Ok libs, one link to one item gwb de regulated

[grunt11b]

A few days after the Supreme Court made George W. Bush president in 2000, Gramm stuck something called the Commodity Futures Modernization Act into the budget bill. Nobody knew that the Texas senator was slipping America a 262 page poison pill. The Gramm Guts America Act was designed to keep regulators from controlling new financial tools described as credit "swaps." These are instruments like sub-prime mortgages bundled up and sold as securities. Under the Gramm law, neither the SEC nor the Commodities Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) were able to examine financial institutions like hedge funds or investment banks to guarantee they had the assets necessary to cover losses they were guaranteeing.

James Moore: A Nation of Village Idiots

skynet did you use the year 2000?
let me add this
Sarbanes

tell me how SOX affected derivatives and credit swaps?

 

[JRK]

Tell me about the oversite under the entire republican government we had for years?

I would rather have no oversite than complete oversite. I dont need uncle sam watching my every move and coddling my every need.

Tell me all the investigations congress did into matters that they were tasked to deal with by their elections?

Dont even go there, congress is also tasked to make sure that presidential nominees are qualified to be president too, but none of that was done in 2008 was it? Congress is also tasked with passing a budget plan, which the democrat congress of 2010 failed to do and instead left the hard decisions on the GOP to deal with because the decisions would be unpopular.

Truth matters what are you asking?
Oversight?
The democratic congress is in a sad state of affairs. The comment about being gutless is so true
They fear Obama and it cost a bunch of them there jobs

 

[grunt11b]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/171179-ok-libs-one-link-to-one-item-gwb-de-regulated-3.html

Executive Summary

Civil rights remains the unfinished business of America. Yet progress in the nation’s historic march toward equality has slowed over the first two years of the Bush administration. This report catalogues the ways in which the administration has reversed longstanding civil rights policies and has impeded civil rights progress.

Anytime you see the word "progress", either coming from the right or the left, run away as fast as you can. It's code for Socialism. I agree, Bush did make his mistakes and he was by no means perfect, but he was nothing compared to what we have seen since 2008. Obama,Pelosi and Reid and Biden and the rest of the progressives "Both right and left" exposed themselves fully from 2008 to 2010, and if that didn't scare people in their districts god help us all.

 

[Skynet]

The President is a dictator? Damn, I did not know that.

Idiot.

its called Executive Order...... Bush used it many times. You asked for something he deregulated and I complied. thanks for showing your ignorance.

Executive order is code word for "Dictate". Bush was not a perfect president, we all know that, but at least he did not use his power as the executive to harm this country in ways that is being done now.
And on a side note, I am all for deregulation, complete deregulation would be best. It is not up to the government to meddle in private business or banks or to choose winners and losers. Only a fascist dictatorial government does these things.

yeah regulation is bad for everything. that why we shouldnt regulate food, drugs, air quality, traffic, education, financial markets, health care or anything else. if someone gets hurt, sick, dies, loses all their money or is denied access, no one should be there to set a minimum standard and protect the welfare of the general public. lets go to a pure capitalist society where the all might dollar rules and if you dont have any, you have no say in how the world works...

 

[grunt11b]

Thats an opinion
no facts
no legislation
no signed into law bill

try again

It's a liberal 'thought provider'.... that's what the liberal sites do - they provide the left with their thoughts - that's why so few leftists can think for themselves.... they don't use their brains.

"Largest Theft Of Funds
In National History"​

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It's funny you mention that being that there is still about $400,000,000,000 missing from the stimulus bill.

 

[grunt11b]

Thats an opinion
no facts
no legislation
no signed into law bill

try again

It's a liberal 'thought provider'.... that's what the liberal sites do - they provide the left with their thoughts - that's why so few leftists can think for themselves.... they don't use their brains.

This is rich, considering how the right are so manipulated by Faux News, Rush, etc.

I'd say more on the right base their opinions on known facts that they have found out by paying attention to what is going on, and who is or is not doing this or that, not on any news networks, I know that I only watch fox news once in a great while, maybe once a week for an hour or so, the rest I pick up from giving a damn enough to pay attention to what is happening to our beloved country and who is harming it and who is trying to help it.

 

[grunt11b]

they just ignore everything you give them.

they pretend it never happened.

