Origins of Palestinians and Jews in Palestine/Israel

[montelatici]

Israel controls a population of people that are not of the Jewish faith that is larger than the population which is of the Jewish faith. You don't see anything strange for a country to place a particular religion above all others and name the state after that religion when there are more people under that state's control that are not of that religion?

Well then, that population may and can join the other population nearby and enjoy its population's population popular control there, of course.

Why should the native Palestinians leave their ancestral home to European the offspring of the European newcomers?

 

[Selurong]

Actually, the Palestinians are the purer Jews who just lived in the Holy Land since the beginning and just changed religion to Islam under the Arabs. However the obviously white admixed converts to Judaism we now see in the current Israel, think themselves more indigenous than the actual Natives, the Palestinians.

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[montelatici]

Actually, the Palestinians are the purer Jews who just lived in the Holy Land since the beginning and just changed religion to Islam under the Arabs. However the obviously white admixed converts to Judaism we now see in the current Israel, think themselves more indigenous than the actual Natives, the Palestinians.

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Everyone knows that fact. The pro-Zionists have been brainwashed, have cognitive dissonance or are dishonest. All experts, from historians to archeologists to geneticists know this basic fact. Actually the changes of religion of the people of the region either by law or for convenience was from the existing religions in Palestine when the Romans arrived (Judaism, but also Greek religions, Samaritans and others) to Roman religion, to Christianity to Islam.

 

[Hollie]

Actually, the Palestinians are the purer Jews who just lived in the Holy Land since the beginning and just changed religion to Islam under the Arabs. However the obviously white admixed converts to Judaism we now see in the current Israel, think themselves more indigenous than the actual Natives, the Palestinians.

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Everyone knows that fact. The pro-Zionists have been brainwashed, have cognitive dissonance or are dishonest. All experts, from historians to archeologists to geneticists know this basic fact. Actually the changes of religion of the people of the region either by law or for convenience was from the existing religions in Palestine when the Romans arrived (Judaism, but also Greek religions, Samaritans and others) to Roman religion, to Christianity to Islam.

Actually, not everyone knows that as a fact, primarily because it's not a fact. The Pal'istanians as you falsely label them, were Syrians, Egyptians, Lebanese Arabs who squatted the geographic region you falsely label as "Palestine".

Everyone knows that fact. Some, such as an identifiable group in these threads are divorced from facts.

 

[pbel]

Actually, the Palestinians are the purer Jews who just lived in the Holy Land since the beginning and just changed religion to Islam under the Arabs. However the obviously white admixed converts to Judaism we now see in the current Israel, think themselves more indigenous than the actual Natives, the Palestinians.

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Everyone knows that fact. The pro-Zionists have been brainwashed, have cognitive dissonance or are dishonest. All experts, from historians to archeologists to geneticists know this basic fact. Actually the changes of religion of the people of the region either by law or for convenience was from the existing religions in Palestine when the Romans arrived (Judaism, but also Greek religions, Samaritans and others) to Roman religion, to Christianity to Islam.

Actually, not everyone knows that as a fact, primarily because it's not a fact. The Pal'istanians as you falsely label them, were Syrians, Egyptians, Lebanese Arabs who squatted the geographic region you falsely label as "Palestine".

Everyone knows that fact. Some, such as an identifiable group in these threads are divorced from facts.

Please provide a unbiased link proving your far-fetched demographic statements.

 

[Selurong]

Actually, the Palestinians are the purer Jews who just lived in the Holy Land since the beginning and just changed religion to Islam under the Arabs. However the obviously white admixed converts to Judaism we now see in the current Israel, think themselves more indigenous than the actual Natives, the Palestinians.

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Everyone knows that fact. The pro-Zionists have been brainwashed, have cognitive dissonance or are dishonest. All experts, from historians to archeologists to geneticists know this basic fact. Actually the changes of religion of the people of the region either by law or for convenience was from the existing religions in Palestine when the Romans arrived (Judaism, but also Greek religions, Samaritans and others) to Roman religion, to Christianity to Islam.

