OK, This is Finally Starting to Make Some Sense

[JimBowie1958]

From the geniuses at Zerohedge.

Throw Huma Under The Bus? | Zero Hedge

He scores a solid and massive point that looks as damning for the FBI itself (or at least the superiors), as it does for Hillary Clinton. It is, in that regard, perhaps telling that one of the alleged reasons whispered for FBI director Jim Comey to come forward on Friday is that he feared details of the probe would otherwise be leaked to the press.

Sperry’s point: the emails that are at the center of Friday’s announcement that Hillary Clinton ‘s entire email server investigation will be re-opened -whether formally or not is moot-, were obtained by seizing devices from Anthony Weiner in relation him sexting to a 15-year old girl.

And seizing devices was exactly what was never done in Hillary’s case, though “agents assigned to that case knew Abedin hoarded classified emails on her electronic devices.” They were seized neither from Hillary nor from her closest aide Huma Abedin, who now probably- and probably rightly- fears that she may be thrown under the bus at the first convenient moment.

Hillary doesn’t appear to know what exactly is on the Weiner/Abedin device, but her staff is undoubtedly preparing a defense based on Hillary denying she knew anything about what emails Huma kept and/or sent. Such a defense may well be useless, depending on the contents of the mails. But by now it’s full blown panic danger control in the campaign.

While at the FBI the mood may now be that a second consecutive investigation that would end in a second consecutive ‘dismissal’ would be unacceptable to -a lot of- agents. Something Comey is undoubtedly painfully aware of. His ‘own people’ may have given him an ultimatum: either you do it right this time, or we will.

A few bits from Paul Sperry’s piece:

On page 3 of their 11-page report, the agents detail how they showed Abedin a classified paper on Pakistan sent from a State Department source which she, in turn, inexplicably forwarded to her personal Yahoo email account — an obviously unclassified, unencrypted, unsecured and unauthorized system. The breach of security was not an isolated event but a common practice with Abedin.​

This is one of those things that Hillary will likely try to plead innocence on. Not that that should be good enough: the server, illegal as it may have been, was still her responsibility. That either she herself or Abedin would play fast and loose with the confidentiality and classification of the material involved, on top of using a server whose very existence played fast and loose with the law, is the kind of thing that disqualifies her from public office, let alone the presidency.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Also, the group Anonymous (or someone using their account on 4Chan) was claiming back in September that they had these emails and would release them with or without the FBI's cooperation.

BREAKING: ANONYMOUS HANDS The FBI HILLARY’s 33,000 MISSING EMAILS As COMEY REOPENS HER CASE

Director Comey indicated that his team came across new information concerning the emails late Thursday evening. The director says he “agreed that the FBI should take appropriate investigative steps.”

The emails did not randomly appear out of nowhere and into the FBI’s headquarters.

It is being reported that the FBI received the emails from the hacking group Anonymous. About a month ago, the group released a statement on 4CHAN, indicating that they had a major surprise coming towards the end of October....

Now, many things on this list have yet to occur, but these hackers have delivered on their promises so far. The hackers are arguing that we will receive the emails by November 1, which makes sense.

The hacking group Anonymous leaked these emails to the FBI in order to reopen the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server.

The goal would be to then release more information to the FBI now that they have an open investigation. The group also indicates that they have ownership of Hillary’s 33,000 deleted emails and will be releasing those soon, as well.

As the hacker states in the above chat, “we are purposely holding them back so that the Democratic Party does not have time to replace Hillary Clinton.”

Now here is the whole sphincter clenching seriously bad point driving the Clintonistas mad in Hillary's camp; WE HAVE NOT YET SEEN THE WORST OF THE EMAILS AS OF YET. THE BEST IS STILL YET TO COME!

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

From the geniuses at Zerohedge.

Throw Huma Under The Bus? | Zero Hedge

He scores a solid and massive point that looks as damning for the FBI itself (or at least the superiors), as it does for Hillary Clinton. It is, in that regard, perhaps telling that one of the alleged reasons whispered for FBI director Jim Comey to come forward on Friday is that he feared details of the probe would otherwise be leaked to the press.

