NYTimes Has Epiphany!

[Soggy in NOLA]

It made it's "boo-boo" in 2004, when Bush (the decider) won a close election. He went on to spend all that "political capital" further destroying the country while "deciding" not to get Bin Laden.

The real mistake was putting John "Possibly the Worst Candidate in Modern Political History" Kerry up as the other option. Bush owes a lot of his victory in 2004 to folks that were just to excited to start attacking Bush that they short changed the nomination process.

Given they choice between Kerry and Bush, I don't regret my vote for Bush.

McCain made a similar mistake when he picked Palin. That might have been a close election for a while there.

You, like so many others, have a problem with a strong, beautiful woman who also happened to have a tremendous amount of life experience. Much more experience than the idiot who was shoved through harvard law school by ultra liberal tenured teachers and became a community vote buyer and eventually cheated his way into the state senate. It's obvious why Barry hasn't allowed anyone to see his school writings.

I'm betting "Green Eggs and Ham" would be a more intelligent read than Barry's missives.

 

[Sallow]

Romney's just a bit stronger then Perry. And both are very weak.

Asinine statement as usual. I suppose the emptier suit than we even imagined, O'Bamma, is a strong President to you?

President Obama has been largely sucessful in passing a good deal of the bills he wanted to see passed, he oversaw the operation to kill Bin Laden, got a new nuke treaty with Russia and has the world sorta is liking us again.

He's been pretty strong.

What he is facing is obstuctionists worse then the ones that tried to nullify the last Democratic Presidency.

It's a tough slog.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Romney's just a bit stronger then Perry. And both are very weak.

Asinine statement as usual. I suppose the emptier suit than we even imagined, O'Bamma, is a strong President to you?

He'll respond as usual with some shit about Bin Laden and all of Obama's sucesses... blah blah blah.

Never mind reality which is that Obama is an abysmal failure.

 

[Sallow]

Romney's just a bit stronger then Perry. And both are very weak.

Asinine statement as usual. I suppose the emptier suit than we even imagined, O'Bamma, is a strong President to you?

He'll respond as usual with some shit about Bin Laden and all of Obama's sucesses... blah blah blah.

Never mind reality which is that Obama is an abysmal failure.

Well we have different opinions of success and failure.

You believe that making oil companies obscenely rich, breaking the back of the American economy, having the entire world hate us, attacking the wrong country, watching several large and very old financial companies completely fail, lying to the American people, increasing the debt and deficit after being handed a surplus, having an historic terrorist attack happen, violating the constitution notably by torturing people and using illegal wiretaps, and celebrating a birthday while 1800 people die in flood waters to be a raging success.

I don't.

Bush sucked..and sucked hard.

 

[Lakhota]

By Andrew Sullivan: The Dish

If you ask why I remain such a strong Obama supporter, it is because I see him as that rare individual able to withstand the zeal without becoming a zealot in response, and to overcome the recklessness of pure religious ideology with pragmatism, civility and reason. That's why they fear and loathe him. Not because his policies are not theirs'. But because his temperament is their nemesis. If he defeats them next year, they will break, because their beliefs are so brittle, but will then reform, along Huntsman-style lines. If they defeat him, I fear we will no longer be participating in a civil conversation, however fraught, but in a civil war.

More: Republicanism As Religion - The Dish | By Andrew Sullivan - The Daily Beast

 

[Dr.Traveler]

You, like so many others, have a problem with a strong, beautiful woman who also happened to have a tremendous amount of life experience. Much more experience than the idiot who was shoved through harvard law school by ultra liberal tenured teachers and became a community vote buyer and eventually cheated his way into the state senate. It's obvious why Barry hasn't allowed anyone to see his school writings.

I have a strong dislike for stupid. I'm married to a strong beautiful intelligent woman and wouldn't have ever considered any one else.

 

[ClosedCaption]

I read the OP but didn't find the "epiphany" from the title.?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I read the OP but didn't find the "epiphany" from the title.?

epiphany

Definition

A sudden realization about the nature or meaning of something. An epiphany can often come about due to some experience that may trigger the sudden realization. What is epiphany? definition and meaning

Does that help?

 

[sitarro]

You, like so many others, have a problem with a strong, beautiful woman who also happened to have a tremendous amount of life experience. Much more experience than the idiot who was shoved through harvard law school by ultra liberal tenured teachers and became a community vote buyer and eventually cheated his way into the state senate. It's obvious why Barry hasn't allowed anyone to see his school writings.

I have a strong dislike for stupid. I'm married to a strong beautiful intelligent woman and wouldn't have ever considered any one else.

Whatever, on a different subject, what do you think of Herman Cain? I've noticed the word mathematician under your screen name and I'm curious what your take on Mr. Cain is, his degree is in Mathematics and worked with the U.S. Navy in ballistics while attending Purdue to earn a Masters in Computer Science.

 

[sitarro]

Romney's just a bit stronger then Perry. And both are very weak.

