Oil Hits 105 a Barrel - Obama Admin to Appeal Judge's Ruling

[thereisnospoon]

The solution to our long term problem is not a little more oil for a little bit of time.

As to the actual solutions... This administration has been the most proactive in decades, maybe ever - To the chagrin of the minority party.

and these solutions are.....?

Curb consumption and seek alternatives, of course. I find it unfortunate and sad that so many Republicans/conservatives/righties/whatever demonize any efforts thereof and/or laugh them off as a joke.

Tremendous idea. However, until an available and affordable alternative is found and made readily available to the marketplace, this alternative fuel idea is at best pie in the sky.
We have hundreds of years worth of natural resources available right here in the US and in it's territorial waters.

 

[Jroc]

I'm more along the lines of fusion and battery technology; superconductors; etc.

But wind and solar do have the capacity to take a substantial bite out of our energy needs.

then sir, you might want to start with say the sierra club and ask them why for years they lauded solar, then bit it right in the ass when it came ti nut cutting time.....just sayin'.

take 5, heres an example.

Green Power, Red Lights | The Weekly Standard

If you knew where I worked and what I did, you'd understand that I am ALL for pursing battery technologies and fusion.

However, as oddball says, fossil fuels ARE the fuels/energy's for the next 25 years at least, that is a fact, I am sorry, I truly wish we could have that break-through tomorrow, but it just doesn't work that way.

What breakthrough? We’ve got tons of Natural gas enough for 100 yrs or more that’s the answer right now not some stupid solar. Battery Technology? What the hell are we going to do with all those old batteries? Put um in a friken land fill these libs are clueless I don't think you should humor them with any inclinations that they are reasonable thinkers they’re off in socialist lah..lah..land

 

[Cuyo]

and these solutions are.....?

Curb consumption and seek alternatives, of course. I find it unfortunate and sad that so many Republicans/conservatives/righties/whatever demonize any efforts thereof and/or laugh them off as a joke.

I have no problem with pursing alternatives, but, I don't believe that the High Priests of the new religion should be making us pay more now, when we don't have to.

See I disagree. Taking steps to artificially lower the price will disincentivize the finding of a permanent solution. Not to mention, alternatives or not, I find it foolish to mine and consume all of our own resources immediately. See, I think this is the very argument the BOGSATs are having that we never hear about. Somebody is going to be the first ones to run out of this stuff entirely. Do you really think it should be us? What would happen to the price then? Or our security for that matter?

 

[thereisnospoon]

The solution to our long term problem is not a little more oil for a little bit of time.

As to the actual solutions... This administration has been the most proactive in decades, maybe ever - To the chagrin of the minority party.

Spoken like someone who has no idea of how much solar and wind energy can actually be generated to meet our energy needs.

There are not enough companies or federal dollars available for this technology to be of any significance. It is very expensive to construct and maintain both solar panel and wind farms.
Plus, we have the NIMBY factor. I cite the infamous Nantucket or Martha's Vinyard windfarm site as an example.
Yes, those wealthy elitist liberals like the Kennedy's screamed bloody murder about a windfarm messing up their views of the ocean and of course their yachting waters.
So much for the Left not being hypocrites

 

[Cuyo]

I'm more along the lines of fusion and battery technology; superconductors; etc.

But wind and solar do have the capacity to take a substantial bite out of our energy needs.

then sir, you might want to start with say the sierra club and ask them why for years they lauded solar, then bit it right in the ass when it came ti nut cutting time.....just sayin'.

take 5, heres an example.

Green Power, Red Lights | The Weekly Standard

If you knew where I worked and what I did, you'd understand that I am ALL for pursing battery technologies and fusion.

However, as oddball says, fossil fuels ARE the fuels/energy's for the next 25 years at least, that is a fact, I am sorry, I truly wish we could have that break-through tomorrow, but it just doesn't work that way.

I think we had this discussion before.

You don't think a manhattan-project style program would bring fusion to market double-quick? You don't think 1/10 of what we've spent protecting oil would be sufficient?

Of course it would... And of course it would.

 

[Mr. H.]