Sperry’s point: the emails that are at the center of Friday’s announcement that Hillary Clinton ‘s entire email server investigation will be re-opened -whether formally or not is moot-, were obtained by seizing devices from Anthony Weiner in relation him sexting to a 15-year old girl.

And seizing devices was exactly what was never done in Hillary’s case, though “agents assigned to that case knew Abedin hoarded classified emails on her electronic devices.” They were seized neither from Hillary nor from her closest aide Huma Abedin, who now probably- and probably rightly- fears that she may be thrown under the bus at the first convenient moment.

Hillary doesn’t appear to know what exactly is on the Weiner/Abedin device, but her staff is undoubtedly preparing a defense based on Hillary denying she knew anything about what emails Huma kept and/or sent. Such a defense may well be useless, depending on the contents of the mails. But by now it’s full blown panic danger control in the campaign.

While at the FBI the mood may now be that a second consecutive investigation that would end in a second consecutive ‘dismissal’ would be unacceptable to -a lot of- agents. Something Comey is undoubtedly painfully aware of. His ‘own people’ may have given him an ultimatum: either you do it right this time, or we will.

A few bits from Paul Sperry’s piece:

On page 3 of their 11-page report, the agents detail how they showed Abedin a classified paper on Pakistan sent from a State Department source which she, in turn, inexplicably forwarded to her personal Yahoo email account — an obviously unclassified, unencrypted, unsecured and unauthorized system. The breach of security was not an isolated event but a common practice with Abedin.​

This is one of those things that Hillary will likely try to plead innocence on. Not that that should be good enough: the server, illegal as it may have been, was still her responsibility. That either she herself or Abedin would play fast and loose with the confidentiality and classification of the material involved, on top of using a server whose very existence played fast and loose with the law, is the kind of thing that disqualifies her from public office, let alone the presidency.

Read this Jim:
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[Billy000]

From the geniuses at Zerohedge.

Throw Huma Under The Bus? | Zero Hedge

He scores a solid and massive point that looks as damning for the FBI itself (or at least the superiors), as it does for Hillary Clinton. It is, in that regard, perhaps telling that one of the alleged reasons whispered for FBI director Jim Comey to come forward on Friday is that he feared details of the probe would otherwise be leaked to the press.

Sperry’s point: the emails that are at the center of Friday’s announcement that Hillary Clinton ‘s entire email server investigation will be re-opened -whether formally or not is moot-, were obtained by seizing devices from Anthony Weiner in relation him sexting to a 15-year old girl.

And seizing devices was exactly what was never done in Hillary’s case, though “agents assigned to that case knew Abedin hoarded classified emails on her electronic devices.” They were seized neither from Hillary nor from her closest aide Huma Abedin, who now probably- and probably rightly- fears that she may be thrown under the bus at the first convenient moment.

Hillary doesn’t appear to know what exactly is on the Weiner/Abedin device, but her staff is undoubtedly preparing a defense based on Hillary denying she knew anything about what emails Huma kept and/or sent. Such a defense may well be useless, depending on the contents of the mails. But by now it’s full blown panic danger control in the campaign.

While at the FBI the mood may now be that a second consecutive investigation that would end in a second consecutive ‘dismissal’ would be unacceptable to -a lot of- agents. Something Comey is undoubtedly painfully aware of. His ‘own people’ may have given him an ultimatum: either you do it right this time, or we will.

A few bits from Paul Sperry’s piece:

On page 3 of their 11-page report, the agents detail how they showed Abedin a classified paper on Pakistan sent from a State Department source which she, in turn, inexplicably forwarded to her personal Yahoo email account — an obviously unclassified, unencrypted, unsecured and unauthorized system. The breach of security was not an isolated event but a common practice with Abedin.​

This is one of those things that Hillary will likely try to plead innocence on. Not that that should be good enough: the server, illegal as it may have been, was still her responsibility. That either she herself or Abedin would play fast and loose with the confidentiality and classification of the material involved, on top of using a server whose very existence played fast and loose with the law, is the kind of thing that disqualifies her from public office, let alone the presidency.

