Palestianian Legitimacy Versus Terrorism

[P F Tinmore]

loinboy, et al,

OK, but remember, you pay the piper.

Hamas should refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Israel.

You cannot ask a population under occupation not to threaten the use of force.

A population under occupation has every right in the world to resist a foreign force.

(COMMENT)

You may call it a "right" --- but whatever you call it, it has a price.

Don't complain when the bill comes due. There are peaceful means to resolve the dispute. Use them, you might be surprised.

But to tell your fellow Palestinians that they have this right is not in their best interest.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, surrender is always the best solution.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nope, you make an assertion you need to provide proof. Wise ass...

You want proof you fuckin' asshole?


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=010E1x2DPHE]Israeli Soldiers Shooting at Farmers in Abassan Jedida - YouTube[/ame]


There's your proof!


Although, you're too much of a coward to probably watch it!

Israeli terrorism in action.

Then they whine about a few rockets.

 

[BecauseIKnow]

Nope, you make an assertion you need to provide proof. Wise ass...

You want proof you fuckin' asshole?


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=010E1x2DPHE]Israeli Soldiers Shooting at Farmers in Abassan Jedida - YouTube[/ame]


There's your proof!


Although, you're too much of a coward to probably watch it!

Israeli terrorism in action.

Then they whine about a few rockets.

The pro Israel crowd is trying to imply that the Palestinians can't defend themselves against an occupying force and also the fourth largest military in the world which is carrying out this brutal occupation.

 

[Connery]

Nope, you make an assertion you need to provide proof. Wise ass...

You want proof you fuckin' asshole?


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=010E1x2DPHE]Israeli Soldiers Shooting at Farmers in Abassan Jedida - YouTube[/ame]


There's your proof!


Although, you're too much of a coward to probably watch it!

This is not proof of anything. Palywood perhaps.

Nevertheless, the op still has not been addressed.The OP speaks to both legal and a philosophical issues. Not political issues, but those issues Palestine must face when dealing on thew world stage.

 

[SAYIT]

one has nothing to do with the other.

there are no internationally recognised "terrorist organisations." some people call the IDF a terrorist organtsation.

there more reasons for this attack than there was for the prior shooting attacks on palestinian civilians by the IDF after the cease fire that have left at least one palestinian dead and several injured.

Sure there are internationally recognized terrorist organizations, Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda, Islamic Jihad, etc. are among organizations that most of the West and civilized nations recognize as terrorist. The IDF is not recognized as terrorist if only by Islamic terrorist organizations or pariah nations. Just because you don't recognize Islamic terrorists as terrorists, doesn't mean that is the case.

they are not recognised by any international body....

EU recognizes Hamas as a terrorist organization.

 

[Connery]

one has nothing to do with the other.

there are no internationally recognised "terrorist organisations." some people call the IDF a terrorist organtsation.

there more reasons for this attack than there was for the prior shooting attacks on palestinian civilians by the IDF after the cease fire that have left at least one palestinian dead and several injured.

Sure there are internationally recognized terrorist organizations, Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda, Islamic Jihad, etc. are among organizations that most of the West and civilized nations recognize as terrorist. The IDF is not recognized as terrorist if only by Islamic terrorist organizations or pariah nations. Just because you don't recognize Islamic terrorists as terrorists, doesn't mean that is the case.

they are not recognised by any international body.

i don't recognise any organisation as a "terrorist" organisation.. it serves absolutely no purpose other than to inflame people, and inflamed people shoot sikhs in wisconsin and things like that, little else..

Lucky for the world you are not in any position of authority.

By way of example, Australia, Canada, European Union, Japan, United Kingdom recognize Hamas or parts therein as a terrorist organization. Further, Australia, England, Canada and Japan are member of the International Criminal Court.

United Nations Human Rights Council, July 06/06, A/HRC/S-1/NGO/4: Joint Statement on Hamas Charter stated, (11)" With the Hamas Charter now binding the Palestinian leadership, its call for the destruction of a Member State of the United Nations is in contravention to Article 2 (4) of the 1945 UN Charter. Article 3 (c) of the 1948 Genocide Convention condemns “direct and public incitement to commit genocide,” which is punishable under its article 4."
A/HRC/S-1/NGO/4 of 6 July 2006

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Pallywood is Zionist's DisneyLand, for them their happiest place on earth, but it is all make belive and they seemed to have forgotten that.

I only laugh when I see references to Pallywood. And the posters who spout that word, do they really not realize what a fool they make of themselves buying into all of that Zionist Propaganda, hook, line and sinker?