Actually, not everyone knows that as a fact, primarily because it's not a fact. The Pal'istanians as you falsely label them, were Syrians, Egyptians, Lebanese Arabs who squatted the geographic region you falsely label as "Palestine".

Everyone knows that fact. Some, such as an identifiable group in these threads are divorced from facts.

Look at history, who are the Jews? Why were they living in Europe during the Holocaust? Simple, because most Jews were European converts or European half breeds.

The Palestinians were Jews who bred with Muslims and converted to Islam. However, they are a purer breed since they bred with fellow Semites (Arabs are Semites too) vis a vis the less pure Jewish converts or Half whites who came from Europe to expell the indigenous Palestinians out of their homeland.

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[Hollie]

Actually, the Palestinians are the purer Jews who just lived in the Holy Land since the beginning and just changed religion to Islam under the Arabs. However the obviously white admixed converts to Judaism we now see in the current Israel, think themselves more indigenous than the actual Natives, the Palestinians.

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Everyone knows that fact. The pro-Zionists have been brainwashed, have cognitive dissonance or are dishonest. All experts, from historians to archeologists to geneticists know this basic fact. Actually the changes of religion of the people of the region either by law or for convenience was from the existing religions in Palestine when the Romans arrived (Judaism, but also Greek religions, Samaritans and others) to Roman religion, to Christianity to Islam.

Actually, not everyone knows that as a fact, primarily because it's not a fact. The Pal'istanians as you falsely label them, were Syrians, Egyptians, Lebanese Arabs who squatted the geographic region you falsely label as "Palestine".

Everyone knows that fact. Some, such as an identifiable group in these threads are divorced from facts.

Please provide a unbiased link proving your far-fetched demographic statements.

Not that it hasn't been posted a dozen times previously, but do your own search with the term "Transjordan"

 

[Coyote]

A new thread has been created for these posts because the discussion is good. In the future - rather than derail a thread, start a new topic

 

[Phoenall]

Israel controls a population of people that are not of the Jewish faith that is larger than the population which is of the Jewish faith. You don't see anything strange for a country to place a particular religion above all others and name the state after that religion when there are more people under that state's control that are not of that religion?

Well then, that population may and can join the other population nearby and enjoy its population's population popular control there, of course.

Why should the native Palestinians leave their ancestral home to European the offspring of the European newcomers?

Because they haven't seeing as they come from Syria and Egypt. And the Europeans are descended from the Jews of Palestine that were there 700 years before the arab muslims were even invented

 

[Billo_Really]

From 3000BC up to today, the total amount of Jewish rule in that area only adds up to 414 years.

“The extended kingdoms of David and Solomon, on which the Zionists base their territorial demands, endured for only about 73 years...Then it fell apart...[Even] if we allow independence to the entire life of the ancient Jewish kingdoms, from David’s conquest of Canaan in 1000 B.C. to the wiping out of Judah in 586 B.C., we arrive at [only] a 414 year Jewish rule.” Illene Beatty, “Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan.”
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Palestine always had an Arab majority.

...Despite the steady arrival in Palestine of Jewish colonists after 1882, it is important to realize that not until the few weeks immediately preceding the establishment of Israel in the spring of 1948 was there ever anything other than a huge Arab majority. For example, the Jewish population in 1931 was 174,606 against a total of 1,033,314.” Edward Said, “The Question of Palestine.”​

Yeah, it was their ancestral home alright, for just 10% of the entire time people lived on that land.

 

[Phoenall]

Like everyone knows that the European Jews have a close genetic match to the Jews who never left the land than they have to any Europeans. Or like the fact that most of the palestinians come from Egypt and Syria, and not from the land known as Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Like everyone knows that the European Jews have a close genetic match to the Jews who never left the land than they have to any Europeans. Or like the fact that most of the palestinians come from Egypt and Syria, and not from the land known as Palestine.

There was nobody living in Palestine until when?

 

[Rehmani]

Israel controls a population of people that are not of the Jewish faith that is larger than the population which is of the Jewish faith. You don't see anything strange for a country to place a particular religion above all others and name the state after that religion when there are more people under that state's control that are not of that religion?

Well then, that population may and can join the other population nearby and enjoy its population's population popular control there, of course.

