Pakistani Christians Protest for Right to Visit Israel

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Let's hope that these people get permission to visit Israel. A Christian's lot in Pakistan is certainly not easy.

Pakistani Christians Protest for Right to Visit Israel
Posted by: Ahuva Balofsky May 20, 2014 , 11:32 am


The Pakistani Christians held a peaceful protest demonstration in front of Karachi Press Club in demand to allow Pakistani Christians for pilgrimage visit by recognizing the Jewish state of Israel and celebrated its 66th “Israel Day.” (Photo: God’s People Fellowship of Pakistan/ Facebook)

A group calling themselves GodÂ’s Peoples Fellowship of Pakistan (GPFP) protested last week outside the Karachi Press Club in Pakistan on the anniversary of IsraelÂ’s independence. Their goal: to obtain the right to visit Christian Holy Sites in Israel on a Pakistani passport.

Israel has no formal diplomatic relations with the Muslim country. In fact, Pakistani passports expressly state they are valid for travel to all countries except Israel. The GPFP, whose stated aim is “to express Christian love for the house of Israel,” wants that to change.

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That is a strange request. Most Christian holy sites are in Palestine.
 
That's a crock, Tinmore. There ain't no Palestine.

Maybe Mr. Tinmore will volunteer to take them to Judea and Samaria and arrange that they are not attacked when visiting these places.

I don't have that much influence with Israel.


I meant your pull with your fellow Arabs not to attack these visiting Christians from Pakistan. I would not expect you to have any influence with Israel. They don't know that you even exist except if the Intelligence Agencies monitoring these forums happen to tell them about you.
 
I don't have that much influence with Israel.

It is keeping the christians from being attacked by palestinian muslims in the WB that is the issue.

Virtually all the attacks on visitors to the West Bank or Gaza is done by Israel.

Really??? Now could you prove that to us? Surely if all the attacks on Christians in the West Bank are committed by the Israelis, you must be able to pull up stories from legitimate newspapers telling us that.
 
I'm actually shocked to know that any Christians in Pakistan have somehow managed to stay alive and protest anything.

Well, if they know what is right, they had better keep silent or they will be thrown in the Pakistani jails to rot like that unfortunate Christian woman, Asia Bibi, for allegedly committing blasphemy. Actually, it would be great if the leaders in Pakistan could see their way in having more tolerance toward Christians (as well as Hindus) and allow this group of Christians to visit Israel. What would be the harm if they did go to Israel?
 
"Attacks by extremist Israeli settlers against Palestinian residents, property, and places of worship in the West Bank continued and were largely unprosecuted according to UN and NGO sources. The UN Office of the Coordinator for Humanitarian Affairs reported 399 attacks by extremist Israeli settlers that resulted in Palestinian injuries or property damage. Violent extremists, including Israeli settlers, vandalized five mosques and three churches in Jerusalem and the West Bank, according to data compiled by the UN."

Country Reports on Terrorism 2013 Middle East and North Africa Overview
 
"Attacks by extremist Israeli settlers against Palestinian residents, property, and places of worship in the West Bank continued and were largely unprosecuted according to UN and NGO sources. The UN Office of the Coordinator for Humanitarian Affairs reported 399 attacks by extremist Israeli settlers that resulted in Palestinian injuries or property damage. Violent extremists, including Israeli settlers, vandalized five mosques and three churches in Jerusalem and the West Bank, according to data compiled by the UN."

Country Reports on Terrorism 2013 Middle East and North Africa Overview

So, Haniya, what has this to do with Christian visitors? Why don't you tell us what happens to the Jews when they try to visit Rachel's Tomb? Meanwhile, according to whatever sect Haniya has converted to, the other sect wouldn't hesitate to attack her. Naturally she would never think of that. So tell us, Haniya, getting back to the subject of Pakistani Christians, do you think that Pakistan should relax their standards and let these Christians visit Israel. I think we all realize how tough it is for Christians (Assyrians, Copts, Chaldeans, etc.) in the Muslim world even though good Muslim converts overlook this, but let's concentrate on these Pakistani Christians. I think they should be allowed to visit without any problems from the Pakistani government. What is your opinion of this, Haniya? Do you think Pakistan should allow them to go.
 
"Attacks by extremist Israeli settlers against Palestinian residents, property, and places of worship in the West Bank continued and were largely unprosecuted according to UN and NGO sources. The UN Office of the Coordinator for Humanitarian Affairs reported 399 attacks by extremist Israeli settlers that resulted in Palestinian injuries or property damage. Violent extremists, including Israeli settlers, vandalized five mosques and three churches in Jerusalem and the West Bank, according to data compiled by the UN."

Country Reports on Terrorism 2013 Middle East and North Africa Overview

So, Haniya, what has this to do with Christian visitors? Why don't you tell us what happens to the Jews when they try to visit Rachel's Tomb? Meanwhile, according to whatever sect Haniya has converted to, the other sect wouldn't hesitate to attack her. Naturally she would never think of that. So tell us, Haniya, getting back to the subject of Pakistani Christians, do you think that Pakistan should relax their standards and let these Christians visit Israel. I think we all realize how tough it is for Christians (Assyrians, Copts, Chaldeans, etc.) in the Muslim world even though good Muslim converts overlook this, but let's concentrate on these Pakistani Christians. I think they should be allowed to visit without any problems from the Pakistani government. What is your opinion of this, Haniya? Do you think Pakistan should allow them to go.