Sherri

 

[Lipush]

Isreal has created through years of abuse, bombing, torture, and indisriminate murder of civilians a ton of people who hate them. yes the legitimate angle is the way forward, (no thanks to isreal) but the missiles will still fall for a little while they hate your (isreals) gutts for killing their family and freinds.

They opened a war in 1948, a war which they're still paying the price to.

Maybe the greater lesson is "Don't try to destroy the Jews"?

This is getting boring, the european zionists invaded palestine using refugees as cover and terrorisum as their main weapon. This is not the great coming home of the jews that many zionist belive it is, its a european/western colonialization of palestine, simple.
stop your internel dialog, you are wrong, and probably an extreamly grotesque and ugly freak.

And your bashing is bullying.

Zionists returned to Israel because the world drove them to do so. You slaughter thousands of us, and expect us not to struggle to survive?

In the 30s, you called "Juden! go to Palestine!"

in the 21's century you call "Juden! get the hell out of Palestine!".

Nothing the Jews do ever satisfy you.

 

[Lipush]

Nope, you make an assertion you need to provide proof. Wise ass...

You want proof you fuckin' asshole?


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=010E1x2DPHE]Israeli Soldiers Shooting at Farmers in Abassan Jedida - YouTube[/ame]


There's your proof!


Although, you're too much of a coward to probably watch it!

Israeli terrorism in action.

Then they whine about a few rockets.

"The day of judgement will not come untill you fight the Jews and kill them, to the point when the Jew will hide behind the stones and trees, and the stones and trees will call out "Oh Muslim, Ya Ubdallah! a JEW is hiding behind me, come and kill him."

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Sure there are internationally recognized terrorist organizations, Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda, Islamic Jihad, etc. are among organizations that most of the West and civilized nations recognize as terrorist. The IDF is not recognized as terrorist if only by Islamic terrorist organizations or pariah nations. Just because you don't recognize Islamic terrorists as terrorists, doesn't mean that is the case.

they are not recognised by any international body.

i don't recognise any organisation as a "terrorist" organisation.. it serves absolutely no purpose other than to inflame people, and inflamed people shoot sikhs in wisconsin and things like that, little else..

Lucky for the world you are not in any position of authority.

By way of example, Australia, Canada, European Union, Japan, United Kingdom recognize Hamas or parts therein as a terrorist organization. Further, Australia, England, Canada and Japan are member of the International Criminal Court.

United Nations Human Rights Council, July 06/06, A/HRC/S-1/NGO/4: Joint Statement on Hamas Charter stated, (11)" With the Hamas Charter now binding the Palestinian leadership, its call for the destruction of a Member State of the United Nations is in contravention to Article 2 (4) of the 1945 UN Charter. Article 3 (c) of the 1948 Genocide Convention condemns “direct and public incitement to commit genocide,” which is punishable under its article 4."
A/HRC/S-1/NGO/4 of 6 July 2006

We are certainly fortunate Connery, who believes in Pallywood, is not in charge. He would nuke the whole Middle East, except Israel. And interesting how few nations call organizations terrorist organization, the majority do not, they see these groups as made up of human beings with the right to life and with human rights.

Sherri

 

[P F Tinmore]

Sure there are internationally recognized terrorist organizations, Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Queda, Islamic Jihad, etc. are among organizations that most of the West and civilized nations recognize as terrorist. The IDF is not recognized as terrorist if only by Islamic terrorist organizations or pariah nations. Just because you don't recognize Islamic terrorists as terrorists, doesn't mean that is the case.

they are not recognised by any international body.

i don't recognise any organisation as a "terrorist" organisation.. it serves absolutely no purpose other than to inflame people, and inflamed people shoot sikhs in wisconsin and things like that, little else..

Lucky for the world you are not in any position of authority.

By way of example, Australia, Canada, European Union, Japan, United Kingdom recognize Hamas or parts therein as a terrorist organization. Further, Australia, England, Canada and Japan are member of the International Criminal Court.

United Nations Human Rights Council, July 06/06, A/HRC/S-1/NGO/4: Joint Statement on Hamas Charter stated, (11)" With the Hamas Charter now binding the Palestinian leadership, its call for the destruction of a Member State of the United Nations is in contravention to Article 2 (4) of the 1945 UN Charter. Article 3 (c) of the 1948 Genocide Convention condemns “direct and public incitement to commit genocide,” which is punishable under its article 4."
A/HRC/S-1/NGO/4 of 6 July 2006

From your link.