If Obama believes that granting one permit since the gulf spill is going to be enough to cover his culpability in this issue, he is mistaken.

He and his administration should be held accountable for their direct actions, which has been an ongoing attack against domestic drilling. It began with his initial moratorium, and his campaign continues.

The Obama administration late Friday appealed a judge's orders directing the Interior Department to act on several Gulf of Mexico deepwater drilling permits.

The appeal is the latest salvo in the ongoing fight over the speed with which Interior is – or isn't – letting oil drillers get back to work after last year's BP oil spill.

Read more: Interior appeals oil drilling ruling - Dan Berman and Darren Goode - POLITICO.com



Republicans should start relentlessly equating the Obama administration with $5.00 gas prices.

Interesting thread. And a good post except for that last sentence re: Obama and $5.00 gas prices.

I spent 3 days last week in D.C. with a group of fellow energy producers. Together we visited over 150 congressmen and senators, explaining the deleterious effects of the proposed budget and pending legislation on our ability to operate in the high-risk capital-intensive petroleum industry.

At the orientation meeting, the subject of high gasoline prices was raised as a talking point. I objected on the grounds that crude prices and consequently gasoline prices will fluctuate regardless of which political administration is in power. The focus is domestic supply. Domestic production, domestic jobs, domestic product.

We saw a similar game plan during the Carter administration. Castrate the American oil and gas industry in the name of reducing consumption and, ultimately, imports. But that plan backfired (as will Obama's) and the result was the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs, reduced American oil and gas production, and a marked increase in imports.

Whether crude is $10/barrel or $100/barrel (and we've seen both in the last 15 years), its point of origin is the key. Make product here, keep money here, keep jobs here.

As for the invasion/protection bullshit conspiracy theory - home grown alternatives and renewables are but a pinprick. Win The Future my ass. The future is hydrocarbons. Stop denying it and embrace your fellow countrymen who have the tools and technology and resources to beat the world at its own game.

Hire us here and now. Drill here, drill now, save money and jobs.

 

[Oddball]

I'm more along the lines of fusion and battery technology; superconductors; etc.

But wind and solar do have the capacity to take a substantial bite out of our energy needs.

then sir, you might want to start with say the sierra club and ask them why for years they lauded solar, then bit it right in the ass when it came ti nut cutting time.....just sayin'.

take 5, heres an example.

Green Power, Red Lights | The Weekly Standard

If you knew where I worked and what I did, you'd understand that I am ALL for pursing battery technologies and fusion.

However, as oddball says, fossil fuels ARE the fuels/energy's for the next 25 years at least, that is a fact, I am sorry, I truly wish we could have that break-through tomorrow, but it just doesn't work that way.

I think we had this discussion before.

You don't think a manhattan-project style program would bring fusion to market double-quick? You don't think 1/10 of what we've spent protecting oil would be sufficient?

Of course it would... And of course it would.

Manhattan Project ended up killing at least a million people directly and tens of millions on the periphery.

Are you really sure you want to stand by that model?

 

[Cuyo]

then sir, you might want to start with say the sierra club and ask them why for years they lauded solar, then bit it right in the ass when it came ti nut cutting time.....just sayin'.

take 5, heres an example.

Green Power, Red Lights | The Weekly Standard

If you knew where I worked and what I did, you'd understand that I am ALL for pursing battery technologies and fusion.

However, as oddball says, fossil fuels ARE the fuels/energy's for the next 25 years at least, that is a fact, I am sorry, I truly wish we could have that break-through tomorrow, but it just doesn't work that way.

I think we had this discussion before.

You don't think a manhattan-project style program would bring fusion to market double-quick? You don't think 1/10 of what we've spent protecting oil would be sufficient?

Of course it would... And of course it would.

Manhattan Project ended up killing at least a million people directly and tens of millions on the periphery.

Are you really sure you want to stand by that model?

In the vacuum of whether or not it got the job done, absolutely. If your moral objection is too great, use the Interstate highway act instead.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Attention liberals....The world's economic health depends solely on the free flow of oil and other petroleum based products.
Just look at the state of the markets now and this is with just ONE OPEC country producing less than it's quota. In fact, Libya is responsible for just 2% of the world's oil exports.

