Organ Harvest in China

[Vikrant]

It is pretty scary stuff. People are being killed on a massive scale by Chinese regime supported hospitals.

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[HenryBHough]

But that can't happen here.

In Obamerica government would never do such a thing - that's the exclusive province of "non-profits".

 

[Vikrant]

But that can't happen here.

In Obamerica government would never do such a thing - that's the exclusive province of "non-profits".

Wow! It seems like you are lamenting over the fact that we do not have organ harvesting here. That is kind of strange if you ask me.

 

[HenryBHough]

Wow! It seems like you are lamenting over the fact that we do not have organ harvesting here. That is kind of strange if you ask me.

But, as you well know, we DO have organ harvesting here. The two primary differences between Obamerica and China on the matter are:

1. In China there is direct government involvement. In Obamerica, only subsidies.

2. In China there is no age discrimination; in Obamerica there is not so much an upper age limit as a gestational one.

 

[Vikrant]

Wow! It seems like you are lamenting over the fact that we do not have organ harvesting here. That is kind of strange if you ask me.

But, as you well know, we DO have organ harvesting here. The two primary differences between Obamerica and China on the matter are:

1. In China there is direct government involvement. In Obamerica, only subsidies.

2. In China there is no age discrimination; in Obamerica there is not so much an upper age limit as a gestational one.

I cannot believe that you are mixing up organ harvest with organ donation.

In China between 60K - 100K people are killed every year for their organs. The main victims are Falun Gong members, Tibetan Buddhists and Chinese Christians.

 

[HenryBHough]

Chanting "Ooooommmmmmmm" like that apparently does make it more difficult to hear the silent cries of the unborn as the cold hard steel punctures their skulls.

Very effective! You might want to consider offering classes for, of course, a fee that would be donated to the infanticide cause. It IS an IRS recognized charity - so the costs are tax deductible.

 

[Vikrant]

Chanting "Ooooommmmmmmm" like that apparently does make it more difficult to hear the silent cries of the unborn as the cold hard steel punctures their skulls.

Very effective! You might want to consider offering classes for, of course, a fee that would be donated to the infanticide cause. It IS an IRS recognized charity - so the costs are tax deductible.

There are Chinese regime doctors who are killing political prisoners for the sole purpose of harvesting organs and then making those organs available to Chinese elites. This is a crime against humanity on a massive scale. You are comparing this with abortion and organ donation. That is a bizarre logic.

 

[HenryBHough]

There are Chinese regime doctors who are killing political prisoners for the sole purpose of harvesting organs and then making those organs available to Chinese elites. This is a crime against humanity on a massive scale. You are comparing this with abortion and organ donation. That is a bizarre logic.

Thank you for reminding us that those parted-out unborn are never afforded any sort of trial.

 

[waltky]

China gonna stop harvesting prison inmates' organs...

Doctors Hail China's Pledge to Stop Harvesting Inmate Organs
October 17, 2016 — Surgeons from around the world gathered at a conference in Beijing on Monday in China's latest effort to fight persistent skepticism about whether its hospitals have stopped performing transplants with the organs of executed prisoners.

Doctors from the World Health Organization and the Montreal-based Transplantation Society who were invited to the conference by China praised Chinese officials for reforms they have made in the transplant system, including a ban put in place last year on using organs from executed inmates. Doubts persist that China is accurately reporting figures or meeting its pledge given its severe shortage of organ donors and China's long-standing black-market organ trade. By its own figures, China has one of the lowest rates of organ donation in the world, and even the system's advocates say it needs hundreds of additional hospitals and doctors. While China suppresses most discussions about human rights, government officials and state media have publicly talked about their commitment to ending a practice opposed by doctors and human rights groups due to fears that it promotes executions and coercion.