HUMAN RIGHTS COUNCIL
First special session
5 July 2006




Joint written statement* submitted by the Association for World Education and the World Union for Progressive Judaism (WUPJ), non-governmental organizations on the Roster

The Secretary-General has received the following written statement which is circulated in accordance with Economic and Social Council resolution 1996/31.

[4 July 2006]

* The present document contains the statement that was to have been delivered orally by the organization(s) concerned at the first special session. It is issued, unedited and in the original language(s), as received. Its contents are the sole responsibility of the author(s). - See more at: A/HRC/S-1/NGO/4 of 6 July 2006

You are trying to pass this off as a UN document when it is merely a copy of a presentation written by the Association for World Education and the World Union for Progressive Judaism.

 

[Connery]

they are not recognised by any international body.

i don't recognise any organisation as a "terrorist" organisation.. it serves absolutely no purpose other than to inflame people, and inflamed people shoot sikhs in wisconsin and things like that, little else..

Lucky for the world you are not in any position of authority.

By way of example, Australia, Canada, European Union, Japan, United Kingdom recognize Hamas or parts therein as a terrorist organization. Further, Australia, England, Canada and Japan are member of the International Criminal Court.

United Nations Human Rights Council, July 06/06, A/HRC/S-1/NGO/4: Joint Statement on Hamas Charter stated, (11)" With the Hamas Charter now binding the Palestinian leadership, its call for the destruction of a Member State of the United Nations is in contravention to Article 2 (4) of the 1945 UN Charter. Article 3 (c) of the 1948 Genocide Convention condemns “direct and public incitement to commit genocide,” which is punishable under its article 4."
A/HRC/S-1/NGO/4 of 6 July 2006

We are certainly fortunate Connery, who believes in Pallywood, is not in charge. He would nuke the whole Middle East, except Israel. And interesting how few nations call organizations terrorist organization, the majority do not, they see these groups as made up of human beings with the right to life and with human rights.

Sherri

sherri you are, as usual, nuts in you assessment. Further, you have not addressed to OP.

 

[Connery]

they are not recognised by any international body.

i don't recognise any organisation as a "terrorist" organisation.. it serves absolutely no purpose other than to inflame people, and inflamed people shoot sikhs in wisconsin and things like that, little else..

Lucky for the world you are not in any position of authority.

By way of example, Australia, Canada, European Union, Japan, United Kingdom recognize Hamas or parts therein as a terrorist organization. Further, Australia, England, Canada and Japan are member of the International Criminal Court.

United Nations Human Rights Council, July 06/06, A/HRC/S-1/NGO/4: Joint Statement on Hamas Charter stated, (11)" With the Hamas Charter now binding the Palestinian leadership, its call for the destruction of a Member State of the United Nations is in contravention to Article 2 (4) of the 1945 UN Charter. Article 3 (c) of the 1948 Genocide Convention condemns “direct and public incitement to commit genocide,” which is punishable under its article 4."
A/HRC/S-1/NGO/4 of 6 July 2006

From your link.

HUMAN RIGHTS COUNCIL
First special session
5 July 2006




Joint written statement* submitted by the Association for World Education and the World Union for Progressive Judaism (WUPJ), non-governmental organizations on the Roster

The Secretary-General has received the following written statement which is circulated in accordance with Economic and Social Council resolution 1996/31.

[4 July 2006]

* The present document contains the statement that was to have been delivered orally by the organization(s) concerned at the first special session. It is issued, unedited and in the original language(s), as received. Its contents are the sole responsibility of the author(s). - See more at: A/HRC/S-1/NGO/4 of 6 July 2006

You are trying to pass this off as a UN document when it is merely a copy of a presentation written by the Association for World Education and the World Union for Progressive Judaism.

That document is derived from "The United Nations Information System on the Question of Palestine (UNISPAL) was established and is being developed by the Division for Palestinian Rights in response to successive General Assembly mandates. The main collection contains the texts of current and historical United Nations material concerning the question of Palestine and other issues related to the Middle East situation and the search for peace. UNISPAL contains largely the English texts of United Nations documents with a growing number of links to the texts in the other official UN languages."

What is your point? If the information is incorrect then discuss it. Otherwise, go back to sleep.

 

[irosie91]

Lucky for the world you are not in any position of authority.

By way of example, Australia, Canada, European Union, Japan, United Kingdom recognize Hamas or parts therein as a terrorist organization. Further, Australia, England, Canada and Japan are member of the International Criminal Court.

