Observations regarding the anti-gun crowd

[CMike]

Legally you can not purchase a handgun from a flea market. If you aren't purchasing it from a private citizen, the "person" must be a FFL, and licensed to sell handguns. You also have to go through a federal background check to get one. Also, you have to register your handgun with the police.

You do have to follow protocols. To buy a long gun you have to pass a background check. To buy a handgun the requirements are stricter.

Maybe where YOU live.
Here, we dont need to register anything, and the requirements for handguns are the same as long guns.

I am in Michigan, where are you?

 

[CMike]

What -I- find most amusing about the anti-gun crowd - especially the anti-gun crowd on this board - is your inabaility to engage in a knowledgeable, reasoned conversation about the issue. Your posts are full of strawmen, abject ignorance, unsound reasoning, non-sequitur and ad hom, all of which, of course, are useless for a meaningful conversation among adults.

If you are -so- right, why can you not present a sound, knowledgeable argument to back your position?

Can you give an example we can look at?

Happily.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-romper-room/149596-politicizing-a-tragedy-307.html#post3203798

And the person got the facts wrong too.

1) Its a magazine, not a clip

2) The magazine holds 33 rounds. For the Glock 19 you can get a 15, 17, or 33 round magazine.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Quick quiz. Which inflicts more damage? 338 Lapua mag or an assault rifle chambered in .223, 5.56. And, are these weapons currently automatic? Awww.....never mind.

Quick quiz. What has higher alcohol content: a 12oz bud, or a 12 oz. of Sam Adams (boston lager). Well anybody who doesn't know that right right away obviously should not be able allowed to voice their opinions on alcohol laws. And has obviously never drank alcohol before.

And I greatly fear the day they produce a plastic gun that does not show up on an x-ray, which seems inevitable to me.

We will cross that bridge when we get into it. In the meantime, I can't even get a bottle of water through the X Ray machine.

I think madeline meant metal detector. And obviously a plastic gun isn't realistic anytime soon.

Naww, I'm not going for some gotcha response. I was just wondering what people knew about the assault weapons law. BTW, which is stronger, a bud or sam adams? I like sam adams better.

 

[JamesInFlorida]

This is not at all true. Like most pro-gun people, I am willing to dicsuss any restriction that:
-Keeps guns from criminals
-Does not infringe on the right to arms.
Have any suggestions?

I think we could restrict who can sell firearms. I can go into the flea market up the road from me tomorrow and purchase a used firearm with no background checks, or criminal checks. They'd ask for my ID, to prove age, and that's pretty much it. This is how criminals can get their hands on guns easier. (this is just in Florida, I don't know the laws for other states).

I don't think it's unreasonable: do it like you do a liquor license. You make it so people have to follow protocols at making sure who's purchasing the gun is allowed to have one (aka-not a criminal), runs the ID, or information from the person into a statewide database, and they can instantly see if that person has been convicted of a felony before.

You also don't take the rights away from any law-abiding citizen. Like with alcohol you can purchase it from a place that has a liquor license, and as long as that place follows the law, they wont run into any problems with their license to sell.

Remember: the constitution states we have the rights to own firearms-not sell them.

Now I know, and understand that the criminal would just go and get them illegally from other areas, I don't dispute this. But this would at least make it harder for them to get their hands on it. While I think any law abiding citizen should be allowed to own

Legally you can not purchase a handgun from a flea market. If you aren't purchasing it from a private citizen, the "person" must be a FFL, and licensed to sell handguns. You also have to go through a federal background check to get one. Also, you have to register your handgun with the police.

You do have to follow protocols. To buy a long gun you have to pass a background check. To buy a handgun the requirements are stricter.

In the state of Florida you can buy a gun legally from a flea market. Not sure about your state.

Naww, I'm not going for some gotcha response. I was just wondering what people knew about the assault weapons law. BTW, which is stronger, a bud or sam adams? I like sam adams better.

Budweiser has more (not much). And yes Sam Adams is way better haha.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Legally you can not purchase a handgun from a flea market. If you aren't purchasing it from a private citizen, the "person" must be a FFL, and licensed to sell handguns. You also have to go through a federal background check to get one. Also, you have to register your handgun with the police.

You do have to follow protocols. To buy a long gun you have to pass a background check. To buy a handgun the requirements are stricter.

