Only in America...mother, jumps out of shower, grabs gun and saves her children....anywhere else and the story is less positive....

[2aguy]

Here we have one of the defensive gun uses that happen every day in the United States......in other, disarmed countries, the victims just have to suffer.......

A Milwaukee mother jumped out of the shower after hearing her children scream, grabbed a gun, and shot and killed an alleged intruder Monday morning.

An early WTMJ report indicated the mother was “dripping wet” when she got out of shower, yet she went to her bedroom, retrieved a gun, then confronted the alleged intruder.

She reacted to the screams of her children, ages 12 and 14, which alerted her that something was wrong.

The mother, who wishes to be unidentified, commented on the incident, saying, “It all happened so fast — an adrenaline rush.”

An updated WTMJ report notes, “The mother bought the gun ten years ago, she said, after discovering a man sleeping under her son’s bed. She said she hoped she’d never need to use it.”

Mother Hops Out of Shower, Shoots Alleged Intruder to Save Her Kids

A Milwaukee mother jumped out of the shower after hearing her children scream, grabbed a gun, and shot and killed an alleged intruder.

www.breitbart.com

 

[Synthaholic]

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[JackOfNoTrades]

And just as easily can go the other way.

People in homes with handguns more likely to be shot dead, major study finds

Researchers find ‘zero evidence of any kind of protective effects’, with women at particular risk

www.theguardian.com

 

[Votto]

Here we have one of the defensive gun uses that happen every day in the United States......in other, disarmed countries, the victims just have to suffer.......

A Milwaukee mother jumped out of the shower after hearing her children scream, grabbed a gun, and shot and killed an alleged intruder Monday morning.

An early WTMJ report indicated the mother was “dripping wet” when she got out of shower, yet she went to her bedroom, retrieved a gun, then confronted the alleged intruder.

She reacted to the screams of her children, ages 12 and 14, which alerted her that something was wrong.

The mother, who wishes to be unidentified, commented on the incident, saying, “It all happened so fast — an adrenaline rush.”

An updated WTMJ report notes, “The mother bought the gun ten years ago, she said, after discovering a man sleeping under her son’s bed. She said she hoped she’d never need to use it.”

Mother Hops Out of Shower, Shoots Alleged Intruder to Save Her Kids

A Milwaukee mother jumped out of the shower after hearing her children scream, grabbed a gun, and shot and killed an alleged intruder.

www.breitbart.com

Hopefully the dead intruder had some money on him she could take to help compensate for the intrusion.

Maybe take off his cloths and jewelry to sell on e-bay, assuming she could get the stains out.

But I think that is only common sense.

 

[Vastator]

Good shoot!

 

[M14 Shooter]

And just as easily can go the other way.

People in homes with handguns more likely to be shot dead, major study finds

Researchers find ‘zero evidence of any kind of protective effects’, with women at particular risk

www.theguardian.com

"Most American gun owners say they own firearms to protect themselves and their loved ones, but a study published this week suggests people who live with handgun owners are shot to death at a higher rate than those who don’t have such weapons at home."

And people who fly are more likely to die in a plane crash than those who do not.
What's your point?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

Here we have one of the defensive gun uses that happen every day in the United States......in other, disarmed countries, the victims just have to suffer.......

A Milwaukee mother jumped out of the shower after hearing her children scream, grabbed a gun, and shot and killed an alleged intruder Monday morning.

An early WTMJ report indicated the mother was “dripping wet” when she got out of shower, yet she went to her bedroom, retrieved a gun, then confronted the alleged intruder.

She reacted to the screams of her children, ages 12 and 14, which alerted her that something was wrong.

The mother, who wishes to be unidentified, commented on the incident, saying, “It all happened so fast — an adrenaline rush.”

An updated WTMJ report notes, “The mother bought the gun ten years ago, she said, after discovering a man sleeping under her son’s bed. She said she hoped she’d never need to use it.”