United Nations Human Rights Council, July 06/06, A/HRC/S-1/NGO/4: Joint Statement on Hamas Charter stated, (11)" With the Hamas Charter now binding the Palestinian leadership, its call for the destruction of a Member State of the United Nations is in contravention to Article 2 (4) of the 1945 UN Charter. Article 3 (c) of the 1948 Genocide Convention condemns “direct and public incitement to commit genocide,” which is punishable under its article 4."
A/HRC/S-1/NGO/4 of 6 July 2006

We are certainly fortunate Connery, who believes in Pallywood, is not in charge. He would nuke the whole Middle East, except Israel. And interesting how few nations call organizations terrorist organization, the majority do not, they see these groups as made up of human beings with the right to life and with human rights.

Sherri

sherri you are, as usual, nuts in you assessment.

Connery "nuts" is a psychiatric term------synonymous with
"fruity" ----and is used by professonals to denote
PSYCHOSIS. Sherri is not psychotic----in fact her hero
Adolf abu ali had been determined by psychiatrists who
evaluated him (I am not sure how---since all psychiatrists
are jews----right??? like freud?-----charcot was not a jew--
as least not that I know of----maybe he was ---maybe charcot
is french for "cohen") as NOT NUTS --- getting back to sherri--
-she is not psychotic-----she adheres to a RECOGNIZED
CREED----which according to the DSM---(5??? ) is not a criterion
for psychosis no matter how BIZARRE the beliefs------she is not nuts --
--what she is-----is........<diagnosis> 1) SOCIOPATH
2) NAZI *****

 

[P F Tinmore]

Lucky for the world you are not in any position of authority.

By way of example, Australia, Canada, European Union, Japan, United Kingdom recognize Hamas or parts therein as a terrorist organization. Further, Australia, England, Canada and Japan are member of the International Criminal Court.

United Nations Human Rights Council, July 06/06, A/HRC/S-1/NGO/4: Joint Statement on Hamas Charter stated, (11)" With the Hamas Charter now binding the Palestinian leadership, its call for the destruction of a Member State of the United Nations is in contravention to Article 2 (4) of the 1945 UN Charter. Article 3 (c) of the 1948 Genocide Convention condemns “direct and public incitement to commit genocide,” which is punishable under its article 4."
A/HRC/S-1/NGO/4 of 6 July 2006

From your link.

HUMAN RIGHTS COUNCIL
First special session
5 July 2006




Joint written statement* submitted by the Association for World Education and the World Union for Progressive Judaism (WUPJ), non-governmental organizations on the Roster

The Secretary-General has received the following written statement which is circulated in accordance with Economic and Social Council resolution 1996/31.

[4 July 2006]

* The present document contains the statement that was to have been delivered orally by the organization(s) concerned at the first special session. It is issued, unedited and in the original language(s), as received. Its contents are the sole responsibility of the author(s). - See more at: A/HRC/S-1/NGO/4 of 6 July 2006

You are trying to pass this off as a UN document when it is merely a copy of a presentation written by the Association for World Education and the World Union for Progressive Judaism.

That document is derived from "The United Nations Information System on the Question of Palestine (UNISPAL) was established and is being developed by the Division for Palestinian Rights in response to successive General Assembly mandates. The main collection contains the texts of current and historical United Nations material concerning the question of Palestine and other issues related to the Middle East situation and the search for peace. UNISPAL contains largely the English texts of United Nations documents with a growing number of links to the texts in the other official UN languages."

What is your point? If the information is incorrect then discuss it. Otherwise, go back to sleep.

11. With the Hamas Charter now binding the Palestinian leadership, - See more at: A/HRC/S-1/NGO/4 of 6 July 2006

That is the focus of this opinion piece but it is not true. Palestine is governed by its constitution. The Hamas charter has never been incorporated into Palestinian policy.

 

[iolo]

Let's ask and keep asking: when and how did the UN get the authority to give away people's countries to colonists? Can it take YOUR Country and give it to people who claim (on no evidence whatever) that their distant ansestors once lived in it? Can any Christian claim Jerusalem, Constantinople, Rome or Geneva because his opinions were once centred there? What makes Right-wing Americans such total mugs?

 

[irosie91]

Let's ask and keep asking: when and how did the UN get the authority to give away people's countries to colonists? Can it take YOUR Country and give it to people who claim (on no evidence whatever) that their distant ansestors once lived in it? Can any Christian claim Jerusalem, Constantinople, Rome or Geneva because his opinions were once centred there? What makes Right-wing Americans such total mugs?

