Oral Arguments in "Opt-out" Case

[Seymour Flops]

This is Sotomayor questioning an advocate of parents' right have their child "opt-out" of a lesson covering a book about a same-sex wedding:



This is Alito questioning I believe the same advocate about the same book:



Like to see some mature opinions about this. I have mixed feelings. I get that public school cannot be tailored to each and every child and their parents. Fifty years ago, it would not have been such an issue. But now, given some of the things that are being taught, I have to be suspecious of school boards being so adament that the parents have no say.

What say you?

 

[rightwinger]

Guess what?
People of the same sex get married

Schools should not pretend they don’t.

 

[pknopp]

I really don't see it as an issue to "teach". It just is. School kids will get used to it as they attend Uncle Bob's wedding to Bill.

When Jack and Steve move in next door. When Brenda brings her wife Janet to the school play.

 

[wamose]

Psychosexual deviants have this need to insist, violently if necessary, that everyone else should abandon their religion and morality and agree with their twisted opinions. Anything less than total agreement with these freaks just won't do. LGBTQ people are closed minded bigots.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Guess what?
People of the same sex get married

That is the law of the land.

Schools should not pretend they don’t.

Not what the case is about. It's about parents being allowed to opt out of certain lessons for their children.

 

[pknopp]

Psychosexual deviants have this need to insist, violently if necessary, that everyone else should abandon their religion and morality and agree with their twisted opinions.

I'm not sure how Steve and Mike getting married causes me to abandon my religion.

Anything less than total agreement with these freaks just won't do. LGBTQ people are closed minded bigots.

Just to note "closed minded bigot" is redundant.

 

[martybegan]

Guess what?
People of the same sex get married

Schools should not pretend they don’t.

Guess what? Some people believe that is sinful.

Schools shouldn't get involved in making moral judgements on these things.

 

[westwall]

Guess what?
People of the same sex get married

Schools should not pretend they don’t.

No one has a problem with that. We have a problem with pedophile teachers sexualizing children under the age of 14.

 

[rightwinger]

Not what the case is about. It's about parents being allowed to opt out of certain lessons for their children.

I don’t want my child taught about evolution
I don’t want my child taught about slavery
That teacher is gay, I don’t want him around my child

Schools should not have to pander to a parents backward view of the world

 

[Seymour Flops]

I really don't see it as an issue to "teach". It just is. School kids will get used to it as they attend Uncle Bob's wedding to Bill.

I agree that it shouldnt be an issue to teach, but this school district believes it is not only an issue to teach, but to require with no opt-out allowed.

When Jack and Steve move in next door. When Brenda brings her wife Janet to the school play.

A strong argument for not forcing it into the curriculum.

 

[pknopp]

Guess what? Some people believe that is sinful.

Schools shouldn't get involved in making moral judgements on these things.

The church once thought being left handed was evil.

Sadly it's still debated today.

Is Being Left-Handed a Sin? – Adventist Today

Now would it be wrong for a teacher to tell a left handed student, that no, they are not bad for being left handed?

 

[rightwinger]

No one has a problem with that. We have a problem with pedophile teachers sexualizing children under the age of 14.

We have gays in our society
A child’s friends may have gay family, a teacher may be gay, a child in class may have gay parents……god forbid, a child in their class may be gay.

That is not sexualization…..that is life

 

[rightwinger]

Guess what? Some people believe that is sinful.

Schools shouldn't get involved in making moral judgements on these things.

Some people think interracial marriage is sinful
Some think atheists are sinful
Some think divorce is sinful

Schools should not have to pander to your views of sin

 

[martybegan]

The church once thought being left handed was evil.

Sadly it's still debated today.

Is Being Left-Handed a Sin? – Adventist Today

Now would it be wrong for a teacher to tell a left handed student, that no, they are no bad for being left handed?

And leftists once though communism was the vanguard government policy that would usher in a new era of the classless society.

The teacher should stay out of the morality views of families in general. Should the teacher be able to override parents, and actually the government is doing the overriding, in issues of morality?

 

[martybegan]

Some people think interracial marriage is sinful
Some think atheists are sinful
Some think divorce is sinful

Schools should not have to pander to your views of sin

Public schools should not counter the legal viewpoints of parents on issues of morality.

It's not pandering, it's about not overstepping your bounds.

 

[pknopp]

And leftists once though communism was the vanguard government policy that would usher in a new era of the classless society.

The teacher should stay out of the morality views of families in general. Should the teacher be able to override parents, and actually the government is doing the overriding, in issues of morality?

You didn't answer my question. Should a teacher enforce a parents belief that their kid being left handed is either evil or sinful?

 

[martybegan]

You didn't answer my question. Should a teacher enforce a parents belief that their kid being left handed is either evil or sinful?

They shouldn't enforce any belief.

That would be like the teacher saying homosexuality is sinful.

The issue isn't about recognizing things exist, the issue is taking one side of a moral argument.

Pride is about celebrating homosexuality. That isn't mere recognition.

 

[westwall]

We have gays in our society
A child’s friends may have gay family, a teacher may be gay, a child in class may have gay parents……god forbid, a child in their class may be gay.

That is not sexualization…..that is life

Who cares. Teachers shouldn't be talking about sex with 8 year old children.

That's what pedophiles do.

 

[pknopp]

They shouldn't enforce any belief.

That would be like the teacher saying homosexuality is sinful.

The issue isn't about recognizing things exist, the issue is taking one side of a moral argument.

Pride is about celebrating homosexuality. That isn't mere recognition.

It's not such as easy question. Should there be moral lessons in school over being left or right handed? No.

Should a teacher enforce a parents belief that being left handed is wrong? No.

 

[martybegan]

It's not such as easy question. Should there be moral lessons in school over being left or right handed? No.

Should a teacher enforce a parents belief that being left handed is wrong? No.

Should a school enforce the left's belief that Homosexuality is to be celebrated? No.