Offical Impeachment Thread

[flack]

Liar. The right holds that record over Hillary at 26 years (and counting).

Yes but we have EVIDENCE OF HER FELONIES....

All YOU GOT is HE HURT MY FEELINGS, AND "PRESUMED" with nothing else!

What evidence do you have that Hillary committed felonies? Why haven't you revealed this evidence? Why haven't any of the more than 20 investigations ever produced any of this evidence?

Trump has ONE investigation, out of which come 5 credible charges of obstruction of justice, and a second impeachment investigation where he's already admitted to abuse of power.

I'm starting to wonder if all of this pissing around in the Ukraine is Trump's hissy fit because the Ukrainians revealed Manafort's corruption with the Black Ledger.

Tell me you didn't look at that video with Comey spellingvout over 200bfelonies HE REFUSED TO PROSECUTE...BTW, he now is under investigation, for among other things colluding with the Hildebeast on the phony dossier that she finded....Are you really this stupi . Or just hoping I wouldn6 answer you? Moron!

The democrats on here and elsewhere have no clue what is about to happen. They are being left completely in the dark. The reason for this clown show is the democrat leadership know what is coming and this is their attempt at distracting their base as long as possible.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Pretty cut and dry

Oh, hell, yes, that's cut and dry, if you have your head up your ass.

So angry, Pedro. Conjecture is not enough to convict in this country.

 

[OldLady]

The white house threw Rudy right under the bus yesterday.

What did they say? Does the President no longer know who he is?

 

[theHawk]

Yea, he wanted Ukraine to investigate corruption. What’s the crime again?

No, he just wanted Ukraine to say they were investigating Bidens. It didn't actually have to do it, just say it.

And where is the criminal act in that?

The criminal act was withholding the military aid in exchange for the announcement of an investigation.

I haven't watched the hearings today, but for a few minutes I had it on while waiting on someone.

One question comes to mind. In this case, could you honestly vote for impeachment of the Republican when the hearings did not allow Republican witnesses and the entire hearings were orchestrated by the Democrats?

The same questions come to mind if a Democrat was being charged with a crime targeting impeachment when the Democrats did not have the same rules as the Republicans?

So, as I hear this evening, maybe impeachment is appropriate, but the way the hearings were handled would make me either vote no or not be present.

What do you think? Try to be honest.

Yes definitely. I've seen enough testimony to convince me that Trump should be impeached. He will have a chance to present his witnesses in the senate trial.

That's how this process works. What we are watching right now is not the trial. That happens after the impeachment.

However, the GOP could attempt some sort of defense in the impeachment hearing. Too bad they chose to take a hard pass on that in favor of squawking and flapping their wings.

How is that a criminal act? We have no obligation to give them money. When we do give money, why would we give it to a country that reeks of corruption? When they start cracking down on corruption, then we’ll be willing to to give them aid. Nothing wrong, immoral, or illegal about it.

You also haven’t cited which law this supposedly breaks.

The fact that a corruption investigation would look bad for old Joe, isn’t an excuse to prevent such an investigation. Maybe if Dems don’t like being outted as corrupt then they shouldn’t be such corrupt assholes, eh?

Trump wanted dirt on his political opponent. He withheld congressionally approved military aid in order to force Ukraine to provide said dirt, or to pretend they would provide it via an 'investigation.'

That sure looks like bribery to me.

I don't need to cite a law, I am not a lawyer, nor am I in charge of any part of the impeachment process. I am an observer, nothing more.

About Joe Biden, why doesn't Trump demand his justice department open an investigation into Joe & Hunter? Why all the secrecy with the hidden call transcript and why all the arm twisting with the Ukrainians?

If there is “dirt” on Joe, it would only be there if he is guilty of corruption. Isn’t it in the interest of every voter to know if Joe was neck deep in Ukrainian corruption during his time as VP, especially if he is running for President?

Funny how informing the American people of Dem corruption is being defined as “bribery” for President Trump.

It’s Hillary Clinton all over again. You’re blaming President Trump or a foreign power of “election interference” simply for exposing actual Democrat corruption and crimes. You people can never hold your politicians accountable for their corruption and crimes.

 

[flack]

Trump wanted dirt on his political opponent.

Who is his political opponent, and how did Trump conclude he was? Nobody knows who his opponent is going to be.

About Joe Biden, why doesn't Trump demand his justice department open an investigation into Joe & Hunter?

Because honest people (which Democrats are not) need to provide some kind of evidence of wrongdoing, not just because it looks so bad. It's clear why drug head was hired for a multi-million dollar paying job, but again, no evidence of what was provided in exchange for giving him that gravy job.

Both Biden and Trump are running for the same office.

No. Right now Biden is running to be the democrat nominee. Once he wins that race he will then be running against Trump for president.

Wrong, he need not win the Democrats' nomination to run in the general election.