If it's not a credible source of course we do, we don't drink the koolaid like you do. I am neither in favor of GOP or Democrats right now, so I could care less about the party lines. What I do care about is conserving this countries liberties and laws, which is being attacked by progressives right now in both parties. Although I normally vote Republican, I wont vote for one who is a progressive, and that is the difference between you and I, I am willing to vote outside my party for a more conservative candidate or not vote at all, you will vote the "D" everytime because you don't care how much damage comes to this country and our liberties and laws as long as the "D" wins. You slurp up the koolaid on those partisan sites and assume that it is all fact, when in fact by looking who writes the op-eds and who funds the sites themselves you would have to be an idiot not to know it's partisan bullshit at best.

How does your opinion of the source as credible change the information from fact to fiction? Can you find something in one of the links that they purport to be fact that isn't a fact?

I dont see anything in any of the links other than Claims/accusations with no law backing any of them. If I said Weiner was responsible for molesting 5 children and put it on a partisan website does that automatically make it true? Of course it doesn't.

 

[grunt11b]

its called Executive Order...... Bush used it many times. You asked for something he deregulated and I complied. thanks for showing your ignorance.

Executive order is code word for "Dictate". Bush was not a perfect president, we all know that, but at least he did not use his power as the executive to harm this country in ways that is being done now.
And on a side note, I am all for deregulation, complete deregulation would be best. It is not up to the government to meddle in private business or banks or to choose winners and losers. Only a fascist dictatorial government does these things.

yeah regulation is bad for everything. that why we shouldnt regulate food, drugs, air quality, traffic, education, financial markets, health care or anything else. if someone gets hurt, sick, dies, loses all their money or is denied access, no one should be there to set a minimum standard and protect the welfare of the general public. lets go to a pure capitalist society where the all might dollar rules and if you dont have any, you have no say in how the world works...

Yes, god forbid man be left to his own device. I can agree with food regulation for health reasons, drug regulations because they should do what the company says it does, the whole air quality is bullshit, and leftist bullshit at best, there is no scientific proof whatsoever that man made emissions have a negative effect on our atmosphere. If someone get's hurt or sick or loses all of their money it's their own responsibility to have made the right choices in planning for such an event, not governments. As far as protecting the publics welfare, it's already being done at the local level through local law enforcement and other local means "Charities, shelters etc.". It's not up to Big brother to care for your every need, or to make sure you get what you want in life, it's up to the individual to blaze their own path and make life what they want to make of it and either reap the rewards of their efforts or live a life of poverty because of their efforts.

"A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have...." --Thomas Jefferson.

 

[Skynet]

Executive order is code word for "Dictate". Bush was not a perfect president, we all know that, but at least he did not use his power as the executive to harm this country in ways that is being done now.
And on a side note, I am all for deregulation, complete deregulation would be best. It is not up to the government to meddle in private business or banks or to choose winners and losers. Only a fascist dictatorial government does these things.

yeah regulation is bad for everything. that why we shouldnt regulate food, drugs, air quality, traffic, education, financial markets, health care or anything else. if someone gets hurt, sick, dies, loses all their money or is denied access, no one should be there to set a minimum standard and protect the welfare of the general public. lets go to a pure capitalist society where the all might dollar rules and if you dont have any, you have no say in how the world works...

Yes, god forbid man be left to his own device. I can agree with food regulation for health reasons, drug regulations because they should do what the company says it does, the whole air quality is bullshit, and leftist bullshit at best, there is no scientific proof whatsoever that man made emissions have a negative effect on our atmosphere. If someone get's hurt or sick or loses all of their money it's their own responsibility to have made the right choices in planning for such an event, not governments. As far as protecting the publics welfare, it's already being done at the local level through local law enforcement and other local means "Charities, shelters etc.". It's not up to Big brother to care for your every need, or to make sure you get what you want in life, it's up to the individual to blaze their own path and make life what they want to make of it and either reap the rewards of their efforts or live a life of poverty because of their efforts.

"A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have...." --Thomas Jefferson.

Your exact words "And on a side note, I am all for deregulation, complete deregulation would be best.",

now youre saying you favor some regulation...... you can't have it both ways. ill pick your argument apart very easily now.

You have obviously never been to Los Angeles or Houston and experienced bad air quality days, otherwise you would understand the need to regulate it. there have been plenty of scientific studies done by reputable sources that can prove this, you just wont accept their argument. here's a few from NASA: Climate Change: Evidence
NASA GISS: Science Briefs: Interaction of Ozone and Sulfate in Air Pollution and Climate Change

i will relate your next comment to the recent financial collapse. your exact words: " If someone get's hurt or sick or loses all of their money it's their own responsibility to have made the right choices in planning for such an event, not governments."

