and ceded all claims (which it never had to begin with), thus bringing the "West Bank" back to full Israeli sovereignty. And thus the peace agreement between them shows a border between Jordan and Israel.

In November 1988, the State of Palestine was declared but it had not yet fulfilled the requirements for Statehood (one could argue that it still has not). In particular, it had no territory under its control. It was the Oslo Accords which finally delineated territory specifically to the the emerging State of Palestine in Areas A, B and Gaza. Area C was left as disputed territory, to be finalized in a peace agreement between Israel and the eventual State of Palestine.

The way I see it, today, Israel has not formally ceded any territory and all of Mandatory Palestine, except Jordan, legally falls under Israel's sovereignty, pending the emergence of a State of Palestine and a peace agreement, though Israel certainly seems to have declared her intent to cede a portion of her territory to that emerging State.

 

[Hollie]

Typical Pro Palestinian lame answer. Notice how “ International Law” or “ occupation “ is not even mentioned?

Perhaps they did not say it but Israel was constantly bitching about Palestinian attacks in the decades following 1948.

It all started with Arab pogroms,
before 1948 of after by its' nature a continuation of the same attack,
and that is what sparked Zionism in the first place.

It all started with Arab pogroms,
what's so hard to understand?

What programs were there before the Zionist settler colonial project?

The islamic settler colonial project.

 

[rylah]

Typical Pro Palestinian lame answer. Notice how “ International Law” or “ occupation “ is not even mentioned?

Perhaps they did not say it but Israel was constantly bitching about Palestinian attacks in the decades following 1948.

It all started with Arab pogroms,
before 1948 of after by its' nature a continuation of the same attack,
and that is what sparked Zionism in the first place.

It all started with Arab pogroms,
what's so hard to understand?

What programs were there before the Zionist settler colonial project?

Nineteenth century
The Damascus affair was an accusation of ritual murder and a blood libel against Jews in Damascus in 1840. On February 5, 1840, Franciscan Capuchin friar Father Thomas and his Greek servant were reported missing, never to be seen again. The Turkish governor and the French consul Ratti-Menton believed accusations of ritual murder and blood libel, as the alleged murder occurred before the Jewish Passover. An investigation was staged, and Solomon Negrin, a Jewish barber, confessed under torture and accused other Jews. Two other Jews died under torture, and one (Moses Abulafia) converted to Islam to escape torture. More arrests and atrocities followed, culminating in 63 Jewish children being held hostage and mob attacks on Jewish communities throughout the Middle East. International outrage led to Ibrahim Pasha in Egypt ordering an investigation. Negotiations in Alexandria eventually secured the unconditional release and recognition of innocence of the nine prisoners still remaining alive (out of thirteen). Later in Constantinople, Moses Montefiore (leader of the British Jewish community) persuaded Sultan Abdülmecid I to issue a firman(edict) intended to halt the spread of blood libel accusations in the Ottoman Empire:

... and for the love we bear to our subjects, we cannot permit the Jewish nation, whose innocence for the crime alleged against them is evident, to be worried and tormented as a consequence of accusations which have not the least foundation in truth....

Nevertheless, pogroms spread through the Middle East and North Africa: Aleppo (1850, 1875), Damascus (1840, 1848, 1890), Beirut (1862, 1874), Dayr al-Qamar (1847), Jaffa (1876), Jerusalem (1847, 1870 and 1895), Cairo (1844, 1890, 1901–02), Mansura (1877), Alexandria (1870, 1882, 1901–07), Port Said (1903, 1908), and Damanhur (1871, 1873, 1877, 1891).[17]


Zionism is the Jewish liberation movement, that was actually initiated as a response to Arab pogroms in the 19th century middle east.

 

[USAF 2023]

They were not brutal, settler colonial occupations like Israel. Both actually tried to benefit the Palestinians.

Typical Pro Palestinian lame answer. Notice how “ International Law” or “ occupation “ is not even mentioned?

Perhaps they did not say it but Israel was constantly bitching about Palestinian attacks in the decades following 1948.

It all started with Arab pogroms,
before 1948 of after by its' nature a continuation of the same attack,
and that is what sparked Zionism in the first place.