Even worse for your position... if it were allowed to solicit foreign nationals for help to eliminate presidential hopefuls prior to the primaries under the fallacious excuse they're not political rivals of an incumbent president running for re-election, that would allow a president to violate campaign laws to eliminate every single candidate from the opposing party.

You are right. He doesn't. However he is ,as of now, running for the nomination for the democrat party. He would have to declare a run as an independent for your theory to hold up.

 

[OldLady]

The criminal act was withholding the military aid in exchange for the announcement of an investigation.
Yes definitely. I've seen enough testimony to convince me that Trump should be impeached. He will have a chance to present his witnesses in the senate trial.

That's how this process works. What we are watching right now is not the trial. That happens after the impeachment.

However, the GOP could attempt some sort of defense in the impeachment hearing. Too bad they chose to take a hard pass on that in favor of squawking and flapping their wings.

How is that a criminal act? We have no obligation to give them money. When we do give money, why would we give it to a country that reeks of corruption? When they start cracking down on corruption, then we’ll be willing to to give them aid. Nothing wrong, immoral, or illegal about it.

You also haven’t cited which law this supposedly breaks.

The fact that a corruption investigation would look bad for old Joe, isn’t an excuse to prevent such an investigation. Maybe if Dems don’t like being outted as corrupt then they shouldn’t be such corrupt assholes, eh?

The corruption allegations against Joe Biden were NOT CREDIBLE. According to everyone who has testified so far. Including the million-dollar Trump supporter Sondland, who the Republicans thought were on "their side."

When are you people going to wake up and smell the coffee?

That is another ******* LIE there has never been an investigation into Biden, his son and his involvement with HIS EXTORTION....IF SO POST IT, and not just some left wing pundit saying so....we can wait!

Oh. THAT investigation. The one investigating the shit you guys made up. There was a clear investigation into Burisma by Ukraine, and the actors/timeline all involved situations BEFORE Hunter went on their board.
There is absolutely no evidence, except an active and hostile imagination on your part, to support that there was any extortion involved.
Fact check: What Joe and Hunter Biden actually did in Ukraine

You mean the CORRUPT UKRAINE INVESTIGATING ITSELF...you idiots are the ones that pushed that fallacy...and FACT CHECK is another SOROS FUNDED organization through his shell companies
Now let's get a NEW INVESTIGATION GOING under the NEW PRESIDENT....

Ukraine Wants To Probe the Company That Paid Hunter Biden. But It's 'Too Sensitive'

Wanting to investigate what and why they paid Hunter Biden is definitely jumping into America's domestic political arena.

 

[joaquinmiller]

Pretty cut and dry

Oh, hell, yes, that's cut and dry, if you have your head up your ass.

So angry, Pedro. Conjecture is not enough to convict in this country.

What happened to cut and dry?

 

[the other mike]

Trump isn't investigating anyone.

Not even Biden? He only wants to outsource that? We have a Justice Dept and investigative agencies, but The Only One wants Ukraine to announce an investigation. That's fucked-up, comrade.

nope, trump is doing the state's business, unlike the congressional house. They are the one's with the actual quid pro quo going on right now. I want the government business being done, not their infectious fantasies.

It's the state's business to investigate Biden, if there is evidence of wrongdoing. You just said Trump isn't investigating anyone. Your silly deflection to Congress is noted.

actually, it's the DOJ's business to investigate biden, and they are. Not trump. you should learn your agencies better.

It's a pity Trump went to a foreign national to get help for an investigation into Biden rather than go to his own DoJ. He wouldn't be getting impeached if he had.

If there's no dirt on the Biden's, then what are you guys so worried about? Let Hunter testify.

 

[OldLady]

Liar. The right holds that record over Hillary at 26 years (and counting).

Yes but we have EVIDENCE OF HER FELONIES....

All YOU GOT is HE HURT MY FEELINGS, AND "PRESUMED" with nothing else!

What evidence do you have that Hillary committed felonies? Why haven't you revealed this evidence? Why haven't any of the more than 20 investigations ever produced any of this evidence?

Trump has ONE investigation, out of which come 5 credible charges of obstruction of justice, and a second impeachment investigation where he's already admitted to abuse of power.

I'm starting to wonder if all of this pissing around in the Ukraine is Trump's hissy fit because the Ukrainians revealed Manafort's corruption with the Black Ledger.

Of course it is.

 

[Dragonlady]

**** you commie, the SOB got a few scratches and was back on duty the same damn day.

Uh, the only commie I see is the couch dwelling ***** who was pulling his own taffy to comic books while Vinland was dodging bullets for his country, only to try to nip at his ankles later when he says something that reflects poorly on his great orange Vozhd .That would be you.

he admitted being asked by someone in Ukraine government for his services. Why would any foreign government offer a job to a Military Lt. Cpl of the USA? That's all I need to know.

