Occupy Wall Street: The Movement Grows

[geauxtohell]

Your tinfoil is showing under your toupee.

You know what the difference is between American and Japanese corrupt politicians?

Japanese politicians STAY bought.

Please, return to the comfortable confines of the Conspiracy Cloakroom. The US may not be perfect, but it isn't this phantom government 'gnomes of zurich/tri-lateral commission' bullshit.

Here's a better solution but it demands both accountability and a smarter populace. Force all giving to be transparent for everyone to see. No soft or bundled cash. No group, union or business money. No PACs or committees to hide intent. Give all you want, your name and address will be taken down as an individual. If you don't want bought politicians, find the ones who haven't been given millions if not billions of dollars by special interest.

Yes. Insult me. I am the real problem here. And keep chiping your $20 to your candidate of choice. McCain-Fiengold was just over ruled on. We haven't even begun to see the end of the wormhole.

Why would the right wing so vigourously defend the right of corporations to "be people" and buy and sell politicans and how did ordinary people get duped into thinking it was a good idea?

At any rate, I thought the problem here was people were bitching without offering any ideas? I am not opposed ot your idea. It's a good start.

 

[Big Fitz]

Your tinfoil is showing under your toupee.

You know what the difference is between American and Japanese corrupt politicians?

Japanese politicians STAY bought.

Please, return to the comfortable confines of the Conspiracy Cloakroom. The US may not be perfect, but it isn't this phantom government 'gnomes of zurich/tri-lateral commission' bullshit.

Here's a better solution but it demands both accountability and a smarter populace. Force all giving to be transparent for everyone to see. No soft or bundled cash. No group, union or business money. No PACs or committees to hide intent. Give all you want, your name and address will be taken down as an individual. If you don't want bought politicians, find the ones who haven't been given millions if not billions of dollars by special interest.

Yes. Insult me. I am the real problem here. And keep chiping your $20 to your candidate of choice. McCain-Fiengold was just over ruled on. We haven't even begun to see the end of the wormhole.

Why would the right wing so vigourously defend the right of corporations to "be people" and buy and sell politicans and how did ordinary people get duped into thinking it was a good idea?

At any rate, I thought the problem here was people were bitching without offering any ideas? I am not opposed ot your idea. It's a good start.

You should be used to it from the good ole days back on another forum. You're still a problem child. The white cat may be gone, but the same brain keeps knocking you around like a badminton birdy.

At least Citizens United fixed a major problem with campaign financing by allowing ALL corporations to support candidates fully, not just leftwing supporting unions.

All or none. That is my standard. Either everyone gets to play or nobody gets to play. the catch is, that money is still free speech and cannot be separated from money.

Of course, I will concede the right to ban corps from doing this if ALL soft and non personal monies are banned too. No unions, PACs, 927s, fund raising events bundling, group donations... nothing. Name, home address for everyone as individuals. You willing to accept those terms?

 

[Uncensored2008]

It's been planned since May as an attempt to collapse the market and the US economy so the radicals can seem rational in a time of crisis..

HEY

Collapsing the market and the US Economy is Barack Obama's job. The ONE job he is actually doing well...

 

[Big Fitz]

Here... Just in case you forgot who you were talking to.

 

[Big Fitz]

It's been planned since May as an attempt to collapse the market and the US economy so the radicals can seem rational in a time of crisis..

HEY

Collapsing the market and the US Economy is Barack Obama's job. The ONE job he is actually doing well...

Sorry, it's not a closed market. They've outsourced his position.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Why, this one, of course:

Labor Unions Join Occupy Wall Street for New York Rally - ABC News

Imagine that, SUEI moving in - who would have EVER guessed....

Like I said, the right has no clue whatsoever about this movement, and no understanding of where it's coming from or where it's going. None. A more complete failure to comprehend would be hard to imagine.

No wonder you're all so scared of it.

We know exactly what this is...

Gimmee Gimmee Gimmee

 

[Uncensored2008]

Nope, scared is exactly what it is. The wry amusement is merely a bold face put on fear.

Why would anyone be "scared" of a few doped out morons spewing incoherent demands that they get free houses?

The only thing to fear is ending up downwind from them.

 

[Trajan]

Your tinfoil is showing under your toupee.

You know what the difference is between American and Japanese corrupt politicians?

Japanese politicians STAY bought.

Please, return to the comfortable confines of the Conspiracy Cloakroom. The US may not be perfect, but it isn't this phantom government 'gnomes of zurich/tri-lateral commission' bullshit.

Here's a better solution but it demands both accountability and a smarter populace. Force all giving to be transparent for everyone to see. No soft or bundled cash. No group, union or business money. No PACs or committees to hide intent. Give all you want, your name and address will be taken down as an individual. If you don't want bought politicians, find the ones who haven't been given millions if not billions of dollars by special interest.

Yes. Insult me. I am the real problem here. And keep chiping your $20 to your candidate of choice. McCain-Fiengold was just over ruled on. We haven't even begun to see the end of the wormhole.

