Occupy Wall Street: The Movement Grows

[Uncensored2008]

I look at all these protesters of OWS and I see an opportunity to make some money.

Think of something these whiny entitled pukes will buy and sell it to them.

That's how you don't end up holding a stupid sign and blaming everyone else for your failings.

Yeah, it's a great idea - BUT, selling weed, meth and X is illegal and could get you busted....

 

[Dragon]

I did not say 'forcibly overthrow'. I laid out a hypothetical. I'd like you to answer it as I laid out. It is a straightforward response....

Either:

a. I would not support the destruction of our Constitutional Republic

b. I would support the destruction of our Constitutional Republic in order to replace it with one based on a more socialist agenda.

Please define "our Constitutional Republic."

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

If you compare the two, both started out pretty much the same way, but I guess I can do the partisan thing and list all the groups they used in the beginning to get their message out there.

Like I said, do you guys know the definition of a grassroots movement?

They did not start the same way at all.

We never got any money to set up our tax day protests, later called the tea party, in april of 2009. Nor did we have any well funded groups to help us that first day. Money did not come into the tea party movement until well after the random protests all sprung up that april.

This wall street thing was organized from the beginning by groups, as evidenced in the links i already gave you, who receive money from billionaires and millionaires.

Thats the difference.

Really? Freedomworks was traced to the Tea Party in April 2009.

"FreedomWorks and dontGO seem to have taken ownership of the bulk of this coordination. The homepage of FreedomWorks' website now offers visitors a Google map of protests taking place across the country. They say they know of 600 Tax Day protests for which they are providing resources. The group has used its e-mail list to augment the work of dontGO, which created the website Patriot Action Network*|*We are united by our passion for re-establishing Constitution based liberty & limited government through dialogue,debate,legislation & elections. in February. dontGO, which was formed as an online rapid response team during the House of Representatives oil drilling debate last year, says it is "tracking" 700 events under its aegis. Americans for Prosperity says it has 24 state chapters that are organizing events. Overlap between all those numbers is quite likely: FreedomWorks told me a lot of its activity has been clueing its members to other protests in the area, so protesters can cooperate and conglomerate their events."
The Tea Party Movement: Who's In Charge? - Chris Good - Politics - The Atlantic


I already provided a link where it stated the Koch Brothers have donated 12 million to Freedom Works.


"FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity both originated from a campaign called Citizens for a Sound Economy, which split in two in 2004. CSE was set up by businessman David Koch (Koch Industries).[3] Citizens for a Sound Economy merged with Empower America in 2004 and was renamed FreedomWorks, with Dick Armey, Jack Kemp and C. Boyden Gray serving as co-chairmen, Bill Bennett focusing on school choice as a Senior Fellow, and Matt Kibbe as President and CEO.[4][5][contradiction] Empower America was founded in 1993 by William Bennett, former Secretary of HUD Jack Kemp, former Ambassador Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, and former Representative Vin Weber.[6] In December 2006, Steve Forbes joined the board of directors.[7]
The ‘Freedomworks’ name was derived from a common Armey saying: “Freedom works. Freedom is good policy and good politics.”

FreedomWorks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That publication has been a bit left of center and dishonest about the teaparties.

HOWEVER, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say what you say about the tea partys and Koch brothers is 100% accurate. Ok....you hear that right I'm saying the following comment is assuming you are 100% right about the tea parties.

That does ZERO to change the fact that these wall street protests are being funded by big money from the left, uber rich hollywood fat-cats, international investment billionare George Sorros, and a pletheora of other rich, elitist, liberal interest groups.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

They did not start the same way at all.

We never got any money to set up our tax day protests, later called the tea party, in april of 2009. Nor did we have any well funded groups to help us that first day. Money did not come into the tea party movement until well after the random protests all sprung up that april.

This wall street thing was organized from the beginning by groups, as evidenced in the links i already gave you, who receive money from billionaires and millionaires.

Thats the difference.

Really? Freedomworks was traced to the Tea Party in April 2009.

"FreedomWorks and dontGO seem to have taken ownership of the bulk of this coordination. The homepage of FreedomWorks' website now offers visitors a Google map of protests taking place across the country. They say they know of 600 Tax Day protests for which they are providing resources. The group has used its e-mail list to augment the work of dontGO, which created the website Patriot Action Network*|*We are united by our passion for re-establishing Constitution based liberty & limited government through dialogue,debate,legislation & elections. in February. dontGO, which was formed as an online rapid response team during the House of Representatives oil drilling debate last year, says it is "tracking" 700 events under its aegis. Americans for Prosperity says it has 24 state chapters that are organizing events. Overlap between all those numbers is quite likely: FreedomWorks told me a lot of its activity has been clueing its members to other protests in the area, so protesters can cooperate and conglomerate their events."
The Tea Party Movement: Who's In Charge? - Chris Good - Politics - The Atlantic


I already provided a link where it stated the Koch Brothers have donated 12 million to Freedom Works.


"FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity both originated from a campaign called Citizens for a Sound Economy, which split in two in 2004. CSE was set up by businessman David Koch (Koch Industries).[3] Citizens for a Sound Economy merged with Empower America in 2004 and was renamed FreedomWorks, with Dick Armey, Jack Kemp and C. Boyden Gray serving as co-chairmen, Bill Bennett focusing on school choice as a Senior Fellow, and Matt Kibbe as President and CEO.[4][5][contradiction] Empower America was founded in 1993 by William Bennett, former Secretary of HUD Jack Kemp, former Ambassador Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, and former Representative Vin Weber.[6] In December 2006, Steve Forbes joined the board of directors.[7]
The ‘Freedomworks’ name was derived from a common Armey saying: “Freedom works. Freedom is good policy and good politics.”

FreedomWorks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But that's a couple of years after the orginal TEA Parties started.

That doesn't matter, even if she is right it doesn't change any of the facts about this wall street thing being staged by the people with the money and power.

 

[Si modo]

I did not say 'forcibly overthrow'. I laid out a hypothetical. I'd like you to answer it as I laid out. It is a straightforward response....

Either:

a. I would not support the destruction of our Constitutional Republic

b. I would support the destruction of our Constitutional Republic in order to replace it with one based on a more socialist agenda.

Please define "our Constitutional Republic."

You don't know what a constitutional republic is?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

So, now this 'movement' is a grassroots one?

No. Really?

That's some funny shit.

It is just as grass roots as the Tea Party 2009 Tax Day protests.

So Luissa, who believes the tea parties are part of some big republican/right wing uber rich agenda also believes that the wall street protests are part of some big democrat/left wing uber rich agenda.

Good to know

 

[California Girl]

I did not say 'forcibly overthrow'. I laid out a hypothetical. I'd like you to answer it as I laid out. It is a straightforward response....

Either:

a. I would not support the destruction of our Constitutional Republic

b. I would support the destruction of our Constitutional Republic in order to replace it with one based on a more socialist agenda.

Please define "our Constitutional Republic."

Our: The United States of America

Constitutional Republic: a state where the head of state and elected leaders are representatives of the People,, governing by the existing Constitutional laws which limit the government's power over the People.

Standard definition of a Constitutional Republic - I find it slightly disconcerting that you need it to be defined for you.

 

[Si modo]

Sooooooo, no demands.

Ummm, and the point of the 'occupation' is what if you don't want anything?

Before I answer that question, I'm going to ask if you're ready now to acknowledge that Willow's question WAS like "are you still beating your wife." Because in the absence of demands that would destroy capitalism, her premise WAS false.

....

Ok.

You have no demands.

That is odd.

Now, to answer your question, the goal is to present a set of grievances and to start a dialog about how to solve these problems; to bring the excessive influence of corporate greed over the government, and the lopsided nature of our economy, and the decline of the middle class, and the end of the American Dream, into the open and show politicians that there is a big constituency that cares about these things.

Demands will come in time.

No demands - just want to open dialog.

OK.

I have to wonder with whom you (general you) want this dialog. Bums?

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

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Tides Foundation Connected to Day of Rage Against Wall Street - Associated Content from Yahoo! - associatedcontent.com <----tides foundation receives a ton of money from Sorros.

And this proves that people are PAID to be at OWS?

I said the organization of mobilizing the people and feeding them was being paid for by such groups.

 

[Si modo]

So, now this 'movement' is a grassroots one?

No. Really?

That's some funny shit.

It is just as grass roots as the Tea Party 2009 Tax Day protests.

So Luissa, who believes the tea parties are part of some big republican/right wing uber rich agenda also believes that the wall street protests are part of some big democrat/left wing uber rich agenda.

Good to know

Yeah, I saw that.

 

[California Girl]

Sooooooo, no demands.

Ummm, and the point of the 'occupation' is what if you don't want anything?

Before I answer that question, I'm going to ask if you're ready now to acknowledge that Willow's question WAS like "are you still beating your wife." Because in the absence of demands that would destroy capitalism, her premise WAS false.

