CDZ Obama Vs Guantanamo

[Samuel Nixon]

The politicians have been talking about closing Gitmo since 2006. Obama used a Guantanamo argument in his election campaigns, 2008 and 2012. But in the past 10 years nothing has really changed.

On the other side there are rock hard evidences that Obama knew about Gitmo tortures and even sanctioned them.

So now the govt started these talks again. And probably they'll move some prisoners to the inner American prisons. I understand that 52 prisoners wouldn't worsen the situation but the US already lies in the second place in the List of countries by incarceration rate. There are 2,217,000 prisoners in the country. Do we need more criminals and terrorists to live in our neighborhood?

Moreover I don't believe that Gitmo can ever be closed! It's too important for the CIA in their anti-terrorist conspiracy!
Obama aide Under new Gitmo plan some detainees would be sent to U.S.
List of countries by incarceration rate - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Stratford57]

Guantanamo, that's would be the best place to build Obama's future Library! Though Kenya would work as well.

 

[Josf]

The former idea of the "land of the free" (actual not counterfeit) included the land where people can find sanctuary from those who inflict cruel and unusual "punishment" a.k.a. torture.

Is it a matter of deception to presume that legal torture does not happen in America since, well, it is exported (extraordinary rendition), offshore, to a place foreign to the land of the free?

Sending people "found guilty" of consuming plants to a prison where said "guilty" plant consumer will likely be injured, even raped, which may be torturous to the "guilty" plant consumer, is a common occurrence here in the former land of the free. In fact said torture done to said individuals, as a general rule, comprises a great majority of the so called prison population; whereby those found "guilty" of consuming plants are almost certainly going to undergo a common transformation for those who experience systematic torture. Evil begets evil. Violence begets violence. Lies inspire lies. Institutionalized torture is common place here in the former sanctuary from institutionalized torture.

Common place, even on this forum, is character assassination, the willful choice - with malice aforethought - to injure people with false accusations.

That land of those who defended their freedom from institutionalized criminal injury, violence done freely upon innocent people by criminals who took over government, has become, routinely, the land of the worst liars hired to run the worst evil dictatorship, for a temporary feeling of false security, all as if there has never been a competitive option.

http://scholar.valpo.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1128&context=vulr

"The intelligence potential of a systematic interrogation effort was
also not lost on America’s adversaries in the twentieth century. Dulag
Luft, the Luftwaffe interrogation camp during World War II, proved to
be an irreplaceable source of intelligence on Allied air operations.
History has recorded the exceptional—and colorful—performance of
Hanns Scharff, an interrogator at the camp who deftly obtained high
value intelligence from Allied aircrews. His accomplishments would be
noteworthy if only for the incredible volume of intelligence he was able
to gather. Equally remarkable, however, were his methods. Rather than
compelling his prisoners to reveal classified data through the use of
coercive means (as some of his colleagues were known to employ in
ruthless fashion), his consistent success was the result of carefully
orchestrated, essentially amicable exchanges with his prisoners."

When the idea is to terrorize everyone, the means to arrive at that goal is to start torturing people publicly, and to show by that example what happens to anyone who does not obey direct orders without question.



Common practice today in America is forced confessions during "enhanced interrogation" techniques. The use of such tactics is even called "plea bargaining."

Argus tell us How the FBI solves its cases Gerry Spence s Blog

“Occasionally an agent subpoenas a document, and if things get boring a couple of honkies with the collars of their topcoats turned up and wearing snap-brimmed fedoras and imitation Porsche sunglasses corner a witness and scare the living shit out of him. But they don’t engage in detective work. They are merely getting things set up to make a deal.
“Now when the guy is ‘ripe,’ as the Bureau likes to phrase it, when the pressure has been on the suspect for Lord-knows-how-long, and the poor bastard has laid awake for six months staring up at the ceiling wondering how to convince his wife and his kids and the old folks at home that he is really innocent, when he gets up in the morning and the first thing that hits him is a ghastly fear that makes his heart beat out of sync, then like the Chinese water torture, the fear dripping down, the terror of the unknown having captured his mind, the pain of it, minute by minute, hour by hour, day after relentless day, wearing away at him until he has endured one drip too many, well, then he disintegrates into an inglorious pile of blubbering f*cking rubble at the feet of the FBI, and he’s ready for a deal!”

