Opinion Israel and Palestine: Two states and the extra step

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Author John Bell is Director of the Middle East Programme at the Toledo International Centre for Peace in Madrid. He is a former UN and Canadian diplomat, and served as Political Adviser to the Personal Representative of the UN Secretary-General for southern Lebanon and adviser to the Canadian government during the Iraq crisis in 2002-03.

Bell supports, an Israeli-Palestinian confederation in order to achieve a peace in the area where "the two peoples live in different rooms, but under one roof".

He further states, "A confederation would involve the two states, Israel and Palestine, living under one agreed-upon common political structure: Israel-Palestine (not the one-state Israetine that the late Muammar Gaddafi once proposed in The New York Times). This idea would involve a shared economic zone, and require an open border to work properly. But, it also provides each people with key needs met, independence for the Palestinians, and preservation of a Jewish state for Israelis".

Israel and Palestine: Two states and the extra step - Opinion - Al Jazeera English


Mr. Bells' vision is shortsighted in that each side, Israeli and Palestinian want dominance, not only on the physical territorial plane but in the administration of laws, political direction and presence on the world stage. It is not only the Israeli/Palestinian domestic issues to consider, there are alliances that have been long established by both sides which either must be abandoned or drastically changed. I hardly think the United States and Russia would be fast friends should this "confederation" come into existence, for example.

The road to peace is paved with mutual recognition and respect by each party to this conflict. New or novel ideas will fall by the wayside as old and dug-in ideals and beliefs rise to the top of the proposed alliance known as the "confederation".
 
I rather liked the undeveloped concept of two states both with the same borders of the entirety of I/P.

Not sure how developed the ideas were, but it had a pleasing symmetry.

Maybe it was a timeshare? 3 days each a week, with the Sabbath off.
If only there could be agreement when the Sabbath is ...
 
I rather liked the undeveloped concept of two states both with the same borders of the entirety of I/P.

Not sure how developed the ideas were, but it had a pleasing symmetry.

Maybe it was a timeshare? 3 days each a week, with the Sabbath off.
If only there could be agreement when the Sabbath is ...

Do you know what Beelzebub means? Master Fly. Now you'll be swatted. :D
 
Perhaps both could submit their constitutions to the UN General Assembly and let them decide which one they like best.
 
Perhaps both could submit their constitutions to the UN General Assembly and let them decide which one they like best.

I do not think that would be a viable solution given the UN's history:

"For over a month, the U.N.’s top human rights body has been struggling with a major dilemma. How much prior Israel-bashing experience is necessary to be appointed U.N. “independent expert” on Israel?

On Wednesday we found out. Indonesian Makarim Wibisono has just the right mix of confirmed anti-Israel bias and diplomatic cover to replace outgoing U.N. “expert” Richard Falk.

Falk was a notorious anti-Semite, infamous 9/11 conspiracy theorist, and Boston Marathon apologist. But at the U.N., a six-year time limit forced his retirement -- and not a matter of principle.

Former Indonesian U.N. ambassador Wibisono is from a country that does not recognize Israel’s right to exist. He served as the president of the U.N. Human Rights Commission in its last year of operation in 2005 – a body that even U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said “cast a shadow on the reputation of the United Nations system as a whole.”

UN replaces notorious human rights "expert" Richard Falk with another anti-Israel foe | Fox News
 
I've always liked the idea of Israel adhering to international law, Geneva Conventions and a modicum of repect for human rights, somewhat fanciful I know but they owe it to Judaism at the very least.

Kudos for out of the box thinking but a settlement that allows Israel to profit from their criminality may set precedent.
 
Perhaps both could submit their constitutions to the UN General Assembly and let them decide which one they like best.

Do the Palestinians have a constitution?

Gaza and the WB are separated, both demographycally, but more so- ideologically.

Not when it comes to Israel, of course, in that they're united by the will to see us destroyed, but I'm talking about other aspects.

And see which idea they like best? That's silly. Let's say they like the Palestinian best, and it says something any sane Israeli will never agree with, or the other way around.

How do you plan on solving that?:doubt:
 
I've always liked the idea of Israel adhering to international law, Geneva Conventions and a modicum of repect for human rights, somewhat fanciful I know but they owe it to Judaism at the very least.

Kudos for out of the box thinking but a settlement that allows Israel to profit from their criminality may set precedent.

Define settlemts.

Outpost I can agree to a certain point.

But do you see Hebron as a settlement? Jews lived there for thousands of years untill 1929. Calling them illegal settlers is like calling the Native Americans illegal settlers. That's laughable.
 
Perhaps both could submit their constitutions to the UN General Assembly and let them decide which one they like best.

I do not think that would be a viable solution given the UN's history:

"For over a month, the U.N.’s top human rights body has been struggling with a major dilemma. How much prior Israel-bashing experience is necessary to be appointed U.N. “independent expert” on Israel?

