Ocasio-Cortez defends $40 trillion price tag for progressive proposals

[Missouri_Mike]

LOL go for it demoquacks....just remember what happened in the 2010 midterms....the shellacking of all shellackings

But I thought all free shit was free.

Well....not so much it turns out.

we could have more money if we ended our free drug war; nothing but drug dependents is all we get.

AGREED.

Money saved by ending the drug war:

- millions fewer people incarcerated on non-violent, drug crimes.
- billions saved by law enforcement for more important crime 'fighting'.
- drug prices would drop drastically (probably by about 75% minimum), allowing users to make enough money doing regular jobs to feed their habit. This is not possible today - as most drug addicts have to do illegal activities to generate sufficient funds for their habits. These are not taxed - regular jobs would be...adding many, many millions to government coffers.
- organized crime would be weakened...making them easier/cheaper to fight.
- prostitution would be reduced. Most prostitutes are drug addicts. Make drugs legal, these people can then do regular jobs to pay for their habit. These jobs are taxed - prostitution is not. Bonus - less prostitutes and related crimes.
- now, legal drugs could be taxed by the government (like cigs and booze are now)...adding billions of government revenue.

Holy fuck! All we have to do to save a bunch of money on drugs is make it legal and suddenly these adicts are going to step up and be productive and make our socialist dreams possible.

You’re an idiot.

 

[Lesh]

Sanders pegs the price tag for his plan at $1.38 trillion per year during the first 10 years. This is based on an analysis by Gerald Friedman, an economist at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst.

However, "there is a great deal of disagreement and controversy" about this number, said Jonathan Oberlander, a health policy and management professor at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill.

Kenneth Thorpe, a professor of health policy and management at Emory University, put the cost at $2.4 trillion a year. A team from the Urban Institute put the number at $2.5 trillion a year. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget projected $2.8 trillion a year.

Seems to be some "difference" on costs

Oh and guess what? That money is ALREADY being spent. This would be a cost shifting.

 

[McRocket]

LOL go for it demoquacks....just remember what happened in the 2010 midterms....the shellacking of all shellackings

But I thought all free shit was free.

Well....not so much it turns out.

we could have more money if we ended our free drug war; nothing but drug dependents is all we get.

AGREED.

Money saved by ending the drug war:

- millions fewer people incarcerated on non-violent, drug crimes.
- billions saved by law enforcement for more important crime 'fighting'.
- drug prices would drop drastically (probably by about 75% minimum), allowing users to make enough money doing regular jobs to feed their habit. This is not possible today - as most drug addicts have to do illegal activities to generate sufficient funds for their habits. These are not taxed - regular jobs would be...adding many, many millions to government coffers.
- organized crime would be weakened...making them easier/cheaper to fight.
- prostitution would be reduced. Most prostitutes are drug addicts. Make drugs legal, these people can then do regular jobs to pay for their habit. These jobs are taxed - prostitution is not. Bonus - less prostitutes and related crimes.
- now, legal drugs could be taxed by the government (like cigs and booze are now)...adding billions of government revenue.

Holy fuck! All we have to do to save a bunch of money on drugs is make it legal and suddenly these adicts are going to step up and be productive and make our socialist dreams possible.

You’re an idiot.

Idiot? Hardly. My Government tested IQ is 125 (95'th percentile). Higher than yours I bet.


And where is your link to unbiased, factual proof that ANYTHING I typed in the post you quoted is wrong?

I guarantee that you cannot provide one. Which means your words mean NOTHING in that post.

 

[McRocket]

Sanders pegs the price tag for his plan at $1.38 trillion per year during the first 10 years. This is based on an analysis by Gerald Friedman, an economist at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst.

However, "there is a great deal of disagreement and controversy" about this number, said Jonathan Oberlander, a health policy and management professor at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill.

Kenneth Thorpe, a professor of health policy and management at Emory University, put the cost at $2.4 trillion a year. A team from the Urban Institute put the number at $2.5 trillion a year. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget projected $2.8 trillion a year.

Seems to be some "difference" on costs

Oh and guess what? That money is ALREADY being spent. This would be a cost shifting.

