Obama Politics

[paddymurphy]

The left deliberately ties the hands of enforcement and then whines nothing can be done.

Actually, if you look at what the lefties say, the solution to illegal immigration is already on the books if Obama and Democrat-controlled states would just enforce the law... Here's where the LA Times tells about a report from a leftie group.

Immigration cases make up 40 of federal prosecutions study says - latimes

Until about a decade ago, most people prosecuted for immigration violations had criminal histories that included violent crimes or firearms offenses. Then federal prosecutors began taking more immigration cases in which the defendant had no prior convictions or a minor criminal record. A misdemeanor conviction for illegal entry is now enough to trigger a felony prosecution if the person is caught trying to enter the country a second time.

Illegal entry is a misdemeanor punishable by as much as six months in prison. Illegal reentry has a maximum sentence of two years, but prior criminal convictions can raise the limit to as many as 20 years. The number of federal prisoners serving time for immigration violations has grown to 22,526 in March 2013 from slightly more than 10,000 in 1999.

Prosecution rates vary greatly across border regions. In Southern California, only 7% of prosecutions are immigration-related. In the South Texas district, more than half of prosecutions are for immigration violations. In New Mexico, more than 70% of federal prosecutions are for illegal entry or reentry.

Thanks for pointing out that the feds are enforcing the law; are prosecuting immigration law violators.

 

[paddymurphy]

Paddy

Face it, if Obama wanted to address the problem, he would force local authorities to cooperate with ICE, instead of setting up sanctuary cities....

Anyone can see after the way Obama went after bakers for refusing to make gay wedding cakes (which wasn't even illegal), that the problem is selective enforcement by Obama's administration...

If Obama will try to tell local to change their policy...then you turn around he is a dictator. San Francisco has been a sanctuary city for a long time before you even heard Obama.
Obama never set up or created sanctuary cities. What in the world are you thinking? Your hatred and racism is taking over your brain. So is your buddy the OP.

Are sanctuary cities legal in the US? Show us where it's legal?

Show us where it is not.

 

[paddymurphy]

Yes:
Florida man guilty of illegal re-entry after deportation ICE

Mexican national sentenced for illegal re-entry ICE

Criminal alien sentenced to more than 7 years for illegal re-entry ICE

4-time deportee sentenced to 72 months for illegal re-entry ICE

http://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/f...s/immigration/2015_Illegal-Reentry-Report.pdf

Yes:
Florida man guilty of illegal re-entry after deportation ICE

Mexican national sentenced for illegal re-entry ICE

Criminal alien sentenced to more than 7 years for illegal re-entry ICE

4-time deportee sentenced to 72 months for illegal re-entry ICE

http://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/f...s/immigration/2015_Illegal-Reentry-Report.pdf

Why are they coming back?

For the same reason they came in the first place: it is better here. Or, did you not realize that America is a great nation with tons of opportunity?

He was asked why he came back in a news conference and he said "To look for work. To be a cook or a landscaper or a laborer or other occupation." Bless his heart. I doubt if he ever had an honest job in his life. And why, paddymurphy , are you defending this piece of shit as though your life depended on it? Throwing him in a hogpen would be appropriate. Or into an alligator swamp.

Did not defend him, you senile old faker. Simply pointed out the lies told by those who think like you.

Sounds like you're defending him to anyone who reads your tripe.

Only to senile old fake soldiers like you. To anyone with a fully functioning intellect, I answered the question asked about whether there were prosecutions of repeat offenders.

 

[Flash Farley]

And has anyone heard about Obama going after people that have been deported coming back (and doing so multiple times)???

Illegal Reentry into the U.S. After Removal Crime and Punishment - FindLaw

After an alien has been legally "removed" from the United States, federal criminal law makes it a felony for that alien to reenter (or be found in) the country without approval of the government.

What Constitutes "Illegal Reentry"?

Under the applicable federal criminal statute, the Immigration and Nationality Act, it is not merely illegal reentry after removal that constitutes the crime. Rather, the law applies to any alien who reenters the U.S. or is found within the country, without government approval, after having been:

• Denied admission to the U.S.;
  
  
  
• Excluded from the U.S.;
  
  
  
• Deported from the U.S.;
  
  
  
• Removed from the U.S.; or
  
  
  
• Departed from the U.S. while an order of exclusion, deportation, or removal is outstanding.