IOLO if you are addressing the issue of Israel/palestine-----it is clear you know
virtually nothing about its history. It is ok most people don't. Sometimes it
is a matter of background or simple lack of interest. I could not discuss the
history of japan beyond the fact that I read SHOGUN (clearly not an education
in the history of japan) Feel free to discuss---but my sense is that based on your
level of information-----CONCLUSIONS are premature

 

[P F Tinmore]

Let's ask and keep asking: when and how did the UN get the authority to give away people's countries to colonists? Can it take YOUR Country and give it to people who claim (on no evidence whatever) that their distant ansestors once lived in it? Can any Christian claim Jerusalem, Constantinople, Rome or Geneva because his opinions were once centred there? What makes Right-wing Americans such total mugs?

IOLO if you are addressing the issue of Israel/palestine-----it is clear you know
virtually nothing about its history. It is ok most people don't. Sometimes it
is a matter of background or simple lack of interest. I could not discuss the
history of japan beyond the fact that I read SHOGUN (clearly not an education
in the history of japan) Feel free to discuss---but my sense is that based on your
level of information-----CONCLUSIONS are premature

I find her assertions to be basically correct.

 

[Coyote]

They opened a war in 1948, a war which they're still paying the price to.

Maybe the greater lesson is "Don't try to destroy the Jews"?

This is getting boring, the european zionists invaded palestine using refugees as cover and terrorisum as their main weapon. This is not the great coming home of the jews that many zionist belive it is, its a european/western colonialization of palestine, simple.
stop your internel dialog, you are wrong, and probably an extreamly grotesque and ugly freak.

In all my years of posting, I've seen the pro Israeli posters on these boards as a reflection of the Israeli public as a people who have demonized the Palestinians as the trash of Islam...For a people who are forever vigilant of anti-Semitism, they practice their demonizing agenda as part of their war tactics...Hate is part of the agenda.

It really is disgraceful.

I disagree with that assessment. The Israeli public is really quite diverse and there are substantial numbers heavily involved in justice and human rights who do not agree with the that view and are pushing for civil rights, equality and justice for Palestinians and Arab-Israeli's. Their voices just don't happen to be as politically loud the fundamentalist Zionists. They are as much a reflection of the Israeli public as racists are of the American public.

 

[irosie91]

Let's ask and keep asking: when and how did the UN get the authority to give away people's countries to colonists? Can it take YOUR Country and give it to people who claim (on no evidence whatever) that their distant ansestors once lived in it? Can any Christian claim Jerusalem, Constantinople, Rome or Geneva because his opinions were once centred there? What makes Right-wing Americans such total mugs?

IOLO if you are addressing the issue of Israel/palestine-----it is clear you know
virtually nothing about its history. It is ok most people don't. Sometimes it
is a matter of background or simple lack of interest. I could not discuss the
history of japan beyond the fact that I read SHOGUN (clearly not an education
in the history of japan) Feel free to discuss---but my sense is that based on your
level of information-----CONCLUSIONS are premature

I find her assertions to be basically correct.

she made no "ASSERTIONS" She did imply that the jews who migrated
to Palestine in the 150 years preceding 1948 were "COLONISTS"

A COLONIST ---is a person who settles in a land which under the
POLITICAL CONTROL of another land ---like the american colonists
under control of england in pre revolutionary america

the jews who migrated to palestine in the 1800s and early 1900s
did so under the control of the OTTOMAN EMPIRE Does IOLO
consider the arabs living in palestine at that time "COLONISTS"?
Many of them were simply arabs from here or there----
some from various and changing places --being
nomadic. IOLO is, very simply----parroting some
propaganda which describes jews as EUROPEAN
COLONISTS nazi propagandaists always
leave out the fact that 50% of jews in Israel have
background in MUSLIM DOMINATED LANDS --ie virtually
all of which are middle eastern. Perpetuating
the COLONISALISM lie is vital to the islamo nazi
filth to which tinnie adheres. It is based on an exploitation
of the very NEGATIVE REPUTATION THAT THE TERM
"EUROPEAN COLONIALISM" has------really pathetic of
you, TINNIE------but I understand that you do it because
YOU KNOW IT WORKS-----just like your hero ADOLF ABU ALI---
knew that he could unite Germany using anti-jew
libels------and sherri knows that the DEICIDE MYTH still
works with some depraved people