Secretary of State, Madeline Albright, was offered the job of President of Czechoslovakia when she left office. It's not unusual at all that he was offered a job. In fact, it happens so frequently that there's a process to be followed by career officers when such offers are made, and Vindman followed all of the protocols.

 

[Faun]

^ ^ ^

DOUBLING DOWN!!!

Lock them up!

Any ... day ... nowwwwwww!

Then lock her up!

What are ya waiting for?

 

[jc456]

The President has executive privilege, the average American does not.

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Of course, you are allowed to defend yourself. Defending yourself tough does NOT include the right to withhold evidence. You can't defend yourself by shooting a witness for instance either. There are limits on the right to defend yourself. Refusing to comply with a subpoena issued by the house is one of those.

it's not an official impeachment. he isn't obstructing shit.

It's official. Refusing to comply with a subpoena issued by the house is obstruction whether this is an impeachment inquiry or not.

They challenged the subpoenas in court. Try to get some facts for once.

Just heard on NBC. The FBI is going to interview the whistleblowner..lol

Actually they asked, lawyers for the whistleblower are debating if they want them to. I have however personally no objection. If his identity could remain unknown in thé process, I wouldn't care if the house deposed him either. His original complaint has been verified by multiple witnesses, so I don't think he has more relevant things to say but sure. The problem is that Trump has already been caught on camera, implying he should get shot, and God knows, that there are plenty of people who would gladly do so.

I think it that was what they originally wanted, they have other questions.

I want Trump impeached and the Senate to ask Hunter and the Leaker what's up.

But on Dec 11, 2019. This will all be mute.

What I am most proud of as an American is that Sondlam's congressman told people to boycott and protest his businesses and the many threats he and his family have gotten. This makes me so proud of what America is really about. I bet it makes you even prouder right?[/QUOTE]
I want you impeached. you think I could do that? I have the same chance as the demofks and you're sorry traitorous ass.[/QUOTE]
Huh???...Lol. My posts are nothing but sarcasm and very dry humor[/QUOTE]
in your own mind

 

[Dragonlady]

HMM: Ukrainian MPs demand Zelensky, Trump investigate suspicion of U.S.-Ukraine corruption involving $7.4 bln.

“Ukrainian members of parliament have demanded the presidents of Ukraine and the United States, Volodymyr Zelensky and Donald Trump, investigate suspicions of the legalization of $7.4 billion by the ‘family’ of ex-President Viktor Yanukovych through the American investment fund Franklin Templeton Investments, which they said has ties to the U.S. Democratic Party.”
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Well, stay tuned.

Maybe Trump should have been investigating Franklin Templeton.

Trump isn't investigating anyone.

Not even Biden? He only wants to outsource that? We have a Justice Dept and investigative agencies, but The Only One wants Ukraine to announce an investigation. That's fucked-up, comrade.

nope, trump is doing the state's business, unlike the congressional house. They are the one's with the actual quid pro quo going on right now. I want the government business being done, not their infectious fantasies.

Government business is being done - note all of the breaks for votes during the process. Unlike Trump, who can only obsess about one thing at a time, Pelosi is able to walk, talk, and chew gum, at the same time. Women, by nature, are better able to multi-task than men, because we have to. Especially working women who are accustomed to balancing work obligations, managing family life and schedules, as well as meals laundry, etc., and social obligations, all while being perfectly groomed.

 

[LilOlLady]

I got caught with my hand in the cookie jar, but I did not want a cookie and I did not take a cookie.
I cannot wait to see Trump throw Rudy under the bus he has with his name on it.
What was Trump responding to when he said he "did not ask for nothing" "did not ask for a Quid pro quo ("a favor for a favor")
Why can't those close to trump be subpoenaed? Is it because they would under oath commit perjury?
What was Trump's interest in the company that Biden son worked for but no other companies?-

 

[Persistence Of Memory]

it's not an official impeachment. he isn't obstructing shit.

It's official. Refusing to comply with a subpoena issued by the house is obstruction whether this is an impeachment inquiry or not.

They challenged the subpoenas in court. Try to get some facts for once.

Just heard on NBC. The FBI is going to interview the whistleblowner..lol

Actually they asked, lawyers for the whistleblower are debating if they want them to. I have however personally no objection. If his identity could remain unknown in thé process, I wouldn't care if the house deposed him either. His original complaint has been verified by multiple witnesses, so I don't think he has more relevant things to say but sure. The problem is that Trump has already been caught on camera, implying he should get shot, and God knows, that there are plenty of people who would gladly do so.

I think it that was what they originally wanted, they have other questions.

I want Trump impeached and the Senate to ask Hunter and the Leaker what's up.

But on Dec 11, 2019. This will all be mute.