It all started with Arab pogroms,
what's so hard to understand?

Did you see his You Tube Video in which the Hasidic declared Israel is Shouldn’t Exist? THAT says it All !!!

 

[rylah]

Typical Pro Palestinian lame answer. Notice how “ International Law” or “ occupation “ is not even mentioned?

Perhaps they did not say it but Israel was constantly bitching about Palestinian attacks in the decades following 1948.

It all started with Arab pogroms,
before 1948 of after by its' nature a continuation of the same attack,
and that is what sparked Zionism in the first place.

It all started with Arab pogroms,
what's so hard to understand?

Did you see his You Tube Video in which the Hasidic declared Israel is Shouldn’t Exist? THAT says it All !!!

Yes, and I've seen his video where Gazans were calling their youth to go kill Jews and die together.

 

[USAF 2023]

Perhaps they did not say it but Israel was constantly bitching about Palestinian attacks in the decades following 1948.

It all started with Arab pogroms,
before 1948 of after by its' nature a continuation of the same attack,
and that is what sparked Zionism in the first place.

It all started with Arab pogroms,
what's so hard to understand?

Did you see his You Tube Video in which the Hasidic declared Israel is Shouldn’t Exist? THAT says it All !!!

Yes, and I've seen his video where Gazans were calling their youth to go kill Jews and die together.

Saw that one also. Yet we’re supposed to bemoan Palestinians who are killed??

 

[P F Tinmore]

Perhaps they did not say it but Israel was constantly bitching about Palestinian attacks in the decades following 1948.

It all started with Arab pogroms,
before 1948 of after by its' nature a continuation of the same attack,
and that is what sparked Zionism in the first place.

It all started with Arab pogroms,
what's so hard to understand?

What programs were there before the Zionist settler colonial project?

Nineteenth century
The Damascus affair was an accusation of ritual murder and a blood libel against Jews in Damascus in 1840. On February 5, 1840, Franciscan Capuchin friar Father Thomas and his Greek servant were reported missing, never to be seen again. The Turkish governor and the French consul Ratti-Menton believed accusations of ritual murder and blood libel, as the alleged murder occurred before the Jewish Passover. An investigation was staged, and Solomon Negrin, a Jewish barber, confessed under torture and accused other Jews. Two other Jews died under torture, and one (Moses Abulafia) converted to Islam to escape torture. More arrests and atrocities followed, culminating in 63 Jewish children being held hostage and mob attacks on Jewish communities throughout the Middle East. International outrage led to Ibrahim Pasha in Egypt ordering an investigation. Negotiations in Alexandria eventually secured the unconditional release and recognition of innocence of the nine prisoners still remaining alive (out of thirteen). Later in Constantinople, Moses Montefiore (leader of the British Jewish community) persuaded Sultan Abdülmecid I to issue a firman(edict) intended to halt the spread of blood libel accusations in the Ottoman Empire:

... and for the love we bear to our subjects, we cannot permit the Jewish nation, whose innocence for the crime alleged against them is evident, to be worried and tormented as a consequence of accusations which have not the least foundation in truth....

Nevertheless, pogroms spread through the Middle East and North Africa: Aleppo (1850, 1875), Damascus (1840, 1848, 1890), Beirut (1862, 1874), Dayr al-Qamar (1847), Jaffa (1876), Jerusalem (1847, 1870 and 1895), Cairo (1844, 1890, 1901–02), Mansura (1877), Alexandria (1870, 1882, 1901–07), Port Said (1903, 1908), and Damanhur (1871, 1873, 1877, 1891).[17]


Zionism is the Jewish liberation movement, that was actually initiated as a response to Arab pogroms in the 19th century middle east.

No context?

 

[rylah]

It all started with Arab pogroms,
before 1948 of after by its' nature a continuation of the same attack,
and that is what sparked Zionism in the first place.

It all started with Arab pogroms,
what's so hard to understand?

What programs were there before the Zionist settler colonial project?