 

[shintao]

How do you define "substantial"?


How are all those nuclear plants coming along? And before you say Obama is pro-nuclear energy please explain why he defunded Yucca Mountain.

As a senator in 2007, Mr. Obama suggested in a letter to Mr. Reid and Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), chair of the Environment and Public Works Committee, "finding another state willing to serve as a permanent national repository . . . ." He also called for redirecting resources to improve the safety and security at plants around the country until a long-term solution is found.

How about your backyard dude?

yea okay then thx. and thx to Robert Kennedy Jr. " mr. enviro-man only when its convenient" for helping nix the Cape Wind project too.

when the left gets these loonies under control, put me down for a bunker full of eroding rads in my backyard, until then dream on.

A bunker full might be a nice thing to have if you could tap it for energy, maybe enough for a small community. Someone ought to look into that. I can see a few tech issues, but basically it could be done without much fuel. Maybe a lunch box sized parcel for 50,000 homes. A submarine set up isn't too big.

 

[Flopper]

If Obama believes that granting one permit since the gulf spill is going to be enough to cover his culpability in this issue, he is mistaken.

He and his administration should be held accountable for their direct actions, which has been an ongoing attack against domestic drilling. It began with his initial moratorium, and his campaign continues.

The Obama administration late Friday appealed a judge's orders directing the Interior Department to act on several Gulf of Mexico deepwater drilling permits.

The appeal is the latest salvo in the ongoing fight over the speed with which Interior is – or isn't – letting oil drillers get back to work after last year's BP oil spill.

Read more: Interior appeals oil drilling ruling - Dan Berman and Darren Goode - POLITICO.com



Republicans should start relentlessly equating the Obama administration with $5.00 gas prices.

More wells in the gulf will not have a major impact on the price of gas. Oil is sold on the world market. If the producer in the US can get more money for oil sold abroad he will do so. The price of oil in the US mirrors the price abroad adjusted for transportation costs and fees.

If the US produced enough oil to be energy independent, then we could not be held hostage by foreign powers. The government could force producers in the US to sell their oil in the US so their would be no oil shortage but eventually price would have to return to world market prices unless the government nationalized the oil industry.

 

[B. Kidd]

If Obama believes that granting one permit since the gulf spill is going to be enough to cover his culpability in this issue, he is mistaken.

He and his administration should be held accountable for their direct actions, which has been an ongoing attack against domestic drilling. It began with his initial moratorium, and his campaign continues.

The Obama administration late Friday appealed a judge's orders directing the Interior Department to act on several Gulf of Mexico deepwater drilling permits.

The appeal is the latest salvo in the ongoing fight over the speed with which Interior is – or isn't – letting oil drillers get back to work after last year's BP oil spill.

Read more: Interior appeals oil drilling ruling - Dan Berman and Darren Goode - POLITICO.com



Republicans should start relentlessly equating the Obama administration with $5.00 gas prices.

Interesting thread. And a good post except for that last sentence re: Obama and $5.00 gas prices.

I spent 3 days last week in D.C. with a group of fellow energy producers. Together we visited over 150 congressmen and senators, explaining the deleterious effects of the proposed budget and pending legislation on our ability to operate in the high-risk capital-intensive petroleum industry.

At the orientation meeting, the subject of high gasoline prices was raised as a talking point. I objected on the grounds that crude prices and consequently gasoline prices will fluctuate regardless of which political administration is in power. The focus is domestic supply. Domestic production, domestic jobs, domestic product.

We saw a similar game plan during the Carter administration. Castrate the American oil and gas industry in the name of reducing consumption and, ultimately, imports. But that plan backfired (as will Obama's) and the result was the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs, reduced American oil and gas production, and a marked increase in imports.

Whether crude is $10/barrel or $100/barrel (and we've seen both in the last 15 years), its point of origin is the key. Make product here, keep money here, keep jobs here.