I am not buying Sanders numbers. And how much extra will that add to the yearly budget?

But forgetting Medicare...how EXACTLY are you going to pay for the other $800 billion PER YEAR that all of her other ideas will cost?

 

[danielpalos]

i don't have to worry about the entire month of April; i believe in making the other fellow resort to fallacy for His cause, first.

I am here for entertainment purposes. Your cause is supposedly capitalism, yet you are here defending socialism. No fallacy there at all.

why do you believe they are mutually exclusive in any mixed-market economy?

 

[Lesh]

Ohh no...an internet genius. Bet he has a 10 inch schwanze too

Putz

 

[Missouri_Mike]

But I thought all free shit was free.

Well....not so much it turns out.

we could have more money if we ended our free drug war; nothing but drug dependents is all we get.

AGREED.

Money saved by ending the drug war:

- millions fewer people incarcerated on non-violent, drug crimes.
- billions saved by law enforcement for more important crime 'fighting'.
- drug prices would drop drastically (probably by about 75% minimum), allowing users to make enough money doing regular jobs to feed their habit. This is not possible today - as most drug addicts have to do illegal activities to generate sufficient funds for their habits. These are not taxed - regular jobs would be...adding many, many millions to government coffers.
- organized crime would be weakened...making them easier/cheaper to fight.
- prostitution would be reduced. Most prostitutes are drug addicts. Make drugs legal, these people can then do regular jobs to pay for their habit. These jobs are taxed - prostitution is not. Bonus - less prostitutes and related crimes.
- now, legal drugs could be taxed by the government (like cigs and booze are now)...adding billions of government revenue.

Holy fuck! All we have to do to save a bunch of money on drugs is make it legal and suddenly these adicts are going to step up and be productive and make our socialist dreams possible.

You’re an idiot.

Idiot? Hardly. My Government tested IQ is 125 (95'th percentile). Higher than yours I bet.


And where is your link to unbiased, factual proof that ANYTHING I typed in the post you quoted is wrong?

I guarantee that you cannot provide one. Which means your words mean NOTHING in that post.

I’m shocked you put so much weight in how smart the government thinks you may be. They’re so smart and all.

 

[danielpalos]

O-C will just round up a herd of unicorns to ride out to the magic money trees and voila! everything is paid for.

if she cannot defend her policy;

why not a simpler is better approach?

a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage and unemployment compensation at the equivalent to fourteen dollars an hour for simply being unemployed in our at-will employment States.

 

[saveliberty]

Kids are being raised now by drug dependent kids...what is the difference. No one in their right mind is going to start heroin or crack for fun.
What injury claims? Obviously, if they go to work high - they get fired. Same as with drunks.
Less traffic deaths. Now addicts cannot get help for their problem because it is illegal...they risk jail time. If it were legal - they can get help for their problems.

And prove to me that the country will not save billions if currently legal drugs are legalized?

Ah, currently legalized drugs ARE legal.

I meant 'illegal' obviously...I changed it.

Kids are suppose to be raised by parents, not drug dependent kids as you stated.

Exactly how would more kids be raised by drug dependent parents if drugs were legalized then they are now?

Usually drug issues are found out AFTER an injury, not before.

LOL...obviously, you don't know much about illegal drugs. If someone is high on heroin or crack - there is NO WAY EVERYONE around them will not know about it. It's not like booze where a little is not always noticeable. If your ears are ringing from crack...you CANNOT FUNCTION...PERIOD. And heroin? Don't make me laugh. Some guy shaking and vomiting while on heroin is kinda gonna be noticeable.
Stick to what you know about - because serious drug use ain't it.

Addicts do not want treatment, they want drugs, that is why they're addicts.

I was a crack addict and every, single addict I ever knew wanted treatment. AND EVERY, SINGLE one of them wanted to quit. Almost no addict wants to be an addict. Just like almost every hard alcoholic does not want to depend on booze.

Prove that addicts don't want treatment...this should be good.


You are talking out of your ass and clearly have NO IDEA what being a drug addict is about.