On Wednesday we found out. Indonesian Makarim Wibisono has just the right mix of confirmed anti-Israel bias and diplomatic cover to replace outgoing U.N. “expert” Richard Falk.

Falk was a notorious anti-Semite, infamous 9/11 conspiracy theorist, and Boston Marathon apologist. But at the U.N., a six-year time limit forced his retirement -- and not a matter of principle.

Former Indonesian U.N. ambassador Wibisono is from a country that does not recognize Israel’s right to exist. He served as the president of the U.N. Human Rights Commission in its last year of operation in 2005 – a body that even U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said “cast a shadow on the reputation of the United Nations system as a whole.”

UN replaces notorious human rights "expert" Richard Falk with another anti-Israel foe | Fox News

The UN deals with international law, anyone appointed by the UN is automatically going to be labelled anti semite simply for doing their job.
 
Perhaps both could submit their constitutions to the UN General Assembly and let them decide which one they like best.

I do not think that would be a viable solution given the UN's history:

"For over a month, the U.N.’s top human rights body has been struggling with a major dilemma. How much prior Israel-bashing experience is necessary to be appointed U.N. “independent expert” on Israel?

On Wednesday we found out. Indonesian Makarim Wibisono has just the right mix of confirmed anti-Israel bias and diplomatic cover to replace outgoing U.N. “expert” Richard Falk.

Falk was a notorious anti-Semite, infamous 9/11 conspiracy theorist, and Boston Marathon apologist. But at the U.N., a six-year time limit forced his retirement -- and not a matter of principle.

Former Indonesian U.N. ambassador Wibisono is from a country that does not recognize Israel’s right to exist. He served as the president of the U.N. Human Rights Commission in its last year of operation in 2005 – a body that even U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said “cast a shadow on the reputation of the United Nations system as a whole.”

UN replaces notorious human rights "expert" Richard Falk with another anti-Israel foe | Fox News

The UN deals with international law, anyone appointed by the UN is automatically going to be labelled anti semite simply for doing their job.


No...............

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Hang on.

Does that mean that non-Jews are not human?
 
I've always liked the idea of Israel adhering to international law, Geneva Conventions and a modicum of repect for human rights, somewhat fanciful I know but they owe it to Judaism at the very least.

Kudos for out of the box thinking but a settlement that allows Israel to profit from their criminality may set precedent.

Define settlemts.

Outpost I can agree to a certain point.

But do you see Hebron as a settlement? Jews lived there for thousands of years untill 1929. Calling them illegal settlers is like calling the Native Americans illegal settlers. That's laughable.

No, the Jews returned only after the Arab conquest, that wasn't thousands of years ago. Until the Arab conquest it was an exclusively Christian city.

"The Jews were not permitted to reside in Hebron under Byzantine rule....Hebron was one of the last cities of Palestina Prima to fall to the Islamic invasion in the 7th century, possibly the reason why Hebron is not mentioned in any traditions of the Arab conquest.[62] After the fall of the city, Jerusalem's conqueror, Caliph Omar ibn al-Khattab permitted the Jews to return and allowed them to construct a small synagogue within the Herodian precinct."

Hebron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Hang on.

Does that mean that non-Jews are not human?


Why is it that Pro Palestinian Posters are always accusing the Jewish people of Hate and intolerance towards other Religions yet say nothing about the Hate and Racism of Islam?


The Quran's Verses of Violence


Islam Must Be Stopped: What The Qur'an Says About Non-Muslims

Just a few examples. Are Jews killing Christians who don't convert ?

It's because they are exposing their own Hate, Intolerance, Anti Semitism and Racism
 
The Old Testament has more calls to violence than the Koran, so making such accusations about the Koran is foolish. While we sometimes do not follow our religion and do terrible things, Christian teachings, bible, gospels and Jesus Christ all call on Christians to repudiate violence even when we are wronged, e.g. turn the other cheek. Christianity is one of the few religions of peace.

"Number of Cruel or Violent Passages
Old Testament 1214
Quran 527"

Of course the Koran is much shorter, but still.

Dwindling In Unbelief: Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?
 
The Old Testament has more calls to violence than the Koran, so making such accusations about the Koran is foolish. While we sometimes do not follow our religion and do terrible things, Christian teachings, bible, gospels and Jesus Christ all call on Christians to repudiate violence even when we are wronged, e.g. turn the other cheek. Christianity is one of the few religions of peace.

"Number of Cruel or Violent Passages
Old Testament 1214
Quran 527"

Of course the Koran is much shorter, but still.

Dwindling In Unbelief: Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?

There are three SLIGHT differences;

Actions speak louder then words

. Show me where Jews are enslaving Christians, cutting their Heads off, kidnapping them, etc. etc

The DOUBLE STANDARD of condemning what is written in the Old Testament but not the Quran.

Just one example of Christian Anti Semitism. Do you see anything wrong with this? Of course not

http://www.yashanet.com/library/fathers.htm
 
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