Your avatar is so fucking nauseating that it makes me want to vomit all over my keyboard.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

From the geniuses at Zerohedge.

Throw Huma Under The Bus? | Zero Hedge

He scores a solid and massive point that looks as damning for the FBI itself (or at least the superiors), as it does for Hillary Clinton. It is, in that regard, perhaps telling that one of the alleged reasons whispered for FBI director Jim Comey to come forward on Friday is that he feared details of the probe would otherwise be leaked to the press.

Sperry’s point: the emails that are at the center of Friday’s announcement that Hillary Clinton ‘s entire email server investigation will be re-opened -whether formally or not is moot-, were obtained by seizing devices from Anthony Weiner in relation him sexting to a 15-year old girl.

And seizing devices was exactly what was never done in Hillary’s case, though “agents assigned to that case knew Abedin hoarded classified emails on her electronic devices.” They were seized neither from Hillary nor from her closest aide Huma Abedin, who now probably- and probably rightly- fears that she may be thrown under the bus at the first convenient moment.

Hillary doesn’t appear to know what exactly is on the Weiner/Abedin device, but her staff is undoubtedly preparing a defense based on Hillary denying she knew anything about what emails Huma kept and/or sent. Such a defense may well be useless, depending on the contents of the mails. But by now it’s full blown panic danger control in the campaign.

While at the FBI the mood may now be that a second consecutive investigation that would end in a second consecutive ‘dismissal’ would be unacceptable to -a lot of- agents. Something Comey is undoubtedly painfully aware of. His ‘own people’ may have given him an ultimatum: either you do it right this time, or we will.

A few bits from Paul Sperry’s piece:

On page 3 of their 11-page report, the agents detail how they showed Abedin a classified paper on Pakistan sent from a State Department source which she, in turn, inexplicably forwarded to her personal Yahoo email account — an obviously unclassified, unencrypted, unsecured and unauthorized system. The breach of security was not an isolated event but a common practice with Abedin.​

This is one of those things that Hillary will likely try to plead innocence on. Not that that should be good enough: the server, illegal as it may have been, was still her responsibility. That either she herself or Abedin would play fast and loose with the confidentiality and classification of the material involved, on top of using a server whose very existence played fast and loose with the law, is the kind of thing that disqualifies her from public office, let alone the presidency.

Your avatar is so fucking nauseating that it makes me want to vomit all over my keyboard.

Answer your threads before complaining you stupid wanker!

 

[Indeependent]

From the geniuses at Zerohedge.

Throw Huma Under The Bus? | Zero Hedge

He scores a solid and massive point that looks as damning for the FBI itself (or at least the superiors), as it does for Hillary Clinton. It is, in that regard, perhaps telling that one of the alleged reasons whispered for FBI director Jim Comey to come forward on Friday is that he feared details of the probe would otherwise be leaked to the press.

Sperry’s point: the emails that are at the center of Friday’s announcement that Hillary Clinton ‘s entire email server investigation will be re-opened -whether formally or not is moot-, were obtained by seizing devices from Anthony Weiner in relation him sexting to a 15-year old girl.

And seizing devices was exactly what was never done in Hillary’s case, though “agents assigned to that case knew Abedin hoarded classified emails on her electronic devices.” They were seized neither from Hillary nor from her closest aide Huma Abedin, who now probably- and probably rightly- fears that she may be thrown under the bus at the first convenient moment.

Hillary doesn’t appear to know what exactly is on the Weiner/Abedin device, but her staff is undoubtedly preparing a defense based on Hillary denying she knew anything about what emails Huma kept and/or sent. Such a defense may well be useless, depending on the contents of the mails. But by now it’s full blown panic danger control in the campaign.

While at the FBI the mood may now be that a second consecutive investigation that would end in a second consecutive ‘dismissal’ would be unacceptable to -a lot of- agents. Something Comey is undoubtedly painfully aware of. His ‘own people’ may have given him an ultimatum: either you do it right this time, or we will.