You Make it sound like addiction will change when drugs are legal. It won't.

 

[Lesh]

Sanders pegs the price tag for his plan at $1.38 trillion per year during the first 10 years. This is based on an analysis by Gerald Friedman, an economist at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst.

However, "there is a great deal of disagreement and controversy" about this number, said Jonathan Oberlander, a health policy and management professor at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill.

Kenneth Thorpe, a professor of health policy and management at Emory University, put the cost at $2.4 trillion a year. A team from the Urban Institute put the number at $2.5 trillion a year. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget projected $2.8 trillion a year.

Seems to be some "difference" on costs

Oh and guess what? That money is ALREADY being spent. This would be a cost shifting.

I am not buying Sanders numbers.

But forgetting Medicare...how EXACTLY are you going to pay for the other $800 billion PER YEAR that all of her other ideas will cost?

And I'm not buying the Koch brothers claim

 

[saveliberty]

if she cannot defend her policy;

why not a simpler is better approach?

a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage and unemployment compensation at the equivalent to fourteen dollars an hour for simply being unemployed in our at-will employment States.

So use another money is free strategy....fail.

 

[danielpalos]

Ohh no...an internet genius. Bet he has a 10 inch schwanze too

Putz

On the Internet, I can be Den.

 

[McRocket]

Sanders pegs the price tag for his plan at $1.38 trillion per year during the first 10 years. This is based on an analysis by Gerald Friedman, an economist at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst.

However, "there is a great deal of disagreement and controversy" about this number, said Jonathan Oberlander, a health policy and management professor at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill.

Kenneth Thorpe, a professor of health policy and management at Emory University, put the cost at $2.4 trillion a year. A team from the Urban Institute put the number at $2.5 trillion a year. The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget projected $2.8 trillion a year.

Seems to be some "difference" on costs

Oh and guess what? That money is ALREADY being spent. This would be a cost shifting.

I am not buying Sanders numbers.

But forgetting Medicare...how EXACTLY are you going to pay for the other $800 billion PER YEAR that all of her other ideas will cost?

And I'm not buying the Koch brothers claim

Fine...don't - whatever the hell it is.

You did not answer my question.

How are you going to pay for the $800 BILLION extra dollars per year that the rest of her ideas will cost?

And - how much extra would Bernie's plan add to the national deficit every year?

 

[saveliberty]

why do you believe they are mutually exclusive in any mixed-market economy?

Deflect all you want.

 

[danielpalos]

Kids are being raised now by drug dependent kids...what is the difference. No one in their right mind is going to start heroin or crack for fun.
What injury claims? Obviously, if they go to work high - they get fired. Same as with drunks.
Less traffic deaths. Now addicts cannot get help for their problem because it is illegal...they risk jail time. If it were legal - they can get help for their problems.

And prove to me that the country will not save billions if currently legal drugs are legalized?

Ah, currently legalized drugs ARE legal.

I meant 'illegal' obviously...I changed it.

Kids are suppose to be raised by parents, not drug dependent kids as you stated.

Exactly how would more kids be raised by drug dependent parents if drugs were legalized then they are now?

Usually drug issues are found out AFTER an injury, not before.

LOL...obviously, you don't know much about illegal drugs. If someone is high on heroin or crack - there is NO WAY EVERYONE around them will not know about it. It's not like booze where a little is not always noticeable. If your ears are ringing from crack...you CANNOT FUNCTION...PERIOD. And heroin? Don't make me laugh. Some guy shaking and vomiting while on heroin is kinda gonna be noticeable.
Stick to what you know about - because serious drug use ain't it.

Addicts do not want treatment, they want drugs, that is why they're addicts.

I was a crack addict and every, single addict I ever knew wanted treatment. AND EVERY, SINGLE one of them wanted to quit. Almost no addict wants to be an addict. Just like almost every hard alcoholic does not want to depend on booze.

Prove that addicts don't want treatment...this should be good.


You are talking out of your ass and clearly have NO IDEA what being a drug addict is about.

You Make it sound like addiction will change when drugs are legal. It won't.

it is about not spending money on incarceration. more cost effective options become available.