You get what you pay for:

 

[quorthon]

Now when Cuba is the US ally we would face less media coverage of everything what's going on in Guantanamo, I bet. If I was at the CIA wheel, I'd lift the base to some safe and unknown place and noone would hear about it anymore, but we'd keep our work in progress.

 

[waltky]

Pentagon holdin' up closure of Gitmo detention...

Pentagon thwarts Obama's effort to close Guantanamo
Mon Dec 28, 2015 - In September, U.S. State Department officials invited a foreign delegation to the Guantanamo Bay detention center to persuade the group to take detainee Tariq Ba Odah to their country. If they succeeded, the transfer would mark a small step toward realizing President Barack Obama's goal of closing the prison before he leaves office.

The foreign officials told the administration they would first need to review Ba Odah's medical records, according to U.S. officials with knowledge of the episode. The Yemeni has been on a hunger strike for seven years, dropping to 74 pounds from 148, and the foreign officials wanted to make sure they could care for him. For the next six weeks, Pentagon officials declined to release the records, citing patient privacy concerns, according to the U.S. officials. The delegation, from a country administration officials declined to identify, canceled its visit. After the administration promised to deliver the records, the delegation traveled to Guantanamo and appeared set to take the prisoner off U.S. hands, the officials said. The Pentagon again withheld Ba Odah's full medical file.

Detainees are seen inside the Camp 6 detention facility at Guantanamo Bay U.S. Naval Base in Cuba​

Today, nearly 14 years since he was placed in the prison and five years since he was cleared for release by U.S. military, intelligence and diplomatic officials, Ba Odah remains in Guantanamo. In interviews with multiple current and former administration officials involved in the effort to close Guantanamo, Reuters found that the struggle over Ba Odah's medical records was part of a pattern. Since Obama took office in 2009, these people said, Pentagon officials have been throwing up bureaucratic obstacles to thwart the president's plan to close Guantanamo.

U.S. President Barack Obama signs an executive order regarding the closure of the military prison at the U.S. military base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba on his second official day as president at the White House in Washington in this January 22, 2009 file photo.​

Negotiating prisoner releases with the Pentagon was like "punching a pillow," said James Dobbins, the State Department special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan from 2013 to 2014. Defense Department officials "would come to a meeting, they would not make a counter-argument," he said. "And then nothing would happen." Pentagon delays, he said, resulted in four Afghan detainees spending an additional four years in Guantanamo after being approved for transfer. In other cases, the transfers of six prisoners to Uruguay, five to Kazakhstan, one to Mauritania and one to Britain were delayed for months or years by Pentagon resistance or inaction, officials said.

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[jwoodie]

The politicians have been talking about closing Gitmo since 2006. Obama used a Guantanamo argument in his election campaigns, 2008 and 2012. But in the past 10 years nothing has really changed.

On the other side there are rock hard evidences that Obama knew about Gitmo tortures and even sanctioned them.

So now the govt started these talks again. And probably they'll move some prisoners to the inner American prisons. I understand that 52 prisoners wouldn't worsen the situation but the US already lies in the second place in the List of countries by incarceration rate. There are 2,217,000 prisoners in the country. Do we need more criminals and terrorists to live in our neighborhood?

Moreover I don't believe that Gitmo can ever be closed! It's too important for the CIA in their anti-terrorist conspiracy!
Obama aide Under new Gitmo plan some detainees would be sent to U.S.
List of countries by incarceration rate - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Is there a point to your post or is this more left-wing subterfuge? I notice that you have restricted access to your previous posts. I wonder why?