Why should the native Palestinians leave their ancestral home to European the offspring of the European newcomers?

Montelatici, what you are saying not wrong, but jew are very clever they never come straight, for example zionist to me they are jew and jews are tricky and they always use others ID instead jew's ID. May be they are using European ID to achieve their goal. you can understand better if you already have read my signature comments.

 

[Phoenall]

Like everyone knows that the European Jews have a close genetic match to the Jews who never left the land than they have to any Europeans. Or like the fact that most of the palestinians come from Egypt and Syria, and not from the land known as Palestine.

There was nobody living in Palestine until when?

The Romans named it Palestine of course, and they were the Jews who lived there. No arab muslims were in Palestine until 800 years after the Romans called it Palestine, and then they were kicked out and had no sovereignty over Palestine ever again.

 

[Humanity]

Like everyone knows that the European Jews have a close genetic match to the Jews who never left the land than they have to any Europeans. Or like the fact that most of the palestinians come from Egypt and Syria, and not from the land known as Palestine.

Link!

Only zionuts "know" of this fabled genetic link...

The Jews never left the land? Are you sure? You might find that history proves otherwise....

The fact that most Jews came from Europe gives Palestinians from Egypt and Syria closer ties to the land known as Palestine!

 

[Humanity]

Like everyone knows that the European Jews have a close genetic match to the Jews who never left the land than they have to any Europeans. Or like the fact that most of the palestinians come from Egypt and Syria, and not from the land known as Palestine.

There was nobody living in Palestine until when?

The Romans named it Palestine of course, and they were the Jews who lived there. No arab muslims were in Palestine until 800 years after the Romans called it Palestine, and then they were kicked out and had no sovereignty over Palestine ever again.

Link!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Like everyone knows that the European Jews have a close genetic match to the Jews who never left the land than they have to any Europeans. Or like the fact that most of the palestinians come from Egypt and Syria, and not from the land known as Palestine.

There was nobody living in Palestine until when?

The Romans named it Palestine of course, and they were the Jews who lived there. No arab muslims were in Palestine until 800 years after the Romans called it Palestine, and then they were kicked out and had no sovereignty over Palestine ever again.

That did not answer the question.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

Of the 1.7M people of the population living in the country last year (2014), 75% (1.2+M) are considered "Sabras" - native-born Israeli.

• Of the Palestinian Refugees, in the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt), fighting over the "right-of-return:" HOW ANY WERE BORN IN ISRAEL?

• How many of these claimants --- were actually deported or forcible transferred from a previous residence in Israel? (It certainly cannot be as many as there are native Israelis. Why should they be threatened by alien Arabs?)​

[Why should the native Palestinians leave their ancestral home to European the offspring of the European newcomers?

(COMMENT)

The question you ask is nebulous. We must narrow it down and be more specific.

• The legality of an action taken in 1918 through 1922, is base on what the law was in 1918 through 1922. To discuss what the law is today and attempt to apply it to the conditions of a near century ago is totally impossible.

• Similarly, the legality of an action taken in 1948 or 1967, must be evaluated in terms of the law and the customary action of nations in the 1948 and 1967 era. You cannot apply more recent laws to events or actions taken a half-century ago.
​

And it is even more difficult to evaluate the application of customary laws when, the indigenous population, no matter how long they have lived on the territory, never the had sovereignty over the territory.

(REMEMBER)

No indigenous citizen of the territory, that included Palestine, ever exercised sovereignty authority over that territory (not in the second millennium). It could be argued that while there were several period of Arab Rule in the First Millennium, those rules came from all over the region; but were not indigenous. Even Saladin, First Grand Sultan of Egypt and Syria --- Liberator of Jerusalem, was a Kurd from Tikrit. And again, the Ismaili Islamic Caliphate was a Shi'ite sect associated with the Fatimah following (descent from Fatima bin Muhammad, daughter of Islamic prophet PBUH) were from the Hejaz.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

Of the 1.7M people of the population living in the country last year (2014), 75% (1.2+M) are considered "Sabras" - native-born Israeli.