A few bits from Paul Sperry’s piece:

On page 3 of their 11-page report, the agents detail how they showed Abedin a classified paper on Pakistan sent from a State Department source which she, in turn, inexplicably forwarded to her personal Yahoo email account — an obviously unclassified, unencrypted, unsecured and unauthorized system. The breach of security was not an isolated event but a common practice with Abedin.​

This is one of those things that Hillary will likely try to plead innocence on. Not that that should be good enough: the server, illegal as it may have been, was still her responsibility. That either she herself or Abedin would play fast and loose with the confidentiality and classification of the material involved, on top of using a server whose very existence played fast and loose with the law, is the kind of thing that disqualifies her from public office, let alone the presidency.

Your avatar is so fucking nauseating that it makes me want to vomit all over my keyboard.

Let's us know how the clean up goes.

 

[320 Years of History]

looks as damning for the FBI itself (or at least the superiors), as it does for Hillary Clinton.

Hardly. The FBI's future does not depend on who wins the election. It's going to "be there" and serving the American people no matter who wins.

the server, illegal as it may have been

The server was not itself illegal. That Mrs. Clinton used a personal server was not an illegal act. That Mrs. Clinton sent/received classified information via the server is an illegal act (actus rea); however, it's not criminally prosecutable (that is, she's not criminally culpable) under Section 793(f) until there is found convincing (in a courtroom, not in the "court of public opinion") evidence that she intended (mens rea) to circumvent/violate the provisions of 793(f) and using a personal email server/account was the means by which she sought to act upon that intent.

If a person steps (unintentionally) in front of your car that you were driving at a speed in excess of the posted speed limit, are you criminally culpable because you were speeding when the calamity happened? No, of course not, even though you clearly had wanton disregard for at least one law. Did you in fact kill the person? Yes. Is killing a person a crime? Yes. Are you criminally culpable because you killed the person? No. You are not because you had no intention of killing them. That's just one illustration of how actus rea and mens rea work in our jurisprudential system, and while that example is an extreme one, the concepts are applied to matters great and small.

As for the email(s) that has (have) come to light most recently, well, it/they may or may not provide convincing (to a criminal trial standard, not that needed in the "court of public opinion") evidence of intent. If it does, then fine, by all means, Mrs. Clinton should be charged. Do I get to make the decision about what constitutes "convincing evidence?" No, neither do the millions of other folks who follow the matter.

I am of a similar mind about whether Donald Trump should be (or should have been) charged with third degree sexual assault which, unlike 793(f) violations (per SCOTUS' Gorin decision), is a strict liability crime. It's very hard for me to conceive that he knows/knew he could, unbidden, kiss and/or grope women's genitals (sexually assault them) without his at least having done so on multiple occasions. All the same, though I personally would just as soon see him charged for that, I have not advocated that he actually be charged. The only reason I have not done so is because what's come out in public doesn't go beyond the level of "common sense" reasoning I just shared. That line of reasoning, however sensible it be, is not going to stand up in a criminal trial. The same is apparently, based on Dir. Comey's July 2016 remarks, so of what the FBI found on Mrs. Clinton's server.

 

[320 Years of History]

From the geniuses at Zerohedge.

Throw Huma Under The Bus? | Zero Hedge

He scores a solid and massive point that looks as damning for the FBI itself (or at least the superiors), as it does for Hillary Clinton. It is, in that regard, perhaps telling that one of the alleged reasons whispered for FBI director Jim Comey to come forward on Friday is that he feared details of the probe would otherwise be leaked to the press.

Sperry’s point: the emails that are at the center of Friday’s announcement that Hillary Clinton ‘s entire email server investigation will be re-opened -whether formally or not is moot-, were obtained by seizing devices from Anthony Weiner in relation him sexting to a 15-year old girl.

And seizing devices was exactly what was never done in Hillary’s case, though “agents assigned to that case knew Abedin hoarded classified emails on her electronic devices.” They were seized neither from Hillary nor from her closest aide Huma Abedin, who now probably- and probably rightly- fears that she may be thrown under the bus at the first convenient moment.