Mother Hops Out of Shower, Shoots Alleged Intruder to Save Her Kids

A Milwaukee mother jumped out of the shower after hearing her children scream, grabbed a gun, and shot and killed an alleged intruder.

www.breitbart.com

Nothing worst to be in the wrong, is between a mother and her children....Shame that people without a vagina who identify as a woman cannot see this.

Never get between a mother and her child “A mother’s love for her child is like nothing else in the world. It knows no laws, no pity, it dares all things and crushes down remorselessly all that stands in its path.” —Agatha Christie.

Never get between a mother and her child - Pinterest​

www.pinterest.com/pin/637329784749140998/

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

"Most American gun owners say they own firearms to protect themselves and their loved ones, but a study published this week suggests people who live with handgun owners are shot to death at a higher rate than those who don’t have such weapons at home."

And people who fly are more likely to die in a plane crash than those who do not.
What's your point?

The point is that the OP always tries to make the argument that more guns in the US keeps us safe. When that is anything but the case.

 

[martybegan]

And just as easily can go the other way.

People in homes with handguns more likely to be shot dead, major study finds

Researchers find ‘zero evidence of any kind of protective effects’, with women at particular risk

www.theguardian.com

Jack would rather see this woman and her children robbed, raped and/or murdered than armed.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Jack would rather see this woman and her children robbed, raped and/or murdered than armed.

Once again, Gandalf, you miss the point. I have no problem with what this woman did.
Again, just pointing out that in the majority, it doesn't always end well.

 

[martybegan]

Once again, Gandalf, you miss the point. I have no problem with what this woman did.
Again, just pointing out that in the majority, it doesn't always end well.

Based on a probably biased study, not actual results like the story in question.

 

[Whodatsaywhodat.]

Here we have one of the defensive gun uses that happen every day in the United States......in other, disarmed countries, the victims just have to suffer.......

A Milwaukee mother jumped out of the shower after hearing her children scream, grabbed a gun, and shot and killed an alleged intruder Monday morning.

An early WTMJ report indicated the mother was “dripping wet” when she got out of shower, yet she went to her bedroom, retrieved a gun, then confronted the alleged intruder.

She reacted to the screams of her children, ages 12 and 14, which alerted her that something was wrong.

The mother, who wishes to be unidentified, commented on the incident, saying, “It all happened so fast — an adrenaline rush.”

An updated WTMJ report notes, “The mother bought the gun ten years ago, she said, after discovering a man sleeping under her son’s bed. She said she hoped she’d never need to use it.”

Mother Hops Out of Shower, Shoots Alleged Intruder to Save Her Kids

A Milwaukee mother jumped out of the shower after hearing her children scream, grabbed a gun, and shot and killed an alleged intruder.

www.breitbart.com

God bless America .
And the second amendment...
Shall not be infringed....

 

[Flash]

The point is that the OP always tries to make the argument that more guns in the US keeps us safe. When that is anything but the case.

It made that mother safe, didn't it?

About 1.5 million times a year Americans use firearms as protection. Usually not a shooting.

There are not 1.5 million firearms accidents a year. Not by a long shot (no pun intended).

 

[M14 Shooter]

The point is that the OP always tries to make the argument that more guns in the US keeps us safe. When that is anything but the case.

Each year, in the US...
How many guns are used to kill someone?
How many guns are used in self-defense?

 

[2aguy]

And just as easily can go the other way.

People in homes with handguns more likely to be shot dead, major study finds

Researchers find ‘zero evidence of any kind of protective effects’, with women at particular risk

www.theguardian.com

And that study is a lie.....as is most anti-gun research........

Notice...they did not link to the actual study, clue #1...

They do not state the actual situations in the home, since most of the deaths by guns in homes occur because there is an active criminal living in the home....but they don't tell you that....

How do we know these studies are lies....from the earliest studies on this...

Just some basic research...