Penalties for Illegal Reentry

Under relevant federal statutes, an alien who commits illegal reentry as described above will be punished with:

• A fine; or
  
  
  
• Imprisonment for not more than two years; or
  
  
  
• Both fine and imprisonment.

Penalty Enhancements for Prior Criminal Convictions

If the alien reenters or is found in the U.S. without government approval, after a criminal felony conviction for a non-aggravated felony, or after three or more misdemeanor convictions for drug-related crimes or crimes against persons, he or she is subject punishment by:

• A fine; or
  
  
  
• Imprisonment for not more than 10 years; or
  
  
  
• Both fine and imprisonment

For aliens reentering or found in the U.S. without government approval, after a criminal conviction for an aggravated felony, the statutory maximum term of imprisonment is 20 years. Other criminal penalty increases may be imposed for aliens who have been removed after certain kinds of incarceration, and aliens deemed to be associated with terrorism.

Yes:
Florida man guilty of illegal re-entry after deportation ICE

Mexican national sentenced for illegal re-entry ICE

Criminal alien sentenced to more than 7 years for illegal re-entry ICE

4-time deportee sentenced to 72 months for illegal re-entry ICE

http://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/f...s/immigration/2015_Illegal-Reentry-Report.pdf

And has anyone heard about Obama going after people that have been deported coming back (and doing so multiple times)???

Illegal Reentry into the U.S. After Removal Crime and Punishment - FindLaw

After an alien has been legally "removed" from the United States, federal criminal law makes it a felony for that alien to reenter (or be found in) the country without approval of the government.

What Constitutes "Illegal Reentry"?

Under the applicable federal criminal statute, the Immigration and Nationality Act, it is not merely illegal reentry after removal that constitutes the crime. Rather, the law applies to any alien who reenters the U.S. or is found within the country, without government approval, after having been:

• Denied admission to the U.S.;
  
  
  
• Excluded from the U.S.;
  
  
  
• Deported from the U.S.;
  
  
  
• Removed from the U.S.; or
  
  
  
• Departed from the U.S. while an order of exclusion, deportation, or removal is outstanding.

Penalties for Illegal Reentry

Under relevant federal statutes, an alien who commits illegal reentry as described above will be punished with:

• A fine; or
  
  
  
• Imprisonment for not more than two years; or
  
  
  
• Both fine and imprisonment.

Penalty Enhancements for Prior Criminal Convictions

If the alien reenters or is found in the U.S. without government approval, after a criminal felony conviction for a non-aggravated felony, or after three or more misdemeanor convictions for drug-related crimes or crimes against persons, he or she is subject punishment by:

• A fine; or
  
  
  
• Imprisonment for not more than 10 years; or
  
  
  
• Both fine and imprisonment

For aliens reentering or found in the U.S. without government approval, after a criminal conviction for an aggravated felony, the statutory maximum term of imprisonment is 20 years. Other criminal penalty increases may be imposed for aliens who have been removed after certain kinds of incarceration, and aliens deemed to be associated with terrorism.

Yes:
Florida man guilty of illegal re-entry after deportation ICE

Mexican national sentenced for illegal re-entry ICE

Criminal alien sentenced to more than 7 years for illegal re-entry ICE

4-time deportee sentenced to 72 months for illegal re-entry ICE

http://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/f...s/immigration/2015_Illegal-Reentry-Report.pdf

Why are they coming back?

For the same reason they came in the first place: it is better here. Or, did you not realize that America is a great nation with tons of opportunity?

So Obama is unable to shut this down?

No President has been able to completely end illegal immigration. This one has been better than most.

Are you agreeable to ending the sanctuary cities status?

 

[paddymurphy]

Yes:
Florida man guilty of illegal re-entry after deportation ICE

Mexican national sentenced for illegal re-entry ICE

Criminal alien sentenced to more than 7 years for illegal re-entry ICE

4-time deportee sentenced to 72 months for illegal re-entry ICE

http://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/f...s/immigration/2015_Illegal-Reentry-Report.pdf

Yes:
Florida man guilty of illegal re-entry after deportation ICE

Mexican national sentenced for illegal re-entry ICE

Criminal alien sentenced to more than 7 years for illegal re-entry ICE

4-time deportee sentenced to 72 months for illegal re-entry ICE

http://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/f...s/immigration/2015_Illegal-Reentry-Report.pdf

Why are they coming back?