so when someone gets hurt in an on the job accident that is no fault of their own, and the insurance company wont pay, they are shit out of luck because they made a bad choice? and what choice is that? to have a job??? what about when america had their money invested in thier IRA's and 401(k)s and the market crashed because of the greed on wall street? was the average person suppose to know this? what bad choice did they make here? to invest their money instead of put it under a mattress?

if you dont want to be part of the social system, then leave. I wasnt of voting age when they established SS, Medicare or Medicaid, but i still have to pay into them, and i see my parents and grandparents dependent on them. in their day and age they were raised to think that these programs would be around to support them in the retirement years. so lets take that promise away. i already know and understand i will never be able to benefit from these programs, but i sure as hell am not willing to toss millions of individuals out on the street.

and then you talk about the local welfare, well if you actually understood everything the government provides, then you might think differently. lets see, how about national parks, the interstate highway system, the Military, the FBI, DEA, Border Security, social security, medicare, medicaid, and on and on and on. we are not a collection of sovereign states acting together for the benefit of commerce like the EU. if you remember your history back to the Civil War, one of the overriding factors that led to war (outside of slavery) was that the south favored states having more power than the fed, while the north wanted a strong central government. when the north won, this ideology won out, and has been the case ever since. recent interpretation of the commerce clause give the fed to regulate interstate commerce on basically any level. that even coming from a conservative court. thus by the power granted by the courts they can regulate anything that crosses state lines, being we are in such a global economy now, that ends up meaning just about everything.

 

[California Girl]

Thats an opinion
no facts
no legislation
no signed into law bill

try again

It's a liberal 'thought provider'.... that's what the liberal sites do - they provide the left with their thoughts - that's why so few leftists can think for themselves.... they don't use their brains.

This is rich, considering how the right are so manipulated by Faux News, Rush, etc.

Firstly, there is no need for the attention seeking bold text. We're all grown ups (at least theoretically) here so we read what we want to read.

More importantly, the 'right' do not necessarily watch Fox or listen to Rush. I know this because I don't. I form my own opinions... unlike you.

 

[Nic_Driver]

If it's not a credible source of course we do, we don't drink the koolaid like you do. I am neither in favor of GOP or Democrats right now, so I could care less about the party lines. What I do care about is conserving this countries liberties and laws, which is being attacked by progressives right now in both parties. Although I normally vote Republican, I wont vote for one who is a progressive, and that is the difference between you and I, I am willing to vote outside my party for a more conservative candidate or not vote at all, you will vote the "D" everytime because you don't care how much damage comes to this country and our liberties and laws as long as the "D" wins. You slurp up the koolaid on those partisan sites and assume that it is all fact, when in fact by looking who writes the op-eds and who funds the sites themselves you would have to be an idiot not to know it's partisan bullshit at best.

How does your opinion of the source as credible change the information from fact to fiction? Can you find something in one of the links that they purport to be fact that isn't a fact?

I dont see anything in any of the links other than Claims/accusations with no law backing any of them. If I said Weiner was responsible for molesting 5 children and put it on a partisan website does that automatically make it true? Of course it doesn't.

Are you trying?

Agency: Department of Labor
Formal Name: Amendments to the Fair Labor Standards Act
At Issue: The Department of Labor seeks to update regulations related to the Fair Labor Standards Act, which establishes standards for minimum wage, overtime pay, maximum work hours, etc. Some of the regulation has become outdated due to recent legislation and court decisions; this new rule aims to reflect those changes, including changes to the minimum wage and to exemptions from minimum-wage requirements.
RIN: 1215-AB13

A direct attack on labor and the most vulnerable members of society in favor of business.

Agency: Environmental Protection Agency
Formal Name: National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System Permit Regulation and Effluent Limitation Guidelines and Standards for Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations
At Issue: The rule, formulated to address practices voided by a Federal Appeals Court ruling, asks companies that run confined animal feeding operations to voluntarily apply for permits to discharge waste into waterways. If the operators don’t think they pollute enough, they are under no obligation to get permits.
RIN: 2040-AE80

Self-regulation of pollutants, wow.

Agency: Department of the Interior
Formal Name: Implementation of the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969
At Issue: The Interior Department says these revisions will "promote greater transparency and accountability to the public." But the rule also gives the agency discretion in determining how to involve the public in the preparation of environmental assessments, including the solicitation of public comments.
RIN: 1090-AA95

No public comments or debate in the preparation of environmental assessments.


Just three, there are many more but you're not even trying so that's about the effort I'm willing to put in myself.

So now you get to tell me how I'm wrong without posting any actual facts...

 

[Nic_Driver]

or loses all of their money it's their own responsibility to have made the right choices in planning for such an event, not governments

Should Madoff be a free man or should the activity he participated in be regulated by the government?