Kellerman who did the study that came up with the 43 times more likely myth, was forced to retract that study and to do the research over when other academics pointed out how flawed his methods were....he then changed the 43 times number to 2.7, but he was still using flawed data to get even that number.....

Below is the study where he changed the number from 43 to 2.7 and below that is the explanation as to why that number isn't even accurate.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506

After controlling for these characteristics, we found that keeping a gun in the home was strongly and independently associated with an increased risk of homicide (adjusted odds ratio, 2.7;

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https://crimeresearch.org/wp-conten...ack-of-Public-Health-Research-on-Firearms.pdf

3. The Incredibly Flawed Public Health Research Guns in the Home At a town hall at George Mason University in January 2016, President Obama said, “If you look at the statistics, there's no doubt that there are times where somebody who has a weapon has been able to protect themselves and scare off an intruder or an assailant, but what is more often the case is that they may not have been able to protect themselves, but they end up being the victim of the weapon that they purchased themselves.”25 The primary proponents of this claim are Arthur Kellermann and his many coauthors. A gun, they have argued, is less likely to be used in killing a criminal than it is to be used in killing someone the gun owner knows. In one of the most well-known public health studies on firearms, Kellermann’s “case sample” consists of 444 homicides that occurred in homes. His control group had 388 individuals who lived near the deceased victims and were of the same sex, race, and age range. After learning about the homicide victims and control subjects—whether they owned a gun, had a drug or alcohol problem, etc.—these authors attempted to see if the probability of a homicide correlated with gun ownership. Amazingly these studies assume that if someone died from a gun shot, and a gun was owned in the home, that it was the gun in the home that killed that person. The paper is clearly misleading, as it fails to report that in only 8 of these 444 homicide cases was the gun that had been kept in the home the murder weapon.Moreover, the number of criminals stopped with a gun is much higher than the number killed in defensive gun uses. In fact, the attacker is killed in fewer than 1 out of every 1,000 defensive gun uses. Fix either of these data errors and the results are reversed. To demonstrate, suppose that we use the same statistical method—with a matching control group—to do a study on the efficacy of hospital care. Assume that we collect data just as these authors did, compiling a list of all the people who died in a particular county over the period of a year. Then we ask their relatives whether they had been admitted to the hospital during the previous year. We also put together a control sample consisting of neighbors who are part of the same sex, race, and age group. Then we ask these men and women whether they have been in a hospital during the past year. My bet is that those who spent time in hospitals are much more likely to have died.


Nine Myths Of Gun Control

Myth #6 "A homeowner is 43 times as likely to be killed or kill a family member as an intruder"

To suggest that science has proven that defending oneself or one's family with a gun is dangerous, gun prohibitionists repeat Dr. Kellermann's long discredited claim: "a gun owner is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder." [17] This fallacy , fabricated using tax dollars, is one of the most misused slogans of the anti-self-defense lobby.

The honest measure of the protective benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved, and the property protected not Kellermann's burglar or rapist body count.

Only 0.1% (1 in a thousand) of the defensive uses of guns results in the death of the predator. [3]

Any study, such as Kellermann' "43 times" fallacy, that only counts bodies will expectedly underestimate the benefits of gun a thousand fold.

Think for a minute. Would anyone suggest that the only measure of the benefit of law enforcement is the number of people killed by police? Of course not. The honest measure of the benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved by deaths and injuries averted, and the property protected. 65 lives protected by guns for every life lost to a gun. [2]

Kellermann recently downgraded his estimate to "2.7 times," [18] but he persisted in discredited methodology. He used a method that cannot distinguish between "cause" and "effect." His method would be like finding more diet drinks in the refrigerators of fat people and then concluding that diet drinks "cause" obesity.


Also, he studied groups with high rates of violent criminality, alcoholism, drug addiction, abject poverty, and domestic abuse .


From such a poor and violent study group he attempted to generalize his findings to normal homes

Interestingly, when Dr. Kellermann was interviewed he stated that, if his wife were attacked, he would want her to have a gun for protection.[19] Apparently, Dr. Kellermann doesn't even believe his own studies.