It is just as tough for Christians and Muslims in the Jewish ruled world.

It's up to Israel to issue an entry visa.
 
That is a strange request. Most Christian holy sites are in Palestine.



And they promptly closed them to all but muslims until Israel took control. Now the Palestinians use the fact of the holy sites to engage in terrorism so have once again closed them to bona fide pilgrims.
 
15th post
"Attacks by extremist Israeli settlers against Palestinian residents, property, and places of worship in the West Bank continued and were largely unprosecuted according to UN and NGO sources. The UN Office of the Coordinator for Humanitarian Affairs reported 399 attacks by extremist Israeli settlers that resulted in Palestinian injuries or property damage. Violent extremists, including Israeli settlers, vandalized five mosques and three churches in Jerusalem and the West Bank, according to data compiled by the UN."

Country Reports on Terrorism 2013 Middle East and North Africa Overview



How about telling the board how many attacks were carried out by Palestinians in Palestine ?
Or would that destroy your ANTI SEMITIC ATTACK as it shows the Palestinians are worse than the Jews.

From your link

In Gaza, sporadic rocket attacks launched by Hamas and other Gaza-based terrorist groups continued, as well as ongoing and related smuggling activity by these groups along the Gaza-Sinai border region. Israeli officials expressed concerns about the smuggling of long-range rockets from the Sinai Peninsula through tunnels into Gaza, but also recognized the positive impact of increased Egyptian government efforts to fight smuggling through such tunnels in preventing weapons and dual-use materials from reaching Gaza.


ISRAEL, THE WEST BANK AND GAZA, AND JERUSALEM

Overview: Israel continued to be a committed counterterrorism partner in 2013. Israel again faced terrorist threats from Hamas, the Popular Resistance Committees, and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ), particularly from Gaza but also from the West Bank; and from Hizballah in Lebanon. According to Israeli government sources, six Israelis were killed as a result of terrorist attacks in 2013. Three individuals were stabbed, two were killed by sniper fire, and one was abducted and murdered.

Gaza-based Palestinian terrorist organizations continued rocket and mortar attacks into Israeli territory, and multiple terrorist attacks were launched along the Gaza security fence. Gaza also remained a base of operations for several Salafist splinter groups. 2013 saw the lowest number of rocket and mortar launchings on Israel from Gaza and the Sinai in more than a decade with 74 launchings compared to 2,557 in 2012. According to Israeli authorities, 36 rocket hits were identified in Israeli territory in 2013 compared to 1,632 in 2012. Of the 74 launchings on southern Israel, 69 were launched from Gaza and five from the Sinai Peninsula. Only 36 of the total launchings were identified as landing in Israeli territory – others either landed in Gaza territory or in the Mediterranean Sea.

The Government of Israel responded to these threats with operations directed at terrorist leaders, infrastructure, training facilities, and rocket launching sites. Arms smuggling from Iran through Egypt into Gaza to Palestinian terrorist organizations significantly decreased. Israeli officials continued to be concerned about the smuggling of weapons from Libya and via Sudan into Gaza.

Israeli experts noted that militants successfully smuggled long-range rockets from the Sinai Peninsula through tunnels into Gaza and subsequently began producing rockets in Gaza. However, these experts recognized the positive impact of increased Egyptian government efforts to fight smuggling through such tunnels in preventing weapons and dual-use materials from reaching Gaza.

Israeli counterterrorism officials said Gaza militants made significant quantitative and qualitative advances in capabilities in the five years since Operation Cast Lead (December 2008-January 2009). The Government of Israel continued to hold Hamas, as the dominant organization in effective control of Gaza, responsible for attacks emanating from Gaza, and Israeli officials pointed to these attacks as proof that Hamas has not abandoned terrorism.

Over the course of the year, the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) discovered several tunnels from Gaza into Israeli territory. These tunnels are believed to have been designed to undertake kidnappings or attacks on Israeli border communities. The most intricate of these tunnels, a reinforced concrete structure over one mile long and up to 59 feet deep, was discovered in October and destroyed by the IDF a few weeks later.

Israeli security officials and politicians remained concerned about the terrorist threat posed to Israel from Hizballah and its Iranian patron, highlighting that Iran, primarily through the efforts of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Quds Force (IRGC-QF), continued to transfer arms to Hizballah. Also, Israeli officials were concerned about the proliferation of conventional and non-conventional weapons from Syria to terrorist organizations. According to the Government of Israel, Hizballah has stockpiled some 60-70,000 missiles in Lebanon since the 2006 Lebanon War, some of which are capable of striking anywhere in Israel, including population centers.