....

Ok.

You have no demands.

That is odd.

Now, to answer your question, the goal is to present a set of grievances and to start a dialog about how to solve these problems; to bring the excessive influence of corporate greed over the government, and the lopsided nature of our economy, and the decline of the middle class, and the end of the American Dream, into the open and show politicians that there is a big constituency that cares about these things.

Demands will come in time.

No demands - just want to open dialog.

OK.

I have to wonder with whom you (general you) want this dialog. Bums?

There is a list of demands. real ones... not the embarrassing ones they accidentally issued.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

I look at all these protesters of OWS and I see an opportunity to make some money.

Think of something these whiny entitled pukes will buy and sell it to them.

That's how you don't end up holding a stupid sign and blaming everyone else for your failings.

Its funny you say that.

I was going to go to boston with 100 "**** Wall Street" T-shirts (red shirts, yellow lettering) and sell them for 10 bucks a pop up in boston saturday/sunday.

I can get em for $5/each so could make about $500 fast off these guys (by being a capitalist )

 

[CrusaderFrank]

OWS: It ain't the way I wanted it! I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!

 

[Si modo]

Before I answer that question, I'm going to ask if you're ready now to acknowledge that Willow's question WAS like "are you still beating your wife." Because in the absence of demands that would destroy capitalism, her premise WAS false.

....

Ok.

You have no demands.

That is odd.

Now, to answer your question, the goal is to present a set of grievances and to start a dialog about how to solve these problems; to bring the excessive influence of corporate greed over the government, and the lopsided nature of our economy, and the decline of the middle class, and the end of the American Dream, into the open and show politicians that there is a big constituency that cares about these things.

Demands will come in time.

No demands - just want to open dialog.

OK.

I have to wonder with whom you (general you) want this dialog. Bums?

There is a list of demands. real ones... not the embarrassing ones they accidentally issued.

This guy says there are not.

Hmmmmmm.

If they don't know what the **** they are doing, saying, or what they even want, how should anyone else?

Which makes them utterly pointless.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Tolerates them as opposed to what, taking them out and shooting them? How exactly would you suggest that this individual not be "tolerated"?

The Tea Party asks racists to leave.

It appears that you Marxists ask racists to lead......

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYfmShJe5MA]Proof That The TEA Party IS NOT Racist! - YouTube[/ame]

 

[WillowTree]

OWS: It ain't the way I wanted it! I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!

GodFather what can I do"

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

So, the OWS has no demands?

I've seen a semi-official list of grievances, but so far no demands, no. Were you thinking of that bogus list of 11 demands that someone or other posted on the OWS web site forum?

PICKET: Occupy Wall Street protesters post manifesto of &#39;demands&#39; - Washington Times

Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

These demands will create so many jobs it will be completely impossible to fill them without an open borders policy

Proposed List Of Demands For Occupy Wall St Movement! | OccupyWallSt.org Forum

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

I did not say 'forcibly overthrow'. I laid out a hypothetical. I'd like you to answer it as I laid out. It is a straightforward response....

Either:

a. I would not support the destruction of our Constitutional Republic

b. I would support the destruction of our Constitutional Republic in order to replace it with one based on a more socialist agenda.

Please define "our Constitutional Republic."

A constitutional republic is a state in which the head of state and other officials are representatives of the people and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over all of its citizens. Because the head of the state is elected, it is a republic and not a monarchy.

In a constitutional republic, executive, legislative, and judicial powers are separated into distinct branches.[1]

The fact that a constitution exists that limits the government's power makes the state constitutional. That the head(s) of state and other officials are chosen by election, rather than inheriting their positions, and that their decisions are subject to judicial review makes the state a republic.

Constitutional republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

It is just as grass roots as the Tea Party 2009 Tax Day protests.

So Luissa, who believes the tea parties are part of some big republican/right wing uber rich agenda also believes that the wall street protests are part of some big democrat/left wing uber rich agenda.

Good to know

Yeah, I saw that.

I was just playing along with her game

 

[California Girl]

Ok.

You have no demands.

That is odd.

No demands - just want to open dialog.

OK.

I have to wonder with whom you (general you) want this dialog. Bums?

There is a list of demands. real ones... not the embarrassing ones they accidentally issued.

This guy says there are not.

Hmmmmmm.

If they don't know what the **** they are doing, saying, or what they even want, how should anyone else?

Which makes them utterly pointless.

Well, there is a list. It's quite entertaining reading. You need to take a look at it. You'll laugh.