One State

[montelatici]

It really is a tragedy historically for the Jews, however it was the Europeans by far (not even close) that murdered them...They also created Israel by political fiat from a land where the people there had NOTHING to do with this killing and that logic escapes you...

This is not lost on the Arabs and yet they offer a peace deal that splits the land along with trade and acceptance...

The Israeli conquests and cultural greed will be their undoing...The 600 million Arabs will win this war of attrition in time, however long it takes them...That is the reality and history of all past invaders to this land...

Always good to see someone with a good knowledge of history. Perhaps you could help me out here. What was that person's name who was the ruler of the Palestinian State just before the Jews overthrew him/her? Was that a state, a nation, or a country back then? Did they have a democracy, a dictator, or a socialist nation? I am assuming they had a flag of course. I would love to see a picture of it. You know, the one the Jews tore down obviously.

You don't have to be a Nation/State to have the rights of self-determination...Much like our-own American Indians...

"our-own"?

Guess you're not American, are you an Israeli?

No, I am American alright. I just find the term "our-own" as a bit demeaning. Especially coming from someone as sensitive to others' status as you. (A little secret, just between me and you, you really don't give a **** about the Palestinians. You do hate Jews however. )

A little secret, just between me and you, you really don't give a **** about the Jews. You do hate Arabs, however.

 

[RandomVariable]

Always good to see someone with a good knowledge of history. Perhaps you could help me out here. What was that person's name who was the ruler of the Palestinian State just before the Jews overthrew him/her? Was that a state, a nation, or a country back then? Did they have a democracy, a dictator, or a socialist nation? I am assuming they had a flag of course. I would love to see a picture of it. You know, the one the Jews tore down obviously.

You don't have to be a Nation/State to have the rights of self-determination...Much like our-own American Indians...

"our-own"?

Guess you're not American, are you an Israeli?

No, I am American alright. I just find the term "our-own" as a bit demeaning. Especially coming from someone as sensitive to others' status as you. (A little secret, just between me and you, you really don't give a **** about the Palestinians. You do hate Jews however. )

A little secret, just between me and you, you really don't give a **** about the Jews. You do hate Arabs, however.

Worthy of a reply. Unlike some around here. Do I give a **** about Jews? Kind of. They are pretty screwed up these days though. They are getting better I think. Do I hate Arabs? No. Do I hate Muslims? Yes. But it is a religious thing not an emotional one.

 

[RandomVariable]

Where did you go? You left your panties!

You give a person one hour and twenty one minutes to reply?????? And I thought I was bad giving Grendelyn a week + to reply!

He can give me all the time in the world, not happening. Not to that stuff.

 

[pbel]

It really is a tragedy historically for the Jews, however it was the Europeans by far (not even close) that murdered them...They also created Israel by political fiat from a land where the people there had NOTHING to do with this killing and that logic escapes you...

This is not lost on the Arabs and yet they offer a peace deal that splits the land along with trade and acceptance...

The Israeli conquests and cultural greed will be their undoing...The 600 million Arabs will win this war of attrition in time, however long it takes them...That is the reality and history of all past invaders to this land...

Always good to see someone with a good knowledge of history. Perhaps you could help me out here. What was that person's name who was the ruler of the Palestinian State just before the Jews overthrew him/her? Was that a state, a nation, or a country back then? Did they have a democracy, a dictator, or a socialist nation? I am assuming they had a flag of course. I would love to see a picture of it. You know, the one the Jews tore down obviously.

You don't have to be a Nation/State to have the rights of self-determination...Much like our-own American Indians...

"our-own"?

Guess you're not American, are you an Israeli?

No, I am American alright. I just find the term "our-own" as a bit demeaning. Especially coming from someone as sensitive to others' status as you. (A little secret, just between me and you, you really don't give a **** about the Palestinians. You do hate Jews however. )

Its a term of endearment...Palestinians

Where did you go? You left your panties!

You give a person one hour and twenty one minutes to reply?????? And I thought I was bad giving Grendelyn a week + to reply!

He can give me all the time in the world, not happening. Not to that stuff.

The Question was:What NationState did the Jews invade from and who was their leader?The second question was:Why would hate of anyone change the facts? (just between you and me, do you hate Palestinians?)

Third question is: Why did you runoff?

 

[pbel]

Always good to see someone with a good knowledge of history. Perhaps you could help me out here. What was that person's name who was the ruler of the Palestinian State just before the Jews overthrew him/her? Was that a state, a nation, or a country back then? Did they have a democracy, a dictator, or a socialist nation? I am assuming they had a flag of course. I would love to see a picture of it. You know, the one the Jews tore down obviously.

You don't have to be a Nation/State to have the rights of self-determination...Much like our-own American Indians...

"our-own"?

Guess you're not American, are you an Israeli?

No, I am American alright. I just find the term "our-own" as a bit demeaning. Especially coming from someone as sensitive to others' status as you. (A little secret, just between me and you, you really don't give a **** about the Palestinians. You do hate Jews however. )

Its a term of endearment...Palestinians

Where did you go? You left your panties!

You give a person one hour and twenty one minutes to reply?????? And I thought I was bad giving Grendelyn a week + to reply!

He can give me all the time in the world, not happening. Not to that stuff.

The Question was:What NationState did the Jews invade from and who was their leader?The se4cond question was:Why would hate of anyone change the facts? (just between you and me, do you hate Palestinians?)

Third question is: Why did you runoff?

Answers?

 

[docmauser1]

Israel and Palestine need a one-state solution Al Jazeera America

Why would jews need any more millions of freeloaders?

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[docmauser1]

The Question was:What NationState did the Jews invade from and who was their leader?

The question "what nation-state did jews allegedly invade?" is even funnier. I'd say it's by far the funniest one.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Question was:What NationState did the Jews invade from and who was their leader?

The question "what nation-state did jews allegedly invade?" is even funnier. I'd say it's by far the funniest one.

You missed the memo.

Palestine, as the mandate clearly showed, was a subject under international law. While she could not conclude international conventions, the mandatory Power, until further notice, concluded them on her behalf, in virtue of Article 19 of the mandate. The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.
- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937 ​

 

[toastman]

So first you claim Palestine was formed in 1948. Then you claim it was formed in 1923 (Treaty of Lausanne). Then yesterday when I asked you the same question you said 1927 (or 1928??).

Of course, all are wrong. A sovereign Palestinian state was formed in 1988,

 

[P F Tinmore]

So first you claim Palestine was formed in 1948. Then you claim it was formed in 1923 (Treaty of Lausanne). Then yesterday when I asked you the same question you said 1927 (or 1928??).

Of course, all are wrong. A sovereign Palestinian state was formed in 1988,

It was the Treaty of Lausanne. I have always been consistent on that.

 

[toastman]

So first you claim Palestine was formed in 1948. Then you claim it was formed in 1923 (Treaty of Lausanne). Then yesterday when I asked you the same question you said 1927 (or 1928??).

Of course, all are wrong. A sovereign Palestinian state was formed in 1988,

It was the Treaty of Lausanne. I have always been consistent on that.

NO, it wasn't. Show me some proof that says that the treaty of Lausanne is what created a Palestinian sovereign state.

I already showed you my proof that the Treaty of Lausanne said that the issue of Palestine was to be dealt with by those involved.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So first you claim Palestine was formed in 1948. Then you claim it was formed in 1923 (Treaty of Lausanne). Then yesterday when I asked you the same question you said 1927 (or 1928??).

Of course, all are wrong. A sovereign Palestinian state was formed in 1988,

It was the Treaty of Lausanne. I have always been consistent on that.

NO, it wasn't. Show me some proof that says that the treaty of Lausanne is what created a Palestinian sovereign state.

I already showed you my proof that the Treaty of Lausanne said that the issue of Palestine was to be dealt with by those involved.

The international borders of Palestine were defined. The Palestinians became a nation of People. Palestinians became citizens of Palestine.

The Treaty of Lausanne allowed all of that to happen.

 

[toastman]

So first you claim Palestine was formed in 1948. Then you claim it was formed in 1923 (Treaty of Lausanne). Then yesterday when I asked you the same question you said 1927 (or 1928??).

Of course, all are wrong. A sovereign Palestinian state was formed in 1988,

It was the Treaty of Lausanne. I have always been consistent on that.

NO, it wasn't. Show me some proof that says that the treaty of Lausanne is what created a Palestinian sovereign state.

I already showed you my proof that the Treaty of Lausanne said that the issue of Palestine was to be dealt with by those involved.

The international borders of Palestine were defined. The Palestinians became a nation of People. Palestinians became citizens of Palestine.

The Treaty of Lausanne allowed all of that to happen.

I asked you for a link that says all of this. If any of the above were true, where is your proof ?

 

[toastman]

Here is my proof that you're absolutely wrong:

[But it does not mention Palestine, except here:
ARTICLE I6.
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.]

Treaty of Lausanne in 1923 Palestine Mandate

 

[toastman]

Borders[edit]

Adakale Island in River Danube was forgotten during the peace talks at the Congress of Berlin in 1878, which allowed it to remain a de jure Turkish territory and the Ottoman Sultan Abdülhamid II's private possession until the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923 (de facto until Romania unilaterally declared its sovereignty on the island in 1919 and further strengthened this claim with the Treaty of Trianon in 1920.)[10] The island was submerged during the construction of the Iron Gates hydroelectric plant in 1970, which also removed the possibility of a potential legal claim by the descendants of Abdülhamid II.
The treaty delimited the boundaries of Greece, Bulgaria, and Turkey; formally ceded all Turkish claims on the Dodecanese Islands (Article 15); Cyprus (Article 20);[11] Egypt and Sudan (Article 17); Syria and Iraq (Article 3); and (along with the Treaty of Ankara) settled the boundaries of the latter two nations.[1]

The territories to the south of Syria and Iraq on the Arabian Peninsula which still remained under Turkish control when the Armistice of Mudros was signed on 30 October 1918 were not explicitly identified in the text of the treaty. However, the definition of Turkey's southern border in Article 3 also meant that Turkey officially ceded them. These territories included Yemen, Asir and parts of Hejaz like the city of Medina. They were held by Turkish forces until 23 January 1919.[12][13]

Turkey officially ceded Adakale Island in River Danube to Romania with Articles 25 and 26 of the Treaty of Lausanne; by formally recognizing the related provisions in the Treaty of Trianon of 1920.[1][10]

Turkey also renounced its privileges in Libya which were defined by Article 10 of the Treaty of Ouchy in 1912 (per Article 22 of the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923.)[1]

Treaty of Lausanne - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Not a single mention of 'Palestine' or its borders.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Here is my proof that you're absolutely wrong:

[But it does not mention Palestine, except here:
ARTICLE I6.
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.]

Treaty of Lausanne in 1923 Palestine Mandate

This is only a blog by someone who is not an expert in the original history of the territory.

PalestineBureau:
The editor + writer of this blog is Marian Houk, a reporter, journalist and analyst currently based in Jerusalem with experience at the United Nations and in the Middle East, who has followed the peace process from the June 1967 war to the present.​

 

[toastman]

Here is my proof that you're absolutely wrong:

[But it does not mention Palestine, except here:
ARTICLE I6.
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.]

Treaty of Lausanne in 1923 Palestine Mandate

This is only a blog by someone who is not an expert in the original history of the territory.

PalestineBureau:
The editor + writer of this blog is Marian Houk, a reporter, journalist and analyst currently based in Jerusalem with experience at the United Nations and in the Middle East, who has followed the peace process from the June 1967 war to the present.​

This is what you just responded to me:

This is only a blog by someone who is not an expert in the original history of the territory.

PalestineBureau:
The editor + writer of this blog is Marian Houk, a reporter, journalist and analyst currently based in Jerusalem with experience at the United Nations and in the Middle East, who has followed the peace process from the June 1967 war to the present.

How does that answer my question ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Here is my proof that you're absolutely wrong:

[But it does not mention Palestine, except here:
ARTICLE I6.
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.]

Treaty of Lausanne in 1923 Palestine Mandate

This is only a blog by someone who is not an expert in the original history of the territory.

PalestineBureau:
The editor + writer of this blog is Marian Houk, a reporter, journalist and analyst currently based in Jerusalem with experience at the United Nations and in the Middle East, who has followed the peace process from the June 1967 war to the present.​

This is what you just responded to me:

This is only a blog by someone who is not an expert in the original history of the territory.

PalestineBureau:
The editor + writer of this blog is Marian Houk, a reporter, journalist and analyst currently based in Jerusalem with experience at the United Nations and in the Middle East, who has followed the peace process from the June 1967 war to the present.

How does that answer my question ?

I don't see a question mark in your post.

 

[toastman]

Here is my proof that you're absolutely wrong:

[But it does not mention Palestine, except here:
ARTICLE I6.
Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned.]

Treaty of Lausanne in 1923 Palestine Mandate

This is only a blog by someone who is not an expert in the original history of the territory.

PalestineBureau:
The editor + writer of this blog is Marian Houk, a reporter, journalist and analyst currently based in Jerusalem with experience at the United Nations and in the Middle East, who has followed the peace process from the June 1967 war to the present.​

This is what you just responded to me:

This is only a blog by someone who is not an expert in the original history of the territory.

PalestineBureau:
The editor + writer of this blog is Marian Houk, a reporter, journalist and analyst currently based in Jerusalem with experience at the United Nations and in the Middle East, who has followed the peace process from the June 1967 war to the present.

How does that answer my question ?

I don't see a question mark in your post.

Nvmd. I misunderstood your last post , before this one.

Either way, I have proved that the treaty of Lausanne in no way had any connection to Palestine.