Hillary doesn’t appear to know what exactly is on the Weiner/Abedin device, but her staff is undoubtedly preparing a defense based on Hillary denying she knew anything about what emails Huma kept and/or sent. Such a defense may well be useless, depending on the contents of the mails. But by now it’s full blown panic danger control in the campaign.

While at the FBI the mood may now be that a second consecutive investigation that would end in a second consecutive ‘dismissal’ would be unacceptable to -a lot of- agents. Something Comey is undoubtedly painfully aware of. His ‘own people’ may have given him an ultimatum: either you do it right this time, or we will.

A few bits from Paul Sperry’s piece:

On page 3 of their 11-page report, the agents detail how they showed Abedin a classified paper on Pakistan sent from a State Department source which she, in turn, inexplicably forwarded to her personal Yahoo email account — an obviously unclassified, unencrypted, unsecured and unauthorized system. The breach of security was not an isolated event but a common practice with Abedin.​

This is one of those things that Hillary will likely try to plead innocence on. Not that that should be good enough: the server, illegal as it may have been, was still her responsibility. That either she herself or Abedin would play fast and loose with the confidentiality and classification of the material involved, on top of using a server whose very existence played fast and loose with the law, is the kind of thing that disqualifies her from public office, let alone the presidency.

Your avatar is so fucking nauseating that it makes me want to vomit all over my keyboard.

Is it clear to you that his avatar is anything other than a graphical sardonic expression of how he perceives Donald Trump? It's certainly not clear to me. The avatar strikes me as ambiguous in nature insofar as the image of "commander Trump" could be taken in multiple ways. I don't know of JimBowie1958's having articulated his intent for using the avatar he does.

 

[Billy000]

Um he is definitely a legit Trump supporter.

 

[Ozone]

Is it clear to you that his avatar is anything other than a graphical sardonic expression of how he perceives Donald Trump? It's certainly not clear to me. The avatar strikes me as ambiguous in nature insofar as the image of "commander Trump" could be taken in multiple ways. I don't know of JimBowie1958's having articulated his intent for using the avatar he does.

 

[320 Years of History]

Is it clear to you that his avatar is anything other than a graphical sardonic expression of how he perceives Donald Trump? It's certainly not clear to me. The avatar strikes me as ambiguous in nature insofar as the image of "commander Trump" could be taken in multiple ways. I don't know of JimBowie1958's having articulated his intent for using the avatar he does.

That image conveys the same ambiguity as does JimBowie1958's avatar image. I'm not sure what to make of that image for it's not clear to me just what angel Trump is being equated to. IIRC from my art history classes:

• Red/coppery tones --> Alludes to Gabriel
• Sword --> Alludes to Uriel, although it's in the wrong hand as Uriel was, in classical imagery, dextral.
• Warrior's garb --> Alludes to Michael
• Green tones --> Alludes to Raphael

Christianity is big on the "three for one" deal, but I'm not aware of that applying to archangels.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Your avatar is so fucking nauseating that it makes me want to vomit all over my keyboard.

Grrrrrreat! Glad to hear it!

 

[Ozone]

 

[JimBowie1958]

Is it clear to you that his avatar is anything other than a graphical sardonic expression of how he perceives Donald Trump? It's certainly not clear to me. The avatar strikes me as ambiguous in nature insofar as the image of "commander Trump" could be taken in multiple ways. I don't know of JimBowie1958's having articulated his intent for using the avatar he does.

It is kind of a joke, but I do admire many of the mans traits. While I can think of about five people I would have preferred over Trump (Paul, Webb, Sanders, Cruz, and Carson) I want someone right now who will "drain the swamp".

I also like the revulsion it presumably inflicts on libtards.

Yes, I am that petty.