Maybe where YOU live.
Here, we dont need to register anything, and the requirements for handguns are the same as long guns.

I am in Michigan, where are you?

Ohio.

 

[bodecea]

What -I- find most amusing about the anti-gun crowd - especially the anti-gun crowd on this board - is your inabaility to engage in a knowledgeable, reasoned conversation about the issue. Your posts are full of strawmen, abject ignorance, unsound reasoning, non-sequitur and ad hom, all of which, of course, are useless for a meaningful conversation among adults.

If you are -so- right, why can you not present a sound, knowledgeable argument to back your position?

Can you give an example we can look at?

Happily.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-romper-room/149596-politicizing-a-tragedy-307.html#post3203798

I agree with you on that one post. But you did say "posts".

 

[M14 Shooter]

Can you give an example we can look at?

Happily.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-romper-room/149596-politicizing-a-tragedy-307.html#post3203798

I agree with you on that one post. But you did say "posts".

Sure. Read thru the rest of that topic.

Another:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...-it-about-the-anti-gun-crowd.html#post3199672

 

[Ernie S.]

Mini, I'm not anti-gun. I don't own one and never have, but I've considered it and if I wanted one, it's nice to know I could.

What I find aggravating is the pro-gun crew seems unwilling to discuss reasonable restrictions. Why must assault weapons be legal? Why do you need to be allowed to carry guns in churches, schools, government buildings or bars?

And I greatly fear the day they produce a plastic gun that does not show up on an x-ray, which seems inevitable to me.

Any time you create a "gun-free zone" you place law abiding citizens at greater risk. It would be nice if there was no need for self defense, but, you see, criminals, by definition break the law. What better place to shoot up a crowd of people than a spot where a crazy can be reasonably sure that no one will shoot back? Disarming sane, law abiding people only provides security for criminals

 

[bodecea]

Happily.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-romper-room/149596-politicizing-a-tragedy-307.html#post3203798

I agree with you on that one post. But you did say "posts".

Sure. Read thru the rest of that topic.

Another:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-a...-it-about-the-anti-gun-crowd.html#post3199672

I don't see that as someone anti-gun, wanting guns eliminated.

 

[NYcarbineer]

What -I- find most amusing about the anti-gun crowd - especially the anti-gun crowd on this board - is your inabaility to engage in a knowledgeable, reasoned conversation about the issue. Your posts are full of strawmen, abject ignorance, unsound reasoning, non-sequitur and ad hom, all of which, of course, are useless for a meaningful conversation among adults.

If you are -so- right, why can you not present a sound, knowledgeable argument to back your position?

I am for gun rights and own guns but I don't see a good reason not to restore the ban on high capacity magazines,

shall we debate that?

 

[NYcarbineer]

I think we could restrict who can sell firearms. I can go into the flea market up the road from me tomorrow and purchase a used firearm with no background checks, or criminal checks. They'd ask for my ID, to prove age, and that's pretty much it. This is how criminals can get their hands on guns easier. (this is just in Florida, I don't know the laws for other states).

The difference here is licensed dealers v private sales. Licensed dealers are currently required to follow exsting law regardless where they sell. The 'flea market' example, above, is almost certainly a private sale, and is then under the exact same restrictions as if you were to sell a gun to your brother while standing in your house.
You are suggesting that you should not be able to so sell a gun to your brother?

I can buy prescription drugs with a prescription but I doubt I'm allowed to resell them legally to someone without a prescription,

is that wrong?

 

[CMike]

Simple. If you are in a gun battle you may need high capacity magazines.

 

[dekonblue]

We need to quit labelling political ideals as conservative or liberal. President Obama is considered more of a conservative than President Bush. There are liberals and conservatives in the Democratic Party and there are liberals and conservatives in the Republican Party.As has been said we need to work together as Americans to make this a better a country. Use your tactics for election where isolated groups can agree with your ideals.

 

[uscitizen]

I agree, most anti-gun people are ignorant about guns (probably because they're obviously less likely to own themselves). I'm against making any new guns illegal-I think the guns that are currently available to the public are reasonable, and at a good level. Where I think we need to change things is that I don't think we should be able to bring a gun to public events-that's asking for trouble, and yes we should have security at those events in place so people can't get guns in.

We already ban guns at schools, and courthouses-and I think by allowing people to carry guns at those places isn't wise.

So in other words: I think people are the problem-not the guns. And there should only be a very small amount of places where we publicly limit where people can bring in guns, I just think that pubic political events happens to be one.

(private property I think it should be up to the owners of the property).

edit: so there's no non-liberal, but not really conservative either 2 cents on the issue.

It is a common failing in those that are anti someting.
Anti Gay for example?
I will bet that most anti gay folks have never tried gay sex.

 

[Ernie S.]

We need to quit labelling political ideals as conservative or liberal. President Obama is considered more of a conservative than President Bush. There are liberals and conservatives in the Democratic Party and there are liberals and conservatives in the Republican Party.As has been said we need to work together as Americans to make this a better a country. Use your tactics for election where isolated groups can agree with your ideals.

By who? Hmm your first post... Welcome. Now go sit at the kids' table.

 

[Ernie S.]

I agree, most anti-gun people are ignorant about guns (probably because they're obviously less likely to own themselves). I'm against making any new guns illegal-I think the guns that are currently available to the public are reasonable, and at a good level. Where I think we need to change things is that I don't think we should be able to bring a gun to public events-that's asking for trouble, and yes we should have security at those events in place so people can't get guns in.

We already ban guns at schools, and courthouses-and I think by allowing people to carry guns at those places isn't wise.

So in other words: I think people are the problem-not the guns. And there should only be a very small amount of places where we publicly limit where people can bring in guns, I just think that pubic political events happens to be one.

(private property I think it should be up to the owners of the property).

edit: so there's no non-liberal, but not really conservative either 2 cents on the issue.

It is a common failing in those that are anti someting.
Anti Gay for example?
I will bet that most anti gay folks have never tried gay sex.

I've never tried murder either but I'm not in favor of it.

 

[uscitizen]

I agree, most anti-gun people are ignorant about guns (probably because they're obviously less likely to own themselves). I'm against making any new guns illegal-I think the guns that are currently available to the public are reasonable, and at a good level. Where I think we need to change things is that I don't think we should be able to bring a gun to public events-that's asking for trouble, and yes we should have security at those events in place so people can't get guns in.

We already ban guns at schools, and courthouses-and I think by allowing people to carry guns at those places isn't wise.

So in other words: I think people are the problem-not the guns. And there should only be a very small amount of places where we publicly limit where people can bring in guns, I just think that pubic political events happens to be one.

(private property I think it should be up to the owners of the property).

edit: so there's no non-liberal, but not really conservative either 2 cents on the issue.

It is a common failing in those that are anti someting.
Anti Gay for example?
I will bet that most anti gay folks have never tried gay sex.

I've never tried murder either but I'm not in favor of it.

yeah it sucks even when your govt orders you to do it.
Been there done that.
My point is that people who are anti anything typically do not indulge in what they are anti of.
there are exceptions of course, Rush limbaugh is anti drugs, Larry Toetapper is anti gay, etc.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

I agree, most anti-gun people are ignorant about guns (probably because they're obviously less likely to own themselves). I'm against making any new guns illegal-I think the guns that are currently available to the public are reasonable, and at a good level. Where I think we need to change things is that I don't think we should be able to bring a gun to public events-that's asking for trouble, and yes we should have security at those events in place so people can't get guns in.

We already ban guns at schools, and courthouses-and I think by allowing people to carry guns at those places isn't wise.

So in other words: I think people are the problem-not the guns. And there should only be a very small amount of places where we publicly limit where people can bring in guns, I just think that pubic political events happens to be one.

(private property I think it should be up to the owners of the property).

edit: so there's no non-liberal, but not really conservative either 2 cents on the issue.

It is a common failing in those that are anti someting.
Anti Gay for example?
I will bet that most anti gay folks have never tried gay sex.

I've never tried murder either but I'm not in favor of it.

I hear ya. Getting teabagged in the face or mounted by bubba just ain't my cup of tea.

 

[skookerasbil]

Anti-gun = limpwrister Disney character

 

[skookerasbil]

We need to quit labelling political ideals as conservative or liberal. President Obama is considered more of a conservative than President Bush. There are liberals and conservatives in the Democratic Party and there are liberals and conservatives in the Republican Party.As has been said we need to work together as Americans to make this a better a country. Use your tactics for election where isolated groups can agree with your ideals.

talk about somebody living in the wrong state!!!!!!!!!!!