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Public Health and Gun Control: A Review



Since at least the mid-1980s, Dr. Kellermann (and associates), whose work had been heavily-funded by the CDC, published a series of studies purporting to show that persons who keep guns in the home are more likely to be victims of homicide than those who don¹t.

In a 1986 NEJM paper, Dr. Kellermann and associates, for example, claimed their "scientific research" proved that defending oneself or one¹s family with a firearm in the home is dangerous and counter productive, claiming "a gun owner is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder."8

In a critical review and now classic article published in the March 1994 issue of the Journal of the Medical Association of Georgia (JMAG), Dr. Edgar Suter, Chairman of Doctors for Integrity in Policy Research (DIPR), found evidence of "methodologic and conceptual errors," such as prejudicially truncated data and the listing of "the correct methodology which was described but never used by the authors."5

Moreover, the gun control researchers failed to consider and underestimated the protective benefits of guns.

Dr. Suter writes: "The true measure of the protective benefits of guns are the lives and medical costs saved, the injuries prevented, and the property protected ‹ not the burglar or rapist body count.

Since only 0.1 - 0.2 percent of defensive uses of guns involve the death of the criminal, any study, such as this, that counts criminal deaths as the only measure of the protective benefits of guns will expectedly underestimate the benefits of firearms by a factor of 500 to 1,000."5

In 1993, in his landmark and much cited NEJM article (and the research, again, heavily funded by the CDC), Dr. Kellermann attempted to show again that guns in the home are a greater risk to the victims than to the assailants.4 Despite valid criticisms by reputable scholars of his previous works (including the 1986 study), Dr. Kellermann ignored the criticisms and again used the same methodology.

He also used study populations with disproportionately high rates of serious psychosocial dysfunction from three selected state counties, known to be unrepresentative of the general U.S. population.

For example,

53 percent of the case subjects had a history of a household member being arrested,

31 percent had a household history of illicit drug use, 32 percent had a household member hit or hurt in a family fight, and

17 percent had a family member hurt so seriously in a domestic altercation that prompt medical attention was required.
Moreover, both the case studies and control groups in this analysis had a very high incidence of financial instability.

In fact, in this study, gun ownership, the supposedly high risk factor for homicide was not one of the most strongly associated factors for being murdered.

Drinking, illicit drugs, living alone, history of family violence, living in a rented home were all greater individual risk factors for being murdered than a gun in the home. One must conclude there is no basis to apply the conclusions of this study to the general population.

All of these are factors that, as Dr. Suter pointed out, "would expectedly be associated with higher rates of violence and homicide."5

It goes without saying, the results of such a study on gun homicides, selecting this sort of unrepresentative population sample, nullify the authors' generalizations, and their preordained, conclusions can not be extrapolated to the general population.

Moreover, although the 1993 New England Journal of Medicine study purported to show that the homicide victims were killed with a gun ordinarily kept in the home, the fact is that as Kates and associates point out 71.1 percent of the victims were killed by assailants who did not live in the victims¹ household using guns presumably not kept in that home.6

 

[2aguy]

The point is that the OP always tries to make the argument that more guns in the US keeps us safe. When that is anything but the case.

Nope........and good for you.....your Chinese Communist Pay masters have moved you to their anti-gun propaganda wing....is that a step up for you, or is it just a lateral move?

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies, murders, beatings and stabbings.....according to the Centers for Disease Control.....lives saved.

The problem with you anti-gun fascists......you only see groups......if individuals are raped, robbed, beaten....murdered........you don't care, because for you the group is more important and the majority of people will never be a victim like that....and even if they are, heck, they'll just go to the doctor, or be buried.........

But for the actual victim...the one who is tortured, raped, and murdered.....you will never understand them....and you just don't care about them......

 

[2aguy]

And just as easily can go the other way.