The Israel Security Agency (ISA, or “ShinBet”) reported a total of 1,271 of what it defined as terrorist attacks originating in the West Bank against Israeli citizens in 2013. Of these, 858 involved firebombs, but the attacks also included shootings, stabbings, grenade and IED incidents, and rock throwing. The ISA identified an additional 126 attacks in Jerusalem, 122 of which involved firebombs. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and ISA continued to conduct operations in the West Bank, in part to maintain pressure on Palestinian terrorist organizations and their supporters. The improved capacity of Palestinian Authority Security Forces (PASF) also constrained those terrorist organizations' ability to carry out attacks.

In November, Israel and the United States held an interagency counterterrorism dialogue to discuss the broad range of threats in the region and to determine areas of collaboration to address these challenges.

In 2013, Israel engaged with the United States, Canada, the UK, Germany, and France on preventing possible terrorist attacks by foreign fighters (especially those fighting in Syria) once they return home.

2013 Terrorist Incidents: Israel faced a variety of terrorist attacks and threats in 2013, including: rocket and mortar fire from Gaza; a bus bombing; attacks along the Gaza security fence; and limited rocket fire from EgyptÂ’s Sinai Peninsula towards the southernmost city of Eilat, and from southern Lebanon into northern Israel. Rocket and mortar fire emanating from Gaza continued to be the most prevalent form of attack by Palestinian terrorist organizations, albeit at a significantly reduced rate from previous years.

Attacks included the following:

On July 14, two masked gunmen in the Sinai fired across the border at IDF soldiers just west of the town of Nitzana. They then retreated from the border area and continued exchanging fire with Egyptian forces.
In November, there were two politically-motivated stabbing attacks within the Green Line area, which the ISA characterized as terrorism. One Israeli soldier was stabbed to death in Afula (November 13), and a female soldier was slightly injured in Jaffa (November 22).
On December 22, an abandoned bag left on the rear seat of a bus in a south Tel Aviv suburb Bat Yam exploded after a passenger alerted the driver, who parked the bus on the side of the street and evacuated the passengers from the vehicle, according to the Israeli military radio station. One policeman was slightly injured when the medium-sized explosive went off. Initial Israeli investigations indicated that it was an act of terrorism.
During 2013, five rockets were launched from Sinai toward Israel according to data released by the ISA. Remnants of three of the rockets fired were located in areas surrounding Eilat and one rocket was intercepted by the Iron Dome missile defense system. The remaining rocket was not located in Israeli territory and may have landed in neighboring Aqaba, Jordan.

Incidents along the Gaza Security Fence:

In March, the IDF uncovered and defused three explosive devices adjacent to the Gaza security fence.
On May 1, IDF soldiers came under fire near the security fence in the central Gaza; two armored vehicles were damaged.
On June 1, an Israeli soldier was killed when a terrorist attempting to enter Israel from southern Gaza opened fire on IDF soldiers.
On October 23, an IDF officer was injured in an IED attack on the Gaza border. Israeli forces subsequently uncovered additional explosive devices near the security fence.
On October 31, five IDF soldiers were injured by an explosive device, which exploded in an attack tunnel leading from central Gaza into Israel while the soldiers were demolishing the tunnel.
On October 31, five IDF soldiers were injured while demolishing a tunnel leading from central Gaza into Israel. The tunnel contained an explosive device which exploded, injuring the soldiers.
On November 9, explosives in a tunnel on the Gaza border detonated during an operational activity by the IDF.
On November 10, an anti-tank missile was fired at an IDF patrol along the security fence in the northern Gaza, injuring four Israeli soldiers.
Explosive devices were also located near the Gaza border on two separate occasions in January, once in February, and once in September.
 
"Attacks by extremist Israeli settlers against Palestinian residents, property, and places of worship in the West Bank continued and were largely unprosecuted according to UN and NGO sources. The UN Office of the Coordinator for Humanitarian Affairs reported 399 attacks by extremist Israeli settlers that resulted in Palestinian injuries or property damage. Violent extremists, including Israeli settlers, vandalized five mosques and three churches in Jerusalem and the West Bank, according to data compiled by the UN."

Country Reports on Terrorism 2013 Middle East and North Africa Overview

So, Haniya, what has this to do with Christian visitors? Why don't you tell us what happens to the Jews when they try to visit Rachel's Tomb? Meanwhile, according to whatever sect Haniya has converted to, the other sect wouldn't hesitate to attack her. Naturally she would never think of that. So tell us, Haniya, getting back to the subject of Pakistani Christians, do you think that Pakistan should relax their standards and let these Christians visit Israel. I think we all realize how tough it is for Christians (Assyrians, Copts, Chaldeans, etc.) in the Muslim world even though good Muslim converts overlook this, but let's concentrate on these Pakistani Christians. I think they should be allowed to visit without any problems from the Pakistani government. What is your opinion of this, Haniya? Do you think Pakistan should allow them to go.

It is just as tough for Christians and Muslims in the Jewish ruled world.

It's up to Israel to issue an entry visa.




Just as it is up to the Palestinians to comply with INTERNATIONAL LAW and stop all terrorism, violence and belligerence.
 
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