 

[JRK]

or loses all of their money it's their own responsibility to have made the right choices in planning for such an event, not governments

Should Madoff be a free man or should the activity he participated in be regulated by the government?

The events that Madoff where in leadership of where against the law.
This is where the lies have gone so far over board that the masses never even see it
More regulation would not have prevented this

Applying for a loan based on false information is against the law
providing a loan based on false information is against the law
and somehow more regulation would have prevented "this", and "this" is what for the most part caused the housing bubble to burst

 

[8537]

How does your opinion of the source as credible change the information from fact to fiction? Can you find something in one of the links that they purport to be fact that isn't a fact?

I dont see anything in any of the links other than Claims/accusations with no law backing any of them. If I said Weiner was responsible for molesting 5 children and put it on a partisan website does that automatically make it true? Of course it doesn't.

Are you trying?




A direct attack on labor and the most vulnerable members of society in favor of business.

Agency: Environmental Protection Agency
Formal Name: National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System Permit Regulation and Effluent Limitation Guidelines and Standards for Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations
At Issue: The rule, formulated to address practices voided by a Federal Appeals Court ruling, asks companies that run confined animal feeding operations to voluntarily apply for permits to discharge waste into waterways. If the operators don’t think they pollute enough, they are under no obligation to get permits.
RIN: 2040-AE80

Self-regulation of pollutants, wow.

Agency: Department of the Interior
Formal Name: Implementation of the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969
At Issue: The Interior Department says these revisions will "promote greater transparency and accountability to the public." But the rule also gives the agency discretion in determining how to involve the public in the preparation of environmental assessments, including the solicitation of public comments.
RIN: 1090-AA95

No public comments or debate in the preparation of environmental assessments.


Just three, there are many more but you're not even trying so that's about the effort I'm willing to put in myself.

So now you get to tell me how I'm wrong without posting any actual facts...

These folks behave as if they own the ambulance service at the bottom of the cliff.

 

[JRK]

Regulation is not the problem, or the lack of
I still have not seen one link
I would hate to know I had lied this much to gain power

 

[JRK]

I dont see anything in any of the links other than Claims/accusations with no law backing any of them. If I said Weiner was responsible for molesting 5 children and put it on a partisan website does that automatically make it true? Of course it doesn't.

Are you trying?




A direct attack on labor and the most vulnerable members of society in favor of business.






Self-regulation of pollutants, wow.

Agency: Department of the Interior
Formal Name: Implementation of the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969
At Issue: The Interior Department says these revisions will "promote greater transparency and accountability to the public." But the rule also gives the agency discretion in determining how to involve the public in the preparation of environmental assessments, including the solicitation of public comments.
RIN: 1090-AA95

No public comments or debate in the preparation of environmental assessments.


Just three, there are many more but you're not even trying so that's about the effort I'm willing to put in myself.

So now you get to tell me how I'm wrong without posting any actual facts...

These folks behave as if they own the ambulance service at the bottom of the cliff.

You know what is going to cost Obama his job?
people just lie you
I have ask you simple questions and yet you never can answer them
why is that?
Obama has a record to run on now

 

[editec]

So, NIC..... you do realize all you've linked to is left wing whackaloon propaganda, none of which ever came true, don't you?

Of course you do.

It didn't?

Interesting theory.

 

[8537]

Are you trying?




A direct attack on labor and the most vulnerable members of society in favor of business.






Self-regulation of pollutants, wow.





No public comments or debate in the preparation of environmental assessments.


Just three, there are many more but you're not even trying so that's about the effort I'm willing to put in myself.

So now you get to tell me how I'm wrong without posting any actual facts...

These folks behave as if they own the ambulance service at the bottom of the cliff.

You know what is going to cost Obama his job?
people just lie you
I have ask you simple questions and yet you never can answer them
why is that?
Obama has a record to run on now

You're hilarious! I've answered every question you asked. Because my answers don't offer confirmation bias for you, you simply act like no answer was provided.

Your game is boring, JRK. Try being intellectually honest for a change.

 

[JRK]

These folks behave as if they own the ambulance service at the bottom of the cliff.

You know what is going to cost Obama his job?
people just lie you
I have ask you simple questions and yet you never can answer them
why is that?
Obama has a record to run on now

You're hilarious! I've answered every question you asked. Because my answers don't offer confirmation bias for you, you simply act like no answer was provided.

Your game is boring, JRK. Try being intellectually honest for a change.

The truth is allways boring
its simple
its without debate
I see obamas poll numbers are plummenting
wonder why