Why would the right wing so vigourously defend the right of corporations to "be people" and buy and sell politicans and how did ordinary people get duped into thinking it was a good idea?

At any rate, I thought the problem here was people were bitching without offering any ideas? I am not opposed ot your idea. It's a good start.

you appear to have a handle on what the problem is from their perspective, or 'problems' at large...(?)

if you were their spokesman, what would you say if asked to explain the platform?

 

[Katzndogz]

So far the occupiers have been allowed to have their little tantrum without opposition. No one has pushed back. When the grownups decide to take charge it might be different.

 

[geauxtohell]

has something changed recently?

........"war is a racket", Smedley Butler 1935. *shrugs*

A good speech. We are a capitalist system, so to some extent it's inevitable. However, the rise of the mega corporation has changed recently. It's akin to the tycoons the monopolies Teddy Roosevelt took down.

Who knows what would have happened had he no done that.

 

[Trajan]

Your tinfoil is showing under your toupee.

You know what the difference is between American and Japanese corrupt politicians?

Japanese politicians STAY bought.

Please, return to the comfortable confines of the Conspiracy Cloakroom. The US may not be perfect, but it isn't this phantom government 'gnomes of zurich/tri-lateral commission' bullshit.

Here's a better solution but it demands both accountability and a smarter populace. Force all giving to be transparent for everyone to see. No soft or bundled cash. No group, union or business money. No PACs or committees to hide intent. Give all you want, your name and address will be taken down as an individual. If you don't want bought politicians, find the ones who haven't been given millions if not billions of dollars by special interest.

Yes. Insult me. I am the real problem here. And keep chiping your $20 to your candidate of choice. McCain-Fiengold was just over ruled on. We haven't even begun to see the end of the wormhole.

Why would the right wing so vigourously defend the right of corporations to "be people" and buy and sell politicans and how did ordinary people get duped into thinking it was a good idea?

At any rate, I thought the problem here was people were bitching without offering any ideas? I am not opposed ot your idea. It's a good start.

You should be used to it from the good ole days back on another forum. You're still a problem child. The white cat may be gone, but the same brain keeps knocking you around like a badminton birdy.

At least Citizens United fixed a major problem with campaign financing by allowing ALL corporations to support candidates fully, not just leftwing supporting unions.

All or none. That is my standard. Either everyone gets to play or nobody gets to play. the catch is, that money is still free speech and cannot be separated from money.

Of course, I will concede the right to ban corps from doing this if ALL soft and non personal monies are banned too. No unions, PACs, 927s, fund raising events bundling, group donations... nothing. Name, home address for everyone as individuals. You willing to accept those terms?

I would.

I also think obama being the first to bail on the campaign financing was one irony overload and one of those early harbingers that people will say years later, 'we should have known right then and there Gertrude'...thats why the unions coming alive right now to exploit this should surprise no one.

these kids, waifs and older semi wastrels can do as they please, it makes me kind of wistful, my first election was ford/carter, so I clearly remember the 60's...*shrugs*


whats funny is, they sorta had a point, fantastic riches, but a huge war, 3 major assassinations...a president resigns in disgrace....it was a crazy time.

Now? with a man of the left as president on the receiving end of the greatest amount of cash ponied up by wall st. evah and deals with major Pharma, maybe they are really just dumbstruck.

 

[geauxtohell]

OWS idiot who doesn't realize one can acquire knowledge somewhere other than a college.

Capitalism doesn't work and neither does this guy.

Neither did any of the tea party crowd when they were holding their "wholesome and virtuous grass roots protests".

In fact, everyone should get back to work. Ignore the man behind the curtain. Work your menial jobs to secure a spot in the rapidly diminishing middle class so at 18 years you can get laid off with jack and shit as your job is outsourced.

Don't dare question the Princes of Capitalism about what's going on. They have nothing to do with it.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That's an exaggeration, but let's say that most Americans do have a few dollars invested in stocks. That changes nothing, of course. Investment in the stock market is not a binary function, and either-or, it's a more-less.

Most people don't want to burn down the house where they have their own stuff.

It's a funny thing.

On the contrary, the desire is to make sure that those who build and produce things -- the working class -- ARE represented fairly.

Ah yes, the nobility of labor, the Marxist staple. Digging a hole and filling it in is noble, for it is labor.

See if you can follow this;

Jose and Moonchild both get jobs as punch operators. Jose and Moonchild both show up the first day at 8:00 AM sharp. Jose gets out all of his tools and lays them neatly on the workbench so that they are ready when he needs them. Moonchild has his tools in the trunk of his Scion that his mom bought him. Jose starts to put a bit in the chuck and takes a key wrench from the bench to secure it. Moonchild looks at the bit an scratches his head, puts it in the chuck, where it promptly falls out and cracks both the bit and the dye below it. Moonchild decides to go look for tools in his trunk. Jose makes 500 parts before lunch. Moonchild finally finds the key wrenches, but forgot what size he needs, he goes back in and looks at the chuck again, then back to the car trunk to get the right size wrench. Time for lunch, the two take lunch and come back. Jose changes the bit to start the next job, using the tools beside him. Moonchild tightens the bit in the chuck and starts his first run, the bit and the dye break along the crack from being dropped and 40 parts are scrapped. Jose makes another 500 parts.

Now BOTH men have worked - so in your alleged mind, both should be paid the same. The fact that one man PRODUCED goods is irrelevant, it is the WORK that matters, not the value of that work.

The problem here is that the ones you are calling "those who build and produce things" aren't. They're the ones who OWN things, which is not the same.

Then why don't the ones who produce, just do it without the owners?

 

[Dragon]

Why would anyone be "scared" of a few doped out morons spewing incoherent demands that they get free houses?

The only thing to fear is ending up downwind from them.

They're not a few, they're in the thousands; they're not "drugged out morons," they're not demanding free houses.

The fact that you feel a need to mischaracterize them so blatantly is a sign that you are, indeed, afraid.

 

[FuelRod]

Here are some hilarious excerpts from a local article on the movement in my city insipired by the Wall Street protests:

Jarett Young works in a liquor store where people tell him every day that they hate their jobs and they're always broke and they have too many bills to pay.

"People work 30, 40 years of their life and have nothing to show for it, and people wonder why we have people who drink and do drugs," Young said. "There's gotta be a change."

Not too long ago these people were simply referred to as hobo's. Now they are thought to be some sort of pseudo-revolutionaries?

People with full time jobs, no matter how humble, were once considered "hobo's?"
really?
I can guess when this happened politically, but when did it happen locally, where you are?

To clarify I was referring to those in the Wall Street and local "occupy" encampments as hobo's.
I think it's funny that the examples used of those victimized by corporate America apparently have money for booze and drugs.

 

[geauxtohell]

Rrrriiiiiight.....

Painting your opponents as "crazed conspiracists" is unbecoming of you, and it does nothing to make a point.

Meanwhile, why are the tomatoes rotting in the fields of Georgia?

http://www2.dothaneagle.com/news/20...ing-fields-result-immigration-law-ar-2506936/

Can you connect the dots?

 

[Dragon]

Most people don't want to burn down the house where they have their own stuff.

Nobody involved in OWS wants to "burn down" Wall Street (or they'd have done it by now -- plenty of opportunity). They want to rein in its excesses and make it obey reasonable laws and rules.

Again, the fact that you feel a need to blatantly lie about what the movement is about is a sign of fear.

Jose and Moonchild both get jobs as punch operators

May as well stop there. You're drawing a picture of a conflict or competition between Jose and Moonchild, when the reality is that they're on the same side and the conflict is between them and the company they work for.

Then why don't the ones who produce, just do it without the owners?

Because our system is set up not to permit that.

 

[sitarro]

Can you imagine how many incredibly stupid names will be thought up for the kids that will no doubt be conceived at these "protest" parties?

 

[The Gadfly]

"Movement"? What movement?

Why, this one, of course:

Labor Unions Join Occupy Wall Street for New York Rally - ABC News

All I see, is a rabble of spoiled brat college kids (Lord, I wish we could bring back the draft, and give them a REAL reality check!), and a bunch of assorted losers and pseudo-intellectual radicals, all controlled by their puppetmasters in the Obama camp.

Like I said, the right has no clue whatsoever about this movement, and no understanding of where it's coming from or where it's going. None. A more complete failure to comprehend would be hard to imagine.

No wonder you're all so scared of it.

Scared of it? I'm laughing at it! The "movement" is nothing but a joke in bad taste, with the usual cast of reflexive-deomcrat-voting losers being manipulated by the Obama campaign. Transparent? To a fault! Shows the desperation of the Left; fearing loss of power at the polls, they are trying to incite riot. I know their sorry species from the sixties, which is where and how I learned to hate and despise what they are, and what they stand for. I have a long memory, and believe me, I know which side "welcomed" me and everyone else back from Vietnam with spit, curses, and jeers. I'll give you a hint: they WEREN'T conservatives! I'll forgive the Left, when the Jews forgive Hitler. Any and all of them, as far as I am concerned, were and are as much my enemy, as the VC and the NVA were. The Left spat on me then, and want to steal what I have lawfully earned now. To me, people who do that are not one's friends. Do excuse me, if I show my enemies the same tender concern and "compassion" they have shown to me. I will never aid any of them, or anyone who supports them! I do not give a rat's rear end what happens to them. And if they ever pick a REAL fight, I hope I am still able to pick up my weapon, and shout, "NO QUARTER!" before opening fire.

 

[FuelRod]

Can you imagine how many incredibly stupid names will be thought up for the kids that will no doubt be conceived at these "protest" parties?

Names like

Stock
Bond
Gold
T-Bill

as well as places frequented during the stay like

Happy Meal
Portapotty