In a sign of the issue's symbolic importance to China, the conference took place in an ornate, chandeliered ballroom inside the Great Hall of the People, the building next to Tiananmen Square that typically hosts foreign leaders and ceremonial Communist Party events. Doctors at the conference Monday described meeting patients and visiting hospitals around the country, and said the recorded usage of drugs given to transplant patients lined up with China's reported numbers of transplants. Dr. Jose Nunez, an adviser on organ transplants to the World Health Organization, told the audience that he believed China was building the “next great” system. “You are taking this country to a leading position within the transplantation world,” he said.

Participants are seen at the China International Organ Donation Conference, held at the ornate ballroom in the Great Hall of the People in Beijing​

Others offered praise for Chinese officials, but stopped short of saying whether they could confirm China had stopped using executed inmates' organs. “It's not a matter for us to prove to you that it's zero,” said Dr. Francis Delmonico, a longtime surgeon and a professor at Harvard Medical School. “It's a matter for the government to fulfill what is the law, just as it is in the other countries of the world that we go to.” China is believed to perform more executions than any other country, though the government does not disclose how many. The former vice minister of health, Dr. Huang Jiefu, publicly acknowledged in 2005 that China harvested executed inmates' organs for transplant, and a paper he co-authored six years later reported that as many as 90 percent of Chinese transplant surgeries using organs from dead people came from those put to death. Huang has also responded to a report earlier this year that a Canadian patient apparently received a kidney from an executed inmate by announcing that the doctor and the hospital in question were suspended from performing more transplants.

A key impediment is that members of a donor's immediate family have the right to veto any transplant once the person is dead. There is also a traditional aversion to the removal of body parts from the dead and a fear that donated organs could be exploited for monetary gain. Dr. Philip O'Connell, the immediate past president of the Transplantation Society, told reporters later that he would work with doctors supporting reform in any country. “The options are that you completely isolate someone, which means that generally their practices get compounded, or you engage with them and you tell them your point of view and explain why it would be better for them to change,” O'Connell said. “That is, I think in the simple terms, what we're doing.”

Doctors Hail China's Pledge to Stop Harvesting Inmate Organs

 

[waltky]

Will they also stop taking prgans from Falun Gong members?...

UN: China moves to stop taking organs from prisoners
Feb 9,`17 -- The World Health Organization says China has taken steps to end its once-widespread practice of harvesting organs from executed prisoners but that it's impossible to know what is happening across the entire country.

At a Vatican conference on organ trafficking this week, a former top Chinese official said the country had stopped its unethical program, but critics remain unconvinced. In an interview Thursday, WHO's Jose Ramon Nunez Pena said he personally visited about 20 hospitals in China last year and believes the country has reformed. But he acknowledged that it was still possible "there may still be hidden things going on." China has more than 1 million medical centers, although only 169 are authorized to do transplants.

Nunez Pena said he had seen data including organ transplant registries and was convinced the country was now shifting away from illegally harvesting organs. "What is clear to me is that they're changing," he said. "But in a country as huge as China, we can't know everything." Earlier this week, critics questioned China's claims of reform and suggested that WHO should be allowed to conduct surprise investigations and interview donor relatives. The U.N. health agency has no authority to enter countries without their permission.

China's Dr. Haibo Wang responded that China shouldn't be singled out for such treatment while other countries were not. The head of the Chinese delegation, Dr. Huang Jiefu, told the conference there had been an increase in both living and deceased voluntary organ donors following China's crackdown on the illicit organ trade. "It sounds a little hard to believe that China could have so quickly made this change to its organ donation program," said Vivek Jha, executive director of the George Institute for Global Health in India.

He said China should provide the international transplant community with data to prove that its organs are no longer being illegally procured. "It could be the case that China has changed," he said. "The problem is we just have not seen the information to prove it." Nunez Pena said tracking illegal organ activities was inherently difficult and that countries with past problems like India and Costa Rica appeared to have improved practices, but that officials couldn't be absolutely certain that was the case. He said WHO officials were now focusing on other countries like Egypt and Sri Lanka as worrisome centers of organ harvesting.

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[Skull]

A recent comprehensive report on Red China's organ harvesting. The pdf can be downloaded:

China Organ Procurement Report — Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation