One of the lies that trump keeps telling..

[otto105]

Trump has repeatedly stated that America as spent 350 billion on aid to Ukraine. Also the side lie of that we have spent 200 billion more than Europe.

The facts.

How much has the US given to Ukraine?


Not even close.

 

[okfine]

shutler! has repeatedly stated that America as spent 250 billion on aid to Ukraine. Also the side lie of that we have spent 200 billion more than Europe.

The facts.

How much has the US given to Ukraine?


Not even close.

I'm still laughing at the $50M in condoms that doubled to $100M (by Trump) and then Musk said it was a lie.

Trump lies. Musk lies. Fools believed them.

 

[Rambunctious]

shutler! has repeatedly stated that America as spent 350 billion on aid to Ukraine. Also the side lie of that we have spent 200 billion more than Europe.

The facts.

How much has the US given to Ukraine?


Not even close.

• Air Defense
• Three Patriot air defense batteries and munitions;
• 12 National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS) and munitions;
• HAWK air defense systems and munitions;
• AIM-7, RIM-7, and AIM-9M missiles for air defense;
• More than 3,000 Stinger anti-aircraft missiles;
• Avenger air defense systems;
• VAMPIRE counter-Unmanned Aerial Systems (c-UAS) and munitions;
• c-UAS gun trucks and ammunition;
• Mobile c-UAS laser-guided rocket systems;
• Other c-UAS equipment;
• Anti-aircraft guns and ammunition;
• Air defense systems components;
• Equipment to integrate Western launchers, missiles, and radars with Ukraine’s systems;
• Equipment to support and sustain Ukraine’s existing air defense capabilities; and
• 21 air surveillance radars.

Fires

• More than 40 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) and ammunition;
• Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb launchers and guided rockets;
• More than 200 155mm Howitzers and more than 3,000,000 155mm artillery rounds;
• More than 7,000 precision-guided 155mm artillery rounds;
• More than 100,000 155mm rounds of Remote Anti-Armor Mine (RAAM) Systems;
• 72 105mm Howitzers and 1,000,000 105mm artillery rounds;
• 10,000 203mm artillery rounds;
• More than 400,000 152mm artillery rounds;
• Approximately 40,000 130mm artillery rounds;
• 40,000 122mm artillery rounds;
• 60,000 122mm GRAD rockets;
• More than 300 mortar systems;
• More than 700,000 mortar rounds;
• More than 100 counter-artillery and counter-mortar radars; and
• More than 50 multi-mission radars.

Ground Maneuver

• 31 Abrams tanks;
• 45 T-72B tanks;
• More than 300 Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicles;
• Four Bradley Fire Support Team vehicles;
• More than 400 Stryker Armored Personnel Carriers;
• More than 900 M113 Armored Personnel Carriers;
• More than 400 M1117 Armored Security Vehicles;
• More than 1,000 Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) Vehicles;
• More than 5,000 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWVs);
• More than 200 light tactical vehicles;
• 300 armored medical treatment vehicles;
• 80 trucks and more than 200 trailers to transport heavy equipment;
• More than 1,000 tactical vehicles to tow and haul equipment;
• 153 tactical vehicles to recover equipment;
• 10 command post vehicles;
• 30 ammunition support vehicles;
• 29 armored bridging systems;
• 20 logistics support vehicles and equipment;
• 239 fuel tankers and 105 fuel trailers;
• 58 water trailers;
• Six armored utility trucks;
• 125mm, 120mm, and 105mm tank ammunition;
• More than 1,800,000 rounds of 25mm ammunition; and
• Mine clearing equipment.

Aircraft and Unmanned Aerial Systems

• 20 Mi-17 helicopters;
• Switchblade Unmanned Aerial Systems (UAS);
• Phoenix Ghost UAS;
• CyberLux K8 UAS;
• Higher-600 UAS;
• Jump-20 UAS;
• Hornet UAS
• Puma UAS;
• Scan Eagle UAS;
• Penguin UAS;
• Raven UAS;
• Other UAS;
• Two radars for UAS;
• High-speed Anti-radiation missiles (HARMs);
• Air-to-ground munitions;
• Support equipment for F-16s;
• More than 6,000 Zuni aircraft rockets;
• More than 20,000 Hydra-70 aircraft rockets; and
• Munitions for UAS.

Anti-armor and Small Arms

• More than 10,000 Javelin anti-armor systems;
• More than 120,000 other anti-armor systems and munitions;
• More than 10,000 Tube-Launched, Optically-Tracked, Wire-Guided (TOW) missiles;
• More than 50,000 grenade launchers and small arms;
• More than 500,000,000 rounds of small arms ammunition and grenades;
• Laser-guided rocket systems and munitions;
• Rocket launchers and ammunition; and
• Anti-armor mines.

Maritime

• Two Harpoon coastal defense systems and anti-ship missiles;
• More than 100 coastal and riverine patrol boats;
• Unmanned Coastal Defense Vessels; and
• Port and harbor security equipment.

Other capabilities

• M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel munitions;
• C-4 explosives, demolition munitions, and demolition equipment for obstacle clearing;
• Obstacle emplacement equipment;
• Counter air defense capability;
• More than 100,000 sets of body armor and helmets;
• Tactical secure communications systems and support equipment;
• Four satellite communications (SATCOM) antennas;
• SATCOM terminals and services;
• Electronic warfare (EW) and counter-EW equipment;
• Commercial satellite imagery services;
• Night vision devices, surveillance and thermal imagery systems, optics, and rangefinders;
• Equipment to protect critical national infrastructure;
• Explosive ordnance disposal equipment and protective gear;
• Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear protective equipment;
• Medical supplies, including first aid kits, bandages, monitors, and other equipment;
• Field equipment, cold weather gear, generators, and spare parts; and
• Support for training, maintenance, and sustainment activities.

To date, nearly 50 Allies and partner countries have provided security assistance to Ukraine. Among their many contributions to Ukraine, Allies and partners have delivered 10 long-range Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS), 178 long-range artillery systems, nearly 100,000 rounds of long-range artillery ammunition, nearly 250,000 anti-tank munitions, 359 tanks, 629 armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs), 8,214 short-range air defense missiles, and 88 lethal UAVs.

Presidential Drawdown Authority (PDA)


The real facts.....

 

[otto105]

Or this one.

• An $8 billion cut at Immigration and Customs Enforcement. The actual contract in question was worth $8 million. The mistake seemed to stem from an earlier, erroneous entry in a federal contracting database. But contracting experts said that the service should have known better: ICE’s entire budget is about $8 billion, making it implausible that one contract could be so large. The U.S. DOGE Service adjusted the figure on the site after The Times wrote about it, and said in a post on Mr. Musk’s X platform that it had “always used the correct $8M in its calculations.”

 

[otto105]

Or this one...

• Three $655 million cuts at the U.S. Agency for International Development. This was actually a single cut that was erroneously counted three times, as first reported by CBS News. That mistake also seemed to reflect a misunderstanding of the way government contracts work; they sometimes have “ceiling values” far in excess of what will be spent. Experts said this cancellation was unlikely to produce anything close to $655 million in savings even once. Now, the site lists a much smaller savings for these three cancellations: $18 million in total.

 

[otto105]

Or this one...

• A $232 million cut at the Social Security Administration. Here, Mr. Musk’s organization appeared to have mistakenly believed that the agency had canceled a huge information technology contract with the defense contracting giant Leidos. Instead, as reported by The Intercept, it had canceled only a tiny piece of it: a $560,000 project to let users mark their gender as “X.” The DOGE site now shows that small cut instead.

 

[Rambunctious]

States have also contributed like California sending fire fighting equipment and medical supplies Arizona sent ambulances and construction equipment...
Zelenskyy is an idiot.... didn't even thank us.....

 

[otto105]

States have also contributed like California sending fire fighting equipment and medical supplies Arizona sent ambulances and construction equipment...
Zelenskyy is an idiot.... didn't even thank us.....

He has thanked us 100s of times fuckup.

He isn’t going to personally thank you as you oppose aid to his country.

 

[otto105]

The largest savings on the latest version of its list is a $1.9 billion cut at the Treasury Department. But The Times reported last week that this contract was canceled last fall, when Joseph R. Biden Jr. was president — and when DOGE did not yet exist.

 

[Kruska]

shutler! has repeatedly stated that America as spent 350 billion on aid to Ukraine. Also the side lie of that we have spent 200 billion more than Europe.

The facts.

How much has the US given to Ukraine?


Not even close.

Today in the Presence of Zelensky and in the presence of Macron two days ? before, the Felon constantly stated US$ 350Billion
Whilst EVERYBODY (not MAGA retards) knows that the USA spend US$ 120 Billion. In direct military and economic aid.

The remaining US$ 60 billion (aka total US$ 180 Billion) is money that the US Congress allocated in contract value to the US MIC.
And Ukraine is obligated to pay back these US$ 60 Billion - upon receiving these weapon-systems - which so far they haven't received. That is why Germany and IIRC Holland jumped in 2 month ago - supplying Ukraine with additional Patriot systems and ammo.

Just Germany

• 179 Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicles (MRAP)* (before: 123)
• ammunition for main battle tank LEOPARD 1*
• ammunition for infantry fighting vehicles MARDER*
• 103 main battle tanks LEOPARD 1 A5* with spare parts (joint project with Denmark)
• ammunition for main battle tank LEOPARD 2 (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
• 140 infantry fighting vehicles MARDER with spare parts
• (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
• 78 tracked all-terrain vehicles Bandvagn 206 (BV206)*
• 11 All Terrain Tracked Carrier Warthog (command vehicle)*
• 158 MG3 for LEOPARD 2, MARDER and DACHS
• 5 All Terrain Tracked Carrier Warthog (repair and recovery vehicle)*
• 66 Armoured Personnel Carriers (APC)*
• 18 LEOPARD 2 A 6 main battle tanks with ammunition and spare parts
• (German share in joint project with further LEOPARD 2 operators)
• 50 MRAP vehicles DINGO
• 54 M113 armoured personnel carriers each with 2 MG and spare parts* (systems of Denmark, upgrades financed by Germany)

Air defence​

• 282,000 rounds ammunitions for self-propelled anti-aircraft guns
• GEPARD (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
• IRIS-T SLM missiles*
• IRIS-T SLS missiles
• 6 air defence systems IRIS-T (SLM/SLS)*
• 12 Kinetic Defence Vehicle (Diehl Defence)*
• 4 PATRIOT launchers (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
• 57 self-propelled anti-aircraft guns GEPARD with spare parts
• 16 air surveillance radar TRML-4D*
• AIM-9L/I-1 Sidewinder missiles
• Sea Sparrow missiles
• 3 air defence systems PATRIOT with spare parts
• PATRIOT missiles
• 2 air defence systems SKYNEX with ammunition*
• 4,000 rounds practice ammunitions for self-propelled anti-aircraft guns
• 500 Man Portable Air Defense Systems STINGER
• 2,700 Man Portable Air Defense Systems STRELA

Artillery​

• 6 wheeled self-propelled howitzer Zuzana 2* (project jointly financed with Denmark and Norway) (before: 2)
• 422,000 rounds 155mm ammunition (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*) (before: 372,000)
• 21,000 rounds 122mm ammunition* (before: 19,000)
• 25 self-propelled howitzers Panzerhaubitze 2000 with spare parts (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
• 7 howitzer tubes M109 155mm*
• 21,000 rounds 155mm smoke/illuminating ammunition
• ammunition for multiple rocket launchers MARS II
• 3 multiple rocket launchers HIMARS
• 155mm precision guided ammunition* (SMArt, VULCANO)
• 5 multiple rocket launchers MARS II with ammunition (German share in joint project with USA and Great Britain)
• 20 rocket launchers 70mm on pick-up trucks with rockets*
• counter battery radar system COBRA*
• 10 laser target designators and portable fire control modules for VULCANO artillery ammunition*

Drones and anti-drone systems​

• 900 strike drones HF-1* (before: 600)
• 499 reconnaissance drones VECTOR with spare parts* (before: 448)
• 684 reconnaissance drones RQ-35 HEIDRUN* (before: 439)
• 211 reconnaissance drones SONGBIRD* (before: 182)
• 46 reconnaissance drones HORNET XR* (before: 32)
• 60 reconnaissance drones Golden Eagle*
• 2 reconnaissance drones VT-4 Rochen*
• 70 unmanned surface vessels*
• 200 mobile drone jammers*
• 88 anti-drone sensors and jammers*
• 70 frequency range extensions for anti-drone devices*
• 180 RF 360 fieldkits – drone detection systems*
• 19 drone detection systems*
• 93 drone sensors*
• 18 reconnaissance drones Primoco ONE*
• 1 LUNA NG reconnaissance system*
• 10 anti-drone guns*
• 12 electronic anti-drone devices*