 

[JimBowie1958]

That image conveys the same ambiguity as does JimBowie1958's avatar image. I'm not sure what to make of that image for it's not clear to me just what angel Trump is being equated to. IIRC from my art history classes:

• Red/coppery tones --> Alludes to Gabriel
• Sword --> Alludes to Uriel, although it's in the wrong hand as Uriel was, in classical imagery, dextral.
• Warrior's garb --> Alludes to Michael
• Green tones --> Alludes to Raphael

Christianity is big on the "three for one" deal, but I'm not aware of that applying to archangels.

I took it as a morphological comparison to Michael and the Lake of Fire.

 

[320 Years of History]

Um he is definitely a legit Trump supporter.

Well, that just goes to show how different folks take different things from imagery. Jim's avatar evokes Napoleon for me, and that tyrant is among the last folks whose memory and bearing I'd deliberately evoke were I keen on Trump.

Whether or not Napoleon saved or suppressed the progress made from the French Revolution is debatable. If his ego and personal agenda had not overtaken him, he may very well have been one of France’s greatest revolutionary leaders ever (in sustaining its principles that is). In the end, Napoleon was regarded by most all of Europe as a dictator and tyrant. It is hard to say he aided revolutionary idea progress when he himself abolished many of its principles and reestablished a monarchy himself.

 

[JimBowie1958]

looks as damning for the FBI itself (or at least the superiors), as it does for Hillary Clinton.

Hardly. The FBI's future does not depend on who wins the election. It's going to "be there" and serving the American people no matter who wins.

That is presumptive. Many institutions have a long held contempt for them by the public, like the ATFE. And just as that inglorious institution might one day be defunded and cannibalized, the same could happen to the FBI if its reputation gets similarly dismantled by scandal and contempt.

the server, illegal as it may have been

The server was not itself illegal. That Mrs. Clinton used a personal server was not an illegal act. That Mrs. Clinton sent/received classified information via the server is an illegal act (actus rea); however, it's not criminally prosecutable (that is, she's not criminally culpable) under Section 793(f) until there is found convincing (in a courtroom, not in the "court of public opinion") evidence that she intended (mens rea) to circumvent/violate the provisions of 793(f) and using a personal email server/account was the means by which she sought to act upon that intent.

The crime of NEGLIGENT Handling of Classified Material does NOT require intent, dude. That is the whole thing about negligence.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Um he is definitely a legit Trump supporter.

Well, that just goes to show how different folks take different things from imagery. Jim's avatar evokes Napoleon for me, and that tyrant is among the last folks whose memory and bearing I'd deliberately evoke were I keen on Trump.

Whether or not Napoleon saved or suppressed the progress made from the French Revolution is debatable. If his ego and personal agenda had not overtaken him, he may very well have been one of France’s greatest revolutionary leaders ever (in sustaining its principles that is). In the end, Napoleon was regarded by most all of Europe as a dictator and tyrant. It is hard to say he aided revolutionary idea progress when he himself abolished many of its principles and reestablished a monarchy himself.

Had Napoleon been a little more humble and like George Washington, the history of Europe would have been completely different, hence my contempt for historical determinism.

 

[320 Years of History]

I can think of about five people I would have preferred over Trump (Paul, Webb, Sanders, Cruz, and Carson) I want someone right now who will "drain the swamp".

Frankly, I can think of five housepets I'd sooner elect to the U.S. Presidency.

I don't mind "draining the swamp," but filling it with "different water" still gives one a swamp and when one builds something on swampland, the "reclaimed" land is nonetheless prone to being filled with "bad water" and the structures there have to continually monitored for leaks, cracks, shifting and sinking.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I can think of about five people I would have preferred over Trump (Paul, Webb, Sanders, Cruz, and Carson) I want someone right now who will "drain the swamp".

Frankly, I can think of five housepets I'd sooner elect to the U.S. Presidency.

I don't mind "draining the swamp," but filling it with "different water" still gives one a swamp and when one builds something on swampland, the "reclaimed" land is nonetheless prone to being filled with "bad water" and the structures there have to continually monitored for leaks, cracks, shifting and sinking.

Unless you fill it all in with rip rap stone, gravel, sand and finally good ole dirt.