People in homes with handguns more likely to be shot dead, major study finds

Researchers find ‘zero evidence of any kind of protective effects’, with women at particular risk

www.theguardian.com

Hey......shitbird.......told you so....

About that study in the link you gave.....

The study has shortcomings. Researchers said they could not determine which victims were killed by the handgun owners or with the in-home weapons. They couldn’t account for illegal guns and looked only at handguns, not rifles or other firearms. California offers gun ownership data and other information not obtainable in almost any other state. That allowed the researchers to follow millions of people over many years to try to better establish what happens when a person begins living in a home with handgun.

People Living in Homes With Guns Face More Dangers, Study Says

Most U.S. gun owners say they own firearms to protect themselves and their loved ones. A new study suggests people who live with handgun owners are shot to death at a higher rate than those who don’t have such weapons at home. “We found zero evidence of any kind of protective effects” from...

www.ncja.org

Red Flag #2. David Hemenway is quoted

 

[2aguy]

And just as easily can go the other way.

People in homes with handguns more likely to be shot dead, major study finds

Researchers find ‘zero evidence of any kind of protective effects’, with women at particular risk

www.theguardian.com

Then you would have to explain this fact.............

Over 27 years, from 1993 to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019 (in 2020 that number is 21.52 million)...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

What changed in 2015?

The democrat party did 3 things...

1) they began a war on the police that forced officers to stop pro active police work, allowing criminals to run wild.

2) they began to release the most violent and dangerous gun offenders over and over again, not matter how many times they had been arrested for gun crimes

3) they used their brown shirts, blm/antifa to burn, loot and murder for 7 months in primarily black neighborhoods while the democrat party mayors ordered the police to stand down and not stop them......in order to hurt Trump during the election.

 

[miketx]

Here we have one of the defensive gun uses that happen every day in the United States......in other, disarmed countries, the victims just have to suffer.......

A Milwaukee mother jumped out of the shower after hearing her children scream, grabbed a gun, and shot and killed an alleged intruder Monday morning.

An early WTMJ report indicated the mother was “dripping wet” when she got out of shower, yet she went to her bedroom, retrieved a gun, then confronted the alleged intruder.

She reacted to the screams of her children, ages 12 and 14, which alerted her that something was wrong.

The mother, who wishes to be unidentified, commented on the incident, saying, “It all happened so fast — an adrenaline rush.”

An updated WTMJ report notes, “The mother bought the gun ten years ago, she said, after discovering a man sleeping under her son’s bed. She said she hoped she’d never need to use it.”

Mother Hops Out of Shower, Shoots Alleged Intruder to Save Her Kids

A Milwaukee mother jumped out of the shower after hearing her children scream, grabbed a gun, and shot and killed an alleged intruder.

www.breitbart.com

I did something similar years ago. I was in the shower and my wife came and told me some guy just drove up. I got out and grabbed a pistol and my wife answered the door and he wanted her to come out and show her how to get back to the hiway. The road only goes one place. He left soon. It was a grungy looking Amish guy in a filthy van. Didn't get to shoot him.

 

[2aguy]

And just as easily can go the other way.

People in homes with handguns more likely to be shot dead, major study finds

Researchers find ‘zero evidence of any kind of protective effects’, with women at particular risk

www.theguardian.com

Hey....dipstick....I found the actual study for you........and, as we know, the flaws are obvious...

Among homicides that occurred at home, the relationship of perpetrator to victim was unknown for 26.6%; among the rest, the victim was killed by a spouse or intimate partner in 36.9%, another family member in 25.9%,

a friend or acquaintance in 20.9%, and a stranger in 16.2%.

ACP Journals

One of the ways these anti-gunners lie in their studies? Drug dealers and buyers, gang members..."Know each other,"

As I pointed out in the Kellerman work, this study also follows his methods......they do not disclose the criminal history in the home.....the use of drugs or abuse of alchohol in the home....the history of domestic violence in the home........the relationship status of the people in the home...