Military Engineering Capabilities​

• 59 mine clearing tanks WISENT 1 with spare parts* (before: 57)
• 77 mine ploughs* (before: 61)
• material for explosive ordnance disposal (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
• 25 mobile, remote controlled and protected mine clearing systems*
• 27 bridge-laying tanks BEAVER with spare parts*
• 100 portable mine clearing systems H-PEMBS*
• 90 mine detectors*
• 12 armoured engineer vehicles DACHS with spare parts*
• 6 High Mobility Engineer Excavators
• 22 armoured recovery vehicles Bergepanzer 2 with spare parts*
• 500 tool kits with blasting material*
• 19 heavy and medium bridge systems and 12 trailers
• 5 bridges for bridge-laying tank BEAVER
• 2 armoured recovery vehicles Bergepanzer 3
• 12 mobile and protected mine clearing systems Ahlmann*

Protective and Special Equipment​

• 765 laser range finders* (before: 120)
• 285 border protection vehicles* (before: 277)
• 230 field glasses*
• 15 air assault vehicles Caracal*
• 15 AMPS self-protection systems for helicopters*
• 45 underwater scooter*
• 52 mobile antenna mast systems*
• 82 ground surveillance radars*
• 58,000 combat helmets
• 331SatCom terminals*
• 750 night vision goggles*
• IT equipment*
• 2,000 LED lamps*
• 84 outboard motors
• 400 IR cameras*
• 3 Satcom surveillance systems*
• 1 naval mine clearance system*
• 2,667 Crypto Phones*
• 90,600 safety glasses (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
• 1 PCB printer*
• 1 antenna hub station
• 1,288 binoculars
• 5 mobile reconnaissance systems SurveilSPIRE*
• 10 radio jammers*
• 40 laser target designators*
• 1 radio frequency system
• 3,000 field telephones with 5.000 cable reels and carrying straps
• 1 communications electronic scanner/jammer systems*
• 6 mobile decontamination vehicles HEP 70 including decontamination material
• 10 HMMWV (8x ground radar capability, 2x jamming/anti drone capability)*
• 1 high frequency unit with equipment*

Logistics​

• 262 trucks Zetros*
• 78 tankers Zetros*
• 24 tank transporter tractor M1070 Oshkosh*
• 473 vehicles (trucks, minibuses, all-terrain vehicles) (from
• Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
• 181 Pick-ups*
• 40 protected vehicles*
• 90 truck tractor trains 8x8 HX81 and 90 semi-trailers*
• 25 trucks MAN TGS*
• 40 load-handling trucks 8x8
• 34 load-handling trucks 15t*
• 6 load-handling trucks 8x6 with 21 roll of containers*
• 14 tracked and remote controlled infantry vehicles THeMIS*

Combat Readiness and Survivability​

• 467,000 rounds ammunition 40mm* (before: 393,000)
• 450 machine guns MG5* (before: 350)
• 3,410 assault rifles HK 416* (before: 495)
• 4,905 assault rifles MK 556* (before: 4,005)
• 484 precision rifles HLR 338 with 314,000 rounds ammunition* (before: 420)
• 881 rifles CR 308* (before: 661)
• 73 assault rifles AK-47
• more than 60 million rounds of ammunition for fire arms (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
• 88.400 wool blankets (before: 60,600)
• 14,766 sleeping bags (before: 14,000)
• 343,400 tourniquets (before: 306,200)
• 26,000 120mm mortar ammunition*
• 370,000 chest seals*
• 19,480 anti-tank mines (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
• 220 grenade launchers GMG*
• 200 machine guns MG4*
• emergency power generators
• 250 tents
• 1 million trauma bandages*
• 16,000 man-portable anti-tank weapons RGW 90*
• 3,500 pistols SFP9*
• 110 machine gun MG3 with 500 spare barrels and breechblocks
• 655,000 first aid kits*
• 2 field hospitals*
• 93,000 smoke grenades*
• 100,000 m detonating cord and 115.000 detonators
• rescue boats*
• 6.132 camouflage nets (from Bundeswehr and industry stocks*)
• 6,000 ponchos*
• 450 snow chains
• 205,000 single module group rations
• medical material
• 10 All Terrain Tracked Carrier Warthog (ambulance)
• 49 ambulances*
• 30,000 winter clothing sets
• 27,477 backpacks
• 1,202 Infusion kits
• 8 dental sterilizers
• 2 hangar tents*
• 8 lift trucks*
• 295 generators
• 168 mobile heating systems*
• Mi-24 spare parts*
• spare parts for heavy machine gun M2
• 116,000 winter jackets
• 80,000 winter trousers
• 240,000 winter hats
• 320,000 pre-packaged military Meals Ready
• 67 fridges for medical material*
• 3,000 anti-tank weapons Panzerfaust 3 with 900 firing devices
• 50 Bunkerfaust with 15 firing devices
• 100,000 hand grenades
• 5,300 explosive charges
• 350,000 detonators
• 100 auto-injector devices
• 15 palettes military clothing
• 1,200 hospital beds
• 18 palettes medical material, 60 surgical lights
• protective clothing, surgical masks
• 1 field hospital (project jointly financed with Estonia)*
• Diesel and gasoline*
• 10 tons AdBlue*
• 500 medical gauzes*
• MiG-29 spare parts*
• 25 infantry fighting vehicles MARDER*
• 9 AiTO30 FDC (wheeled infantry fighting vehicle RCT-30 with mobile fire direction center)*
• 221 Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicles (MRAP)*
• 22 LEOPARD 1 A5 main battle tanks* (inter alia joint project with Denmark and the Netherlands)
• ammunition for main battle tanks for LEOPARD 2*
• ammunition for infantry fighting vehicles MARDER*

Add on Deliveries under present execution

Air defence​

• 2 PATRIOT launcher*
• 4 Kinetic Defence Vehicle (Diehl Defence)*
• 13 self-propelled anti-aircraft guns GEPARD*
• 2 air defence systems SKYNEX with ammunition*
• IRIS-T SLM/SLS missiles*
• 6 air defence systems IRIS-T (SLM/SLS)*
• GEPARD ammunition*

Artillery​

• 54 wheeled self-propelled howitzers RCH 155*
• 19 self-propelled howitzers Panzerhaubitze 2000*
• more than 120,000 projectiles 122mm*
• more than 200,000 projectiles 155mm*
• 10 wheeled self-propelled howitzer Zuzana 2* (project jointly financed with Denmark and Norway)

Drones and counter-UAV systems​

• 3,100 strike drones HF-1
• 71 reconnaissance drones VECTOR*
• 332 reconnaissance drones SONGBIRD*
• 40 drone detection systems*
• 11 anti-drone sensors and jammers*

Helicopter​

• 6 Sea King Mk41 multi-role helicopters with spare parts

Military Engineering Capabilities​

• 9 armoured recovery vehicles Bergepanzer 2*
• material for explosive ordnance disposal*
• 2 mobile and protected mine clearing systems Ahlmann*

Protective and Special Equipment​

• 1,660 combat helmets*
• 23 laser range finders*
• 4 AMPS self-protection systems for helicopters*
• 10,000 safety glasses*
• 10 mobile reconnaissance systems SurveilSPIRE*
• 215 border protection vehicles*
• 11 communications electronic scanner/jammer systems*

Logistics​

• 30 tracked and remote controlled infantry vehicles Gereon RCS*
• 20 Zetros refrigerator trucks*
• 1 load-handling trucks 8x6 with 7 roll of containers*
• 2 tractors and 4 trailers*

Combat Readiness and Survivability​

• 84,000 rounds ammunition 40mm*
• 95 assault rifles MK 556*
• 39 CR 308
• 1.2 million rounds of ammunition for fire arms*
• 3.420 anti-tank mines PARM*
• 16 precision rifles HLR 338*
• 11,000 man-portable anti-tank weapons*
• 2 dental sterilizers
• continuing deliveries of medical material*

 

[ThisIsMe]

How long do we want this war to last? At this rate, we'll be tied up with this for several more years. Then only way to end it is deterrence. Supply ukraine with nukes, to be a deterrent against Russia, and call it a day.