• Of the Palestinian Refugees, in the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt), fighting over the "right-of-return:" HOW ANY WERE BORN IN ISRAEL?

• How many of these claimants --- were actually deported or forcible transferred from a previous residence in Israel? (It certainly cannot be as many as there are native Israelis. Why should they be threatened by alien Arabs?)​

[Why should the native Palestinians leave their ancestral home to European the offspring of the European newcomers?

(COMMENT)

The question you ask is nebulous. We must narrow it down and be more specific.

• The legality of an action taken in 1918 through 1922, is base on what the law was in 1918 through 1922. To discuss what the law is today and attempt to apply it to the conditions of a near century ago is totally impossible.

• Similarly, the legality of an action taken in 1948 or 1967, must be evaluated in terms of the law and the customary action of nations in the 1948 and 1967 era. You cannot apply more recent laws to events or actions taken a half-century ago.
​

And it is even more difficult to evaluate the application of customary laws when, the indigenous population, no matter how long they have lived on the territory, never the had sovereignty over the territory.

(REMEMBER)

No indigenous citizen of the territory, that included Palestine, ever exercised sovereignty authority over that territory (not in the second millennium). It could be argued that while there were several period of Arab Rule in the First Millennium, those rules came from all over the region; but were not indigenous. Even Saladin, First Grand Sultan of Egypt and Syria --- Liberator of Jerusalem, was a Kurd from Tikrit. And again, the Ismaili Islamic Caliphate was a Shi'ite sect associated with the Fatimah following (descent from Fatima bin Muhammad, daughter of Islamic prophet PBUH) were from the Hejaz.

Most Respectfully,
R

No indigenous citizen of the territory, that included Palestine, ever exercised sovereignty authority over that territory​

It is the people who have sovereignty. Governments or states have sovereignty as an extension of the people. A government derives its legitimacy by the consent of the governed.

External interference that denies the exercise of sovereignty is a crime.

 

[montelatici]

"Of the 1.7M people of the population living in the country last year (2014), 75% (1.2+M) are considered "Sabras" - native-born Israeli."

Not sure where you are getting your numbers from, but there are more than 1.7 Million Jews living in Israel. But no matter, they are descendants of Jewish migrants who went to Palestine and displaced the native people. It really makes no difference where they were born.

100% of the white South Africans that ruled Apartheid South Africa were native born and had arrived in Africa centuries before. It did not change the fact that they were colonists from another continent.

The Palestinians are the native people of Palestine that were displaced by Jews from elsewhere in the furtherance of a European colonial project. That is just a fact. All the ancillary BS is just that, BS. Taken to the core, it was an European colonial project that resulted in the dispossession of the native Christians and Muslims of Palestine. And, as history has shown, European colonies, especially those in which the Europeans were unable to destroy the native culture or eliminate the native population eventually revert to the natives, notwithstanding the overwhelming military power of the colonial regime.

(REMEMBER)

It does not make any difference whether natives exercised sovereignty or not. The Covenant of the League of Nations makes no distinction, it sets forth that:

"ARTICLE 22.
To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant."

and

Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory.

or

"Other peoples, especially those of Central Africa, are at such a stage that the Mandatory must be responsible for the administration of the territory under conditions which will guarantee freedom of conscience and religion, subject only to the maintenance of public order and morals, the prohibition of abuses such as the slave trade, the arms traffic and the liquor traffic, and the prevention of the establishment of fortifications or military and naval bases and of military training of the natives for other than police purposes and the defence of territory, and will also secure equal opportunities for the trade and commerce of other Members of the League.

There are territories, such as South-West Africa and certain of the South Pacific Islands, which, owing to the sparseness of their population, or their small size, or their remoteness from the centres of civilisation, or their geographical contiguity to the territory of the Mandatory, and other circumstances, can be best administered under the laws of the Mandatory as integral portions of its territory, subject to the safeguards above mentioned in the interests of the indigenous population."

No where does it allow for the transfer of a European population to any of the former colonies and territories or for the subjugation of the indigenous populations to a European population in colonial fashion, as was done in Palestine.

In fact, the Covenant reiterates that the the interests of the indigenous population are paramount.

Your dog won't hunt.