For the same reason they came in the first place: it is better here. Or, did you not realize that America is a great nation with tons of opportunity?

So Obama is unable to shut this down?

No President has been able to completely end illegal immigration. This one has been better than most.

Are you agreeable to ending the sanctuary cities status?

No. The cities should be allowed to decide how to use their resources in fighting crime. Chasing after the vast majority of illegals who live law abiding lives once they get here, who work, pay taxes, raise good families and add to our economy is a waste of resources.

 

[Obiwan]

Sanctuary cities are illegal...

Sanctuary city sanctuary sanctuary cities sanctuary city list list of sanctuary cities list Ohio jobs OJJPAC justice illegal alien immigration amnesty undocumented ICE NYC IIRIRA Huston Chicago Phoenix Steve Salvi

Despite a 1996 federal law [the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act ( IIRIRA )] that requires local governments to cooperate with Department of Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), many large urban cities (and some small) have adopted so-called "sanctuary" policies. Generally, sanctuary policies instruct city employees not to notify the federal government of the presence of illegal aliens living in their communities. The policies also end the distinction between legal resident aliens and illegal aliens--so illegal aliens often benefit from taxpayer funded government services and programs too.

 

[Flash Farley]

Why are they coming back?

For the same reason they came in the first place: it is better here. Or, did you not realize that America is a great nation with tons of opportunity?

So Obama is unable to shut this down?

No President has been able to completely end illegal immigration. This one has been better than most.

Are you agreeable to ending the sanctuary cities status?

No. The cities should be allowed to decide how to use their resources in fighting crime. Chasing after the vast majority of illegals who live law abiding lives once they get here, who work, pay taxes, raise good families and add to our economy is a waste of resources.

You're the problem. How about using resources to stop the flow.

 

[Obiwan]

Paddy

I'm not denying that there has been some enforcement.

The problem is the fact that the number of cases where the law is not enforced is a lot higher.

 

[Hossfly]

Why are they coming back?

For the same reason they came in the first place: it is better here. Or, did you not realize that America is a great nation with tons of opportunity?

He was asked why he came back in a news conference and he said "To look for work. To be a cook or a landscaper or a laborer or other occupation." Bless his heart. I doubt if he ever had an honest job in his life. And why, paddymurphy , are you defending this piece of shit as though your life depended on it? Throwing him in a hogpen would be appropriate. Or into an alligator swamp.

Did not defend him, you senile old faker. Simply pointed out the lies told by those who think like you.

Sounds like you're defending him to anyone who reads your tripe.

Only to senile old fake soldiers like you. To anyone with a fully functioning intellect, I answered the question asked about whether there were prosecutions of repeat offenders.

Fake soldier? Don't go there, Commie.

 

[paddymurphy]

For the same reason they came in the first place: it is better here. Or, did you not realize that America is a great nation with tons of opportunity?

He was asked why he came back in a news conference and he said "To look for work. To be a cook or a landscaper or a laborer or other occupation." Bless his heart. I doubt if he ever had an honest job in his life. And why, paddymurphy , are you defending this piece of shit as though your life depended on it? Throwing him in a hogpen would be appropriate. Or into an alligator swamp.

Did not defend him, you senile old faker. Simply pointed out the lies told by those who think like you.

Sounds like you're defending him to anyone who reads your tripe.

Only to senile old fake soldiers like you. To anyone with a fully functioning intellect, I answered the question asked about whether there were prosecutions of repeat offenders.

Fake soldier? Don't go there, Commie.

You clearly are a fake. You must shop at Army/Stores. No one as ignorant of the principles upon which that nation was founded could possibly have been allowed to serve. Now, maybe you were a boy scout as a child and got to wear a uniform then. As an adult? The military has never been that desperate.

 

[paddymurphy]

For the same reason they came in the first place: it is better here. Or, did you not realize that America is a great nation with tons of opportunity?

So Obama is unable to shut this down?

No President has been able to completely end illegal immigration. This one has been better than most.

Are you agreeable to ending the sanctuary cities status?