That should solve the problem.

 

[Kruska]

How long do we want this war to last? At this rate, we'll be tied up with this for several more years. Then only way to end it is deterrence. Supply ukraine with nukes, to be a deterrent against Russia, and call it a day.

That should solve the problem.

If the USA would still stand to it's commitment from 1949 - to GUARANTEE the nuclear umbrella for Europe (NATO) we wouldn't even have this discussion with Putin - since his REMAINING mediocre conventional forces cant change the fact of his Army stuck in Ukraine.

Simply the US stating, that upon Russia attacking Ukraine - Ukraine will automatically become a NATO member would deter Putin from any further ambition towards Ukraine. As simple as that - FACT.

 

[ThisIsMe]

If the USA would still stand to it's commitment from 1949 - to GUARANTEE the nuclear umbrella for Europe (NATO) we wouldn't even have this discussion with Putin - since his REMAINING mediocre conventional forces cant change the fact of his Army stuck in Ukraine.

Simply the US stating, that upon Russia attacking Ukraine - Ukraine will automatically become a NATO member would deter Putin from any further ambition towards Ukraine. As simple as that - FACT.

They need to do something. We're 36T in debt, spending money on a prolonged war is not what we need, and not something we can afford.

Give them nukes or make them nato...but another 3 to 5 years of supporting a war is not what we need. The goal of war should be to end war, not feed it..

 

[Sunni Man]

Our beloved Pres.Trump doesn't lie.
He is honest and truthful
Trump is the modern day George Washington.

 

[Kruska]

They need to do something. We're 36T in debt, spending money on a prolonged war is not what we need, and not something we can afford.

Give them nukes or make them nato...but another 3 to 5 years of supporting a war is not what we need. The goal of war should be to end war, not feed it..

No, neither Europe nor the USA want another nuclear wielding state around.
No - making Ukraine presently a NATO member will IMO cause Putin to lob some tactical nukes onto Ukraine.

Simply stating that Ukraine will automatically become a NATO member if.... - factually doesn't cost anything.

As a side note - refraining from the 2nd Iraq war and Afghanistan - not to mention Trumps additional 7 Trillion debt in his first stint and the US state debt would "only" have been around US$ 18 Trillion, when Biden took over in 2021.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Trump has repeatedly stated that America as spent 350 billion on aid to Ukraine. Also the side lie of that we have spent 200 billion more than Europe.

The facts.

How much has the US given to Ukraine?


Not even close.

Trump will of course continue to tell this lie.

And Trump’s equally dishonest and reprehensible supporters will defend his lies.

 

[Independent thinker]

Trump has repeatedly stated that America as spent 350 billion on aid to Ukraine. Also the side lie of that we have spent 200 billion more than Europe.

The facts.

How much has the US given to Ukraine?


Not even close.

You mean compared to all of the lies you post on here day in and day out?

 

[JimH52]

Trump will of course continue to tell this lie.

And Trump’s equally dishonest and reprehensible supporters will defend his lies.

Exactly! Is trump that demented or does he think if he keeps telling that lie, it will come true?

 

[ThisIsMe]

No, neither Europe nor the USA want another nuclear wielding state around.
No - making Ukraine presently a NATO member will IMO cause Putin to lob some tactical nukes onto Ukraine.

Simply stating that Ukraine will automatically become a NATO member if.... - factually doesn't cost anything.

As a side note - refraining from the 2nd Iraq war and Afghanistan - not to mention Trumps additional 7 Trillion debt in his first stint and the US state debt would "only" have been around US$ 18 Trillion, when Biden took over in 2021.

Well, we can't just prolong the war by endlessly feeding them cash and weapons

 

[otto105]

How long do we want this war to last? At this rate, we'll be tied up with this for several more years. Then only way to end it is deterrence. Supply ukraine with nukes, to be a deterrent against Russia, and call it a day.

That should solve the problem.

How is it “we”?

Can somebody ask dear leader to pose that question to pootin.