What I am most proud of as an American is that Sondlam's congressman told people to boycott and protest his businesses and the many threats he and his family have gotten. This makes me so proud of what America is really about. I bet it makes you even prouder right?

I want you impeached. you think I could do that? I have the same chance as the demofks and you're sorry traitorous ass.[/QUOTE]
Huh???...Lol. My posts are nothing but sarcasm and very dry humor[/QUOTE]
in your own mind[/QUOTE]
December 11, 2019.
Sorry I don't flame Popeye. To me, flamers express how unhappy they really are in life. Usually stuck in a dead end job. Had to settle for a spouse because that was it. Divorced. Drug habit.....etc
Not saying anyone is, but usually..............Bye

December 11, 2019

 

[Rye Catcher]

Ms. Hill is causing the White House and the Republican Members of the committee to shit their pants.

 

[LilOlLady]

Where is the corruption in the company that Biden's son worked for??? Unfounded fake news like the unfounded fake news about Hillary that put doubt in the minds of many voters. Trumps asking for an investigation into the company have worked because it has put doubt in the minds of voters.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I got caught with my hand in the cookie jar, but I did not want a cookie and I did not take a cookie.
I cannot wait to see Trump throw Rudy under the bus he has with his name on it.
What was Trump responding to when he said he "did not ask for nothing" "did not ask for a Quid pro quo ("a favor for a favor")
Why can't those close to trump be subpoenaed? Is it because they would under oath commit perjury?
What was Trump's interest in the company that Biden son worked for but no other companies?-

You can make a perjury charge against just about anybody. That's why Trump and his gang are not going to testify to anything. Now if this was a truthful hearing, perhaps. But given the fact the left has been calling for impeachment since before Trump entered the White House, and has been calling for impeachment ever since, it's clear this is yet another witch hunt to try and overturn an election, or at the very least, try to insure Trump is not successful in his reelection.

This is not about Trump doing something wrong, and then the House deciding on proper punishment. It's punishment they wanted to inflict since the beginning, and now trying to find a way to use it.

 

[Crixus]

Okay, so from the opening statement of both witnesses one can gather that they are very important (they were sure to let us know) and that they were mad because they weren't invited to the tea party.

 

[LilOlLady]

No, he just wanted Ukraine to say they were investigating Bidens. It didn't actually have to do it, just say it.

And where is the criminal act in that?

The criminal act was withholding the military aid in exchange for the announcement of an investigation.

I haven't watched the hearings today, but for a few minutes I had it on while waiting on someone.

One question comes to mind. In this case, could you honestly vote for impeachment of the Republican when the hearings did not allow Republican witnesses and the entire hearings were orchestrated by the Democrats?

The same questions come to mind if a Democrat was being charged with a crime targeting impeachment when the Democrats did not have the same rules as the Republicans?

So, as I hear this evening, maybe impeachment is appropriate, but the way the hearings were handled would make me either vote no or not be present.

What do you think? Try to be honest.

Yes definitely. I've seen enough testimony to convince me that Trump should be impeached. He will have a chance to present his witnesses in the senate trial.

That's how this process works. What we are watching right now is not the trial. That happens after the impeachment.

However, the GOP could attempt some sort of defense in the impeachment hearing. Too bad they chose to take a hard pass on that in favor of squawking and flapping their wings.

How is that a criminal act? We have no obligation to give them money. When we do give money, why would we give it to a country that reeks of corruption? When they start cracking down on corruption, then we’ll be willing to to give them aid. Nothing wrong, immoral, or illegal about it.

You also haven’t cited which law this supposedly breaks.

The fact that a corruption investigation would look bad for old Joe, isn’t an excuse to prevent such an investigation. Maybe if Dems don’t like being outted as corrupt then they shouldn’t be such corrupt assholes, eh?

Trump wanted dirt on his political opponent. He withheld congressionally approved military aid in order to force Ukraine to provide said dirt, or to pretend they would provide it via an 'investigation.'

That sure looks like bribery to me.

I don't need to cite a law, I am not a lawyer, nor am I in charge of any part of the impeachment process. I am an observer, nothing more.

About Joe Biden, why doesn't Trump demand his justice department open an investigation into Joe & Hunter? Why all the secrecy with the hidden call transcript and why all the arm twisting with the Ukrainians?

If there is “dirt” on Joe, it would only be there if he is guilty of corruption. Isn’t it in the interest of every voter to know if Joe was neck deep in Ukrainian corruption during his time as VP, especially if he is running for President?

Funny how informing the American people of Dem corruption is being defined as “bribery” for President Trump.

It’s Hillary Clinton all over again. You’re blaming President Trump or a foreign power of “election interference” simply for exposing actual Democrat corruption and crimes. You people can never hold your politicians accountable for their corruption and crimes.

He has not exposed anything because there is nothing to expose but to put doubt in the minds of voters. Trump gives new meaning to the word of corruption.