As for the invasion/protection bullshit conspiracy theory - home grown alternatives and renewables are but a pinprick. Win The Future my ass. The future is hydrocarbons. Stop denying it and embrace your fellow countrymen who have the tools and technology and resources to beat the world at its own game.

Hire us here and now. Drill here, drill now, save money and jobs.

Helluva post.
People forget that it was American ingenuity and know how that brought the oil to the surface in Saudi Arabia. Otherwise, Saudi Arabia would have remained the world's largest litter box for alot longer.

 

[shintao]

If Obama believes that granting one permit since the gulf spill is going to be enough to cover his culpability in this issue, he is mistaken.

He and his administration should be held accountable for their direct actions, which has been an ongoing attack against domestic drilling. It began with his initial moratorium, and his campaign continues.

The Obama administration late Friday appealed a judge's orders directing the Interior Department to act on several Gulf of Mexico deepwater drilling permits.

The appeal is the latest salvo in the ongoing fight over the speed with which Interior is – or isn't – letting oil drillers get back to work after last year's BP oil spill.

Read more: Interior appeals oil drilling ruling - Dan Berman and Darren Goode - POLITICO.com



Republicans should start relentlessly equating the Obama administration with $5.00 gas prices.

More wells in the gulf will not have a major impact on the price of gas. Oil is sold on the world market. If the producer in the US can get more money for oil sold abroad he will do so. The price of oil in the US mirrors the price abroad adjusted for transportation costs and fees.

If the US produced enough oil to be energy independent, then we could not be held hostage by foreign powers. The government could force producers in the US to sell their oil in the US so their would be no oil shortage but eventually price would have to return to world market prices unless the government nationalized the oil industry.

Nationalizing oil is the only way to accomplish America's goals.

 

[Flopper]

That will never happen

 

[Mr. H.]

Nationalizing oil is the only way to accomplish America's goals.

That statement is so fucked more ways than sideways.

 

[jgarden]

If Obama believes that granting one permit since the gulf spill is going to be enough to cover his culpability in this issue, he is mistaken.

He and his administration should be held accountable for their direct actions, which has been an ongoing attack against domestic drilling. It began with his initial moratorium, and his campaign continues.

The Obama administration late Friday appealed a judge's orders directing the Interior Department to act on several Gulf of Mexico deepwater drilling permits.

The appeal is the latest salvo in the ongoing fight over the speed with which Interior is – or isn't – letting oil drillers back to work after last year's BP oil spill.

Read more: Interior appeals oil drilling ruling - Dan Berman and Darren Goode - POLITICO.com

Republicans should start relentlessly equating the Obama administration with $5.00 gas prices.

USA: Schwarzenegger's Hasta la Vista to Offshore Drilling ...

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger says he will find another way to help close the state’s $20 billion budget deficit after the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico caused him to withdraw his support for a plan to expand oil drilling off the California coast.

http://www.offshoreenergytoday.com/usa-schwarzeneggers-hasta-la-vista-to-offshore-drilling/

Crist wants to ban offshore drilling in Florida waters

2010-07-09 MSNBC TALLAHASSEE: On day 80 of the Gulf oil disaster, Governor Charlie Crist called for a special session of the Legislature because he wants to ban offshore oil drilling in Florida waters forever. The governor is looking to draft a...

http://article.wn.com/view/2010/07/08/Fla_gov_calls_legislature_for_oil_drilling_ban_na/

Fla. gov calls legislature for oil drilling ban

How many state governors, including some Republican governors, want offshore drilling off their coastline?

As for the judge, he/she doesn't have to face an angry public if and when the oil companies, like BP, screw up!

The Republicans know the oil companies can't be trusted to follow proper safety proceedures and GOP will do a disappearing act and deny all responsinility, the moment something goes wrong,

 

[Provocateur]

If Obama believes that granting one permit since the gulf spill is going to be enough to cover his culpability in this issue, he is mistaken.

He and his administration should be held accountable for their direct actions, which has been an ongoing attack against domestic drilling. It began with his initial moratorium, and his campaign continues.