Nineteenth century
The Damascus affair was an accusation of ritual murder and a blood libel against Jews in Damascus in 1840. On February 5, 1840, Franciscan Capuchin friar Father Thomas and his Greek servant were reported missing, never to be seen again. The Turkish governor and the French consul Ratti-Menton believed accusations of ritual murder and blood libel, as the alleged murder occurred before the Jewish Passover. An investigation was staged, and Solomon Negrin, a Jewish barber, confessed under torture and accused other Jews. Two other Jews died under torture, and one (Moses Abulafia) converted to Islam to escape torture. More arrests and atrocities followed, culminating in 63 Jewish children being held hostage and mob attacks on Jewish communities throughout the Middle East. International outrage led to Ibrahim Pasha in Egypt ordering an investigation. Negotiations in Alexandria eventually secured the unconditional release and recognition of innocence of the nine prisoners still remaining alive (out of thirteen). Later in Constantinople, Moses Montefiore (leader of the British Jewish community) persuaded Sultan Abdülmecid I to issue a firman(edict) intended to halt the spread of blood libel accusations in the Ottoman Empire:

... and for the love we bear to our subjects, we cannot permit the Jewish nation, whose innocence for the crime alleged against them is evident, to be worried and tormented as a consequence of accusations which have not the least foundation in truth....

Nevertheless, pogroms spread through the Middle East and North Africa: Aleppo (1850, 1875), Damascus (1840, 1848, 1890), Beirut (1862, 1874), Dayr al-Qamar (1847), Jaffa (1876), Jerusalem (1847, 1870 and 1895), Cairo (1844, 1890, 1901–02), Mansura (1877), Alexandria (1870, 1882, 1901–07), Port Said (1903, 1908), and Damanhur (1871, 1873, 1877, 1891).[17]


Zionism is the Jewish liberation movement, that was actually initiated as a response to Arab pogroms in the 19th century middle east.

No context?

The same Passover blood libel used today by the Palestinian ilk.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It all started with Arab pogroms,
what's so hard to understand?

What programs were there before the Zionist settler colonial project?

Nineteenth century
The Damascus affair was an accusation of ritual murder and a blood libel against Jews in Damascus in 1840. On February 5, 1840, Franciscan Capuchin friar Father Thomas and his Greek servant were reported missing, never to be seen again. The Turkish governor and the French consul Ratti-Menton believed accusations of ritual murder and blood libel, as the alleged murder occurred before the Jewish Passover. An investigation was staged, and Solomon Negrin, a Jewish barber, confessed under torture and accused other Jews. Two other Jews died under torture, and one (Moses Abulafia) converted to Islam to escape torture. More arrests and atrocities followed, culminating in 63 Jewish children being held hostage and mob attacks on Jewish communities throughout the Middle East. International outrage led to Ibrahim Pasha in Egypt ordering an investigation. Negotiations in Alexandria eventually secured the unconditional release and recognition of innocence of the nine prisoners still remaining alive (out of thirteen). Later in Constantinople, Moses Montefiore (leader of the British Jewish community) persuaded Sultan Abdülmecid I to issue a firman(edict) intended to halt the spread of blood libel accusations in the Ottoman Empire:

... and for the love we bear to our subjects, we cannot permit the Jewish nation, whose innocence for the crime alleged against them is evident, to be worried and tormented as a consequence of accusations which have not the least foundation in truth....

Nevertheless, pogroms spread through the Middle East and North Africa: Aleppo (1850, 1875), Damascus (1840, 1848, 1890), Beirut (1862, 1874), Dayr al-Qamar (1847), Jaffa (1876), Jerusalem (1847, 1870 and 1895), Cairo (1844, 1890, 1901–02), Mansura (1877), Alexandria (1870, 1882, 1901–07), Port Said (1903, 1908), and Damanhur (1871, 1873, 1877, 1891).[17]


Zionism is the Jewish liberation movement, that was actually initiated as a response to Arab pogroms in the 19th century middle east.

No context?

The same Passover blood libel used today by the Palestinian ilk.

I haven't seen that on any of the sites I visit.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

Is this an infomercial for the Islamic space program?

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

Arab-Moslem terrorists. Bring the joy.

 

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[P F Tinmore]