 

[danielpalos]

if she cannot defend her policy;

why not a simpler is better approach?

a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage and unemployment compensation at the equivalent to fourteen dollars an hour for simply being unemployed in our at-will employment States.

So use another money is free strategy....fail.

nothing but spam?

 

[McRocket]

Well....not so much it turns out.

we could have more money if we ended our free drug war; nothing but drug dependents is all we get.

AGREED.

Money saved by ending the drug war:

- millions fewer people incarcerated on non-violent, drug crimes.
- billions saved by law enforcement for more important crime 'fighting'.
- drug prices would drop drastically (probably by about 75% minimum), allowing users to make enough money doing regular jobs to feed their habit. This is not possible today - as most drug addicts have to do illegal activities to generate sufficient funds for their habits. These are not taxed - regular jobs would be...adding many, many millions to government coffers.
- organized crime would be weakened...making them easier/cheaper to fight.
- prostitution would be reduced. Most prostitutes are drug addicts. Make drugs legal, these people can then do regular jobs to pay for their habit. These jobs are taxed - prostitution is not. Bonus - less prostitutes and related crimes.
- now, legal drugs could be taxed by the government (like cigs and booze are now)...adding billions of government revenue.

Holy fuck! All we have to do to save a bunch of money on drugs is make it legal and suddenly these adicts are going to step up and be productive and make our socialist dreams possible.

You’re an idiot.

Idiot? Hardly. My Government tested IQ is 125 (95'th percentile). Higher than yours I bet.


And where is your link to unbiased, factual proof that ANYTHING I typed in the post you quoted is wrong?

I guarantee that you cannot provide one. Which means your words mean NOTHING in that post.

I’m shocked you put so much weight in how smart the government thinks you may be. They’re so smart and all.

You shock easily - so noted.

What smart government? They (and school) gave me standard IQ tests...I scored 124-128 on all of them.


And you completely ducked my question...

And where is your link to unbiased, factual proof that ANYTHING I typed in the post you quoted is wrong?

 

[saveliberty]

it is about not spending money on incarceration. more cost effective options become available.

Oh I am all for making prisoners work in prison to repay their costs of incarceration and restitution to victims.

 

[saveliberty]

nothing but spam?

Go ahead report it as spam. Mods will see it as an accurate debate point.

 

[McRocket]

Kids are being raised now by drug dependent kids...what is the difference. No one in their right mind is going to start heroin or crack for fun.
What injury claims? Obviously, if they go to work high - they get fired. Same as with drunks.
Less traffic deaths. Now addicts cannot get help for their problem because it is illegal...they risk jail time. If it were legal - they can get help for their problems.

And prove to me that the country will not save billions if currently legal drugs are legalized?

Ah, currently legalized drugs ARE legal.

I meant 'illegal' obviously...I changed it.

Kids are suppose to be raised by parents, not drug dependent kids as you stated.

Exactly how would more kids be raised by drug dependent parents if drugs were legalized then they are now?

Usually drug issues are found out AFTER an injury, not before.

LOL...obviously, you don't know much about illegal drugs. If someone is high on heroin or crack - there is NO WAY EVERYONE around them will not know about it. It's not like booze where a little is not always noticeable. If your ears are ringing from crack...you CANNOT FUNCTION...PERIOD. And heroin? Don't make me laugh. Some guy shaking and vomiting while on heroin is kinda gonna be noticeable.
Stick to what you know about - because serious drug use ain't it.

Addicts do not want treatment, they want drugs, that is why they're addicts.

I was a crack addict and every, single addict I ever knew wanted treatment. AND EVERY, SINGLE one of them wanted to quit. Almost no addict wants to be an addict. Just like almost every hard alcoholic does not want to depend on booze.

Prove that addicts don't want treatment...this should be good.


You are talking out of your ass and clearly have NO IDEA what being a drug addict is about.

You Make it sound like addiction will change when drugs are legal. It won't.

Prove it? You clearly know almost NOTHING about hard drugs/drug addicts...so, where is your proof?

And I will ask you again...Prove that addicts don't want treatment.