The Obama administration late Friday appealed a judge's orders directing the Interior Department to act on several Gulf of Mexico deepwater drilling permits.

The appeal is the latest salvo in the ongoing fight over the speed with which Interior is – or isn't – letting oil drillers get back to work after last year's BP oil spill.

Read more: Interior appeals oil drilling ruling - Dan Berman and Darren Goode - POLITICO.com



Republicans should start relentlessly equating the Obama administration with $5.00 gas prices.

Interesting thread. And a good post except for that last sentence re: Obama and $5.00 gas prices.

I spent 3 days last week in D.C. with a group of fellow energy producers. Together we visited over 150 congressmen and senators, explaining the deleterious effects of the proposed budget and pending legislation on our ability to operate in the high-risk capital-intensive petroleum industry.

At the orientation meeting, the subject of high gasoline prices was raised as a talking point. I objected on the grounds that crude prices and consequently gasoline prices will fluctuate regardless of which political administration is in power. The focus is domestic supply. Domestic production, domestic jobs, domestic product.

We saw a similar game plan during the Carter administration. Castrate the American oil and gas industry in the name of reducing consumption and, ultimately, imports. But that plan backfired (as will Obama's) and the result was the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs, reduced American oil and gas production, and a marked increase in imports.

Whether crude is $10/barrel or $100/barrel (and we've seen both in the last 15 years), its point of origin is the key. Make product here, keep money here, keep jobs here.

As for the invasion/protection bullshit conspiracy theory - home grown alternatives and renewables are but a pinprick. Win The Future my ass. The future is hydrocarbons. Stop denying it and embrace your fellow countrymen who have the tools and technology and resources to beat the world at its own game.

Hire us here and now. Drill here, drill now, save money and jobs.

Thank you for the post. I agree that even if Obama were to award 5000 permits tomorrow, gas prices would remain trending as they are, regardless.

That being said, tying him to the problem I still think is a good strategy. People tend to react to emotion, and if they sense that he is deliberately taking action that is causing them financial hardship, perhaps they will look more closely about his real intentions regarding energy production in this country.

 

[The Gadfly]

Let me see if I have this straight. We're going to deliberately encourage fossil fuel prices to skyrocket, and potentially wreck a none-too-strong and largely jobless recovery, just so we can force America down the road to even higher-priced "greener" power, at the cost of still more jobs? Fine, only once you wreck the economy again, where are consumers going to get the money to pay for the greener power? Are we going to do it by more government subsidies, which means more government spending, which means higher taxes to pay for it, which means still less money in the consumer's wallet to buy the greener subsidized energy. Someone is going to make a killing on this; and someone is going to lose big time; I'm just not sure who is going to do which.

 

[Provocateur]

Let me see if I have this straight. We're going to deliberately encourage fossil fuel prices to skyrocket, and potentially wreck a none-too-strong and largely jobless recovery, just so we can force America down the road to even higher-priced "greener" power, at the cost of still more jobs? Fine, only once you wreck the economy again, where are consumers going to get the money to pay for the greener power? Are we going to do it by more government subsidies, which means more government spending, which means higher taxes to pay for it, which means still less money in the consumer's wallet to buy the greener subsidized energy. Someone is going to make a killing on this; and someone is going to lose big time; I'm just not sure who is going to do which.

Why do you hate the planet Earth?








/sarcasm

 

[The Gadfly]

Let me see if I have this straight. We're going to deliberately encourage fossil fuel prices to skyrocket, and potentially wreck a none-too-strong and largely jobless recovery, just so we can force America down the road to even higher-priced "greener" power, at the cost of still more jobs? Fine, only once you wreck the economy again, where are consumers going to get the money to pay for the greener power? Are we going to do it by more government subsidies, which means more government spending, which means higher taxes to pay for it, which means still less money in the consumer's wallet to buy the greener subsidized energy. Someone is going to make a killing on this; and someone is going to lose big time; I'm just not sure who is going to do which.

Why do you hate the planet Earth






/sarcasm

Should I maybe think of the children?

Oh snap! I forgot, the children are running the place! Well, besides the asylum (the inmates are running that).