No. The cities should be allowed to decide how to use their resources in fighting crime. Chasing after the vast majority of illegals who live law abiding lives once they get here, who work, pay taxes, raise good families and add to our economy is a waste of resources.

You're the problem. How about using resources to stop the flow.

So, San Francisco should send resources to the border?

 

[paddymurphy]

Paddy

I'm not denying that there has been some enforcement.

The problem is the fact that the number of cases where the law is not enforced is a lot higher.

There has been enough enforcement. They do a good job. Simply because some people get through does not mean that they are not.

 

[Flash Farley]

So Obama is unable to shut this down?

No President has been able to completely end illegal immigration. This one has been better than most.

Are you agreeable to ending the sanctuary cities status?

No. The cities should be allowed to decide how to use their resources in fighting crime. Chasing after the vast majority of illegals who live law abiding lives once they get here, who work, pay taxes, raise good families and add to our economy is a waste of resources.

You're the problem. How about using resources to stop the flow.

So, San Francisco should send resources to the border?

Get rid of sanctuary city policy. Stop giving law breakers a safe haven. Sheesh.

 

[paddymurphy]

Sanctuary cities are illegal...

Sanctuary city sanctuary sanctuary cities sanctuary city list list of sanctuary cities list Ohio jobs OJJPAC justice illegal alien immigration amnesty undocumented ICE NYC IIRIRA Huston Chicago Phoenix Steve Salvi

Despite a 1996 federal law [the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act ( IIRIRA )] that requires local governments to cooperate with Department of Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), many large urban cities (and some small) have adopted so-called "sanctuary" policies. Generally, sanctuary policies instruct city employees not to notify the federal government of the presence of illegal aliens living in their communities. The policies also end the distinction between legal resident aliens and illegal aliens--so illegal aliens often benefit from taxpayer funded government services and programs too.

Not illegal. If they are then why haven't you right wingers taken them to court?

 

[Obiwan]

Paddy

Why doesn't Obama enforce the law like he swore to do???

City and state governments are required by federal law to work with ICE, and yet Obozo allows them to refuse to do that.

 

[charwin95]

Charwin

List the qualifications and give us a link.

Obiwan, I do not need to give you a link. You can google it yourself.

So you have nothing to back up your statement.....

FAIL!!!!!!!

Fail for you because you don't even bother to research before babling about amnesty.

 

[Obiwan]

Charwin

You evidently don't understand the principals of debate... You tried to make a point, I asked for information via a link, and you had none.... Ergo, you lose.

 

[paddymurphy]

Paddy

Why doesn't Obama enforce the law like he swore to do???

City and state governments are required by federal law to work with ICE, and yet Obozo allows them to refuse to do that.

He does. You idiots seem to think he has no discretion as to where to put the resources. The laws he is enforcing give the ICE the discretion as to where to focus their enforcement. Those who commit serious crimes while here are prosecuted and/or deported. Those who do not or who get caught with Pot or who shoplift, are not. Just like every president before him did, this president has his ICE use the discretion the law gives them.

 

[Hossfly]

He was asked why he came back in a news conference and he said "To look for work. To be a cook or a landscaper or a laborer or other occupation." Bless his heart. I doubt if he ever had an honest job in his life. And why, paddymurphy , are you defending this piece of shit as though your life depended on it? Throwing him in a hogpen would be appropriate. Or into an alligator swamp.

Did not defend him, you senile old faker. Simply pointed out the lies told by those who think like you.

Sounds like you're defending him to anyone who reads your tripe.

Only to senile old fake soldiers like you. To anyone with a fully functioning intellect, I answered the question asked about whether there were prosecutions of repeat offenders.

Fake soldier? Don't go there, Commie.

You clearly are a fake. You must shop at Army/Stores. No one as ignorant of the principles upon which that nation was founded could possibly have been allowed to serve. Now, maybe you were a boy scout as a child and got to wear a uniform then. As an adult? The military has never been that desperate.

Are you serious? Do you want to pursue this any further?

 

[charwin95]

Charwin

You evidently don't understand the principals of debate... You tried to make a point, I asked for information via a link, and you had none.... Ergo, you lose.

Obiwan... I don't even consider this a debate anymore because you muddled your brain with hatred. It's worthless. I'm just telling you the reality.