OK anti-abortion ultrasound un-Constitutional

[g5000]

I think everyone, whether you are pro-life or pro-choice should be offended by these laws. The government demanding to stick a prob in a woman's vagina, writing into law that the screen must be placed facing her, that the picture must be put into her medical records.

It's disgusting.

Yes. This is sheer vindictiveness, not Christian compassion.

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[koshergrl]

They're sticking a knife in there anyway.

I thought the left was about women's health? This would make sure that the doctors actually know the exact stage of development of the baby before they rip it out. It makes it safer for the woman.

But you don't want it, because you want to keep killing babies past the age the law says you may, and hiding the evidence.

Back alley abortions are still happening. Only now they're legal. You guys are great.

 

[AmyNation]

They're sticking a knife in there anyway.

I thought the left was about women's health? This would make sure that the doctors actually know the exact stage of development of the baby before they rip it out. It makes it safer for the woman.

But you don't want it, because you want to keep killing babies past the age the law says you may, and hiding the evidence.

Back alley abortions are still happening. Only now they're legal. You guys are great.

Keep pretending you're for these laws because you care about the woman's health. Maybe if you repeat it enough you will convince yourself that's true.

 

[koshergrl]

Why don't you want to know the age of aborted babies, Amy?

You like the idea of women getting ripped apart by non-doctors who don't know how far along she is?

 

[koshergrl]

Doctor could lose license after late-term abortion | Albuquerque News - KOAT Home

 

[AmyNation]

How does demanding she face the screen help her medically KG?

 

[koshergrl]

Woman Rushed to Ohio Hospital After Botched Late-Term Abortion | LifeNews.com

 

[Dragonlady]

That's because you're an idiot.

No, because it's correct. Late term abortions are extremely rare. In countries where statistics on abortions are kept, late term abortions are less than 1% of the total abortions. Exact figures aren't kept for the USA, but the best estimates are that the numbers are similar to those in other countries, that is less than 1%.

The anti-choice extremists use late term abortions to sell their idea that abortion is murder because the fetus does look like a baby. Early pregnancy zygots and fetuses are blobs of flesh so it's hard to convince people it's murder.

If you don't believe in abortions, don't have one. That's what "Pro-Choice" means. You are 100% free to follow your beliefs. You can choose to have the baby or you can choose to have the abortion. But stop buying into lies about the termination of pregnancy.

 

[koshergrl]

How does demanding she face the screen help her medically KG?

It ensures that whoever is doing the abortion knows the actual development stage of the baby. So they don't "accidentally" abort a baby past the age that is legal.

That, in turn, protects the women. The further along the pregnancy is, the bigger the risk to the mother who is seeking abortion. Different precautions and different methods are used for abortions after the first trimester. Methods and precautions that are the most safe when a woman is at 8 weeks are not the methods that are safe at 16 weeks. It is when abortion clinicians jump in and start slicing around when they don't know the actual age of the fetus that women get their intestines pulled out or end up with other life threatening complications.

 

[koshergrl]

That's because you're an idiot.

No, because it's correct. Late term abortions are extremely rare. In countries where statistics on abortions are kept, late term abortions are less than 1% of the total abortions. Exact figures aren't kept for the USA, but the best estimates are that the numbers are similar to those in other countries, that is less than 1%.

The anti-choice extremists use late term abortions to sell their idea that abortion is murder because the fetus does look like a baby. Early pregnancy zygots and fetuses are blobs of flesh so it's hard to convince people it's murder.

If you don't believe in abortions, don't have one. That's what "Pro-Choice" means. You are 100% free to follow your beliefs. You can choose to have the baby or you can choose to have the abortion. But stop buying into lies about the termination of pregnancy.

No, late term abortions are not extremely rare. PP, Guttmachers and the CDC all admit they don't have statistics because they are not required to maintain records, and the records they do keep are not accurate.

Spread your pro-abortion lies somewhere else...like grade school. Get the girls before they've actually been in the clinics and know how motivated you death cultists are to keep killing babies, and mothers.

 

[koshergrl]

Ultrasound would have saved this woman:

Woman Dies After Abortion at Chicago Planned Parenthood Clinic

 

[AmyNation]

How does demanding she face the screen help her medically KG?

It ensures that whoever is doing the abortion knows the actual development stage of the baby. So they don't "accidentally" abort a baby past the age that is legal.

That, in turn, protects the women. The further along the pregnancy is, the bigger the risk to the mother who is seeking abortion. Different precautions and different methods are used for abortions after the first trimester. Methods and precautions that are the most safe when a woman is at 8 weeks are not the methods that are safe at 16 weeks. It is when abortion clinicians jump in and start slicing around when they don't know the actual age of the fetus that women get their intestines pulled out or end up with other life threatening complications.

How does making sure the screen faces her "ensure the developmental stage"?


I'll give you a hint, it doesn't. Go pedal your spam elsewhere.

 

[g5000]

Ultrasound would have saved this woman:

Woman Dies After Abortion at Chicago Planned Parenthood Clinic

There are a small number of women who die as the result of an abortion. However, the figure is smaller than the number of women who die during childbirth.

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[koshergrl]

Because you can determine fetal age almost exactly using the ultrasound, and you can also see where the baby is at.

""Hemorrhages tend to happen with later pregnancies," Rosen said.

Chicago Woman's Family Lawyers Up After Abortion-Related Death - ABC News

 

[koshergrl]

Peddle your dark ages baby-killing witchcraft elsewhere, Amy. People in the US prefer safe medicine for women.

 

[AmyNation]

I didn't know every pregnant woman knew how to read fetal age from an ultrasound.

 

[koshergrl]

Perhaps we should take this up when you're sober.

 

[g5000]

Abortion Surveillance --- United States, 2003

By using data from the National Pregnancy Mortality Surveillance System, CDC identified 19 maternal deaths for 2001 and 21 maternal deaths for 2002 that were thought to be potentially related to abortion.

Fact Of The Day #26: Maternal Mortality Rate Rising Despite Expensive Care (INFOGRAPHIC)

The United States spends $98 billion annually on hospitalization for pregnancy and childbirth, but the US maternal mortality rate has doubled in the past 25 years. The U.S. ranks 50th in the world for maternal mortality, meaning 49 countries were better at keeping new mothers alive.

The accompanying graphic shows the maternal death rate currently at 12.7 per 100,000 live births.


There were 4,131,019 births in 2009. That would be 525 maternal deaths.



More U.S. women dying in childbirth - Health - Pregnancy | NBC News

U.S. women are dying from childbirth at the highest rate in decades, new government figures show. Though the risk of death is very small, experts believe increasing maternal obesity and a jump in Caesarean sections are partly to blame.

 

[g5000]

Peddle your dark ages baby-killing witchcraft elsewhere, Amy. People in the US prefer safe medicine for women.

This has nothing to do with safe medicine. The law requires the mother be forced to look at the fetus. The mother is not a trained medical person, so the real intent is quite clear.

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[koshergrl]

The medical personnel also look at it, and they do know what they're seeing. Which means they will catch it if the age of the fetus and the declared age are different.

BTW, there are more deaths from abortion. Even the clinicians say abortion MIGHT be safer than childbirth...but they don't know.

Because when women go into the hospital 2 weeks later with raging systemic infections, kidney failure, or hemorrhage, "abortion" is not put on the death certificate under "cause of death".