Asinine statement as usual. I suppose the emptier suit than we even imagined, O'Bamma, is a strong President to you?

President Obama has been largely sucessful in passing a good deal of the bills he wanted to see passed, he oversaw the operation to kill Bin Laden, got a new nuke treaty with Russia and has the world sorta is liking us again.

He's been pretty strong.

What he is facing is obstuctionists worse then the ones that tried to nullify the last Democratic Presidency.

It's a tough slog.

Gee, as I would have guessed and many are now confirming, the first gay president did not oversee the killing of Bin Laden. Hillary had more balls and Panetta had a lot more to do with the actual operation. This "Live Leaks article states what many others are saying.

LiveLeak.com - White House Insider: Obama Hesitated ? Panetta Issued Order to Kill Osama Bin Laden Read more: http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obam

Q: You stated that President Obama was “overruled” by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?
A: I was told – in these exact terms, “we overruled him.” (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent hesitation to act.” There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.

I was correct in stating there had been a push to invade the compound for several weeks if not months, primarily led by Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim Clapper. The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty within President Obama. Obama would meet with various components of the pro-invasion faction, almost always with Jarrett present, and then often fail to indicate his position. This situation continued for some time, though the division between Jarrett/Obama and the rest intensified more recently, most notably from Hillary Clinton. She was livid over the president’s failure to act, and her office began a campaign of anonymous leaks to the media indicating such. As for Jarrett, her concern rested on two primary fronts. One, that the military action could fail and harm the president’s already weakened standing with both the American public and the world. Second, that the attack would be viewed as an act of aggression against Muslims, and further destabilize conditions in the Middle East.

Q: What changed the president’s position and enabled the attack against Osama Bin Laden to proceed?
A: Nothing changed with the president’s opinion – he continued to avoid having one. Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress in forming a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again. Hillary started the ball really rolling as far as pressuring Obama began, but it was Panetta and Petraeus who ultimately pushed Obama to finally act – sort of. Panetta was receiving significant reports from both his direct CIA sources, as well as Petraeus-originating Intel. Petraeus was threatening to act on his own via a bombing attack. Panetta reported back to the president that a bombing of the compound would result in successful killing of Osama Bin Laden, and little risk to American lives. Initially, as he had done before, the president indicated a willingness to act. But once again, Jarrett intervened, convincing the president that innocent Pakistani lives could be lost in such a bombing attack, and Obama would be left attempting to explain Panetta’s failed policy. Again Obama hesitated – this time openly delaying further meetings to discuss the issue with Panetta. A brief meeting was held at this time with other officials, including Secretary Gates and members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but Gates, like Panetta, was unable to push the president to act. It was at this time that Gates indicated to certain Pentagon officials that he may resign earlier than originally indicated – he was that frustrated. Both Panetta and Clinton convinced him to stay on and see the operation through.

What happened from there is what was described by me as a “masterful manipulation” by Leon Panetta. Panetta indicated to Obama that leaks regarding knowledge of Osama Bin Laden’s location were certain to get out sooner rather than later, and action must be taken by the administration or the public backlash to the president’s inaction would be “…significant to the point of political debilitation.” It was at that time that Obama stated an on-ground campaign would be far more acceptable to him than a bombing raid. This was intended as a stalling tactic, and it had originated from Jarrett. Such a campaign would take both time, and present a far greater risk of failure. The president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr., Panetta that he would have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin Laden compound. Jarrett believed this would further delay Panetta from acting, as the responsibility for failure would then fall almost entirely on him. What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound. Basically, the whole damn operation was already ready to go – including the specific team support Intel necessary to engage the enemy within hours of being given notice. Panetta then made plans to proceed with an on-ground assault. This information reached either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates first (likely via military contacts directly associated with the impending mission) who then informed the other. Those two then met with Panetta, who informed each of them he had been given the authority by the president to proceed with a mission if the opportunity presented itself. Both Gates and Clinton warned Panetta of the implications of that authority – namely he was possibly being made into a scapegoat. Panetta admitted that possibility, but felt the opportunity to get Bin Laden outweighed that risk. During that meeting, Hillary Clinton was first to pledge her full support for Panetta, indicating she would defend him if necessary. Similar support was then followed by Gates.

 

[The T]

New York Slimes is reading the writing on the wall...they are trying to save thier own sorry asses.

 

[francoHFW]

No epiphany.Is the GOP just the BS/hate party now?

 

[Sallow]

Asinine statement as usual. I suppose the emptier suit than we even imagined, O'Bamma, is a strong President to you?

President Obama has been largely sucessful in passing a good deal of the bills he wanted to see passed, he oversaw the operation to kill Bin Laden, got a new nuke treaty with Russia and has the world sorta is liking us again.

He's been pretty strong.

What he is facing is obstuctionists worse then the ones that tried to nullify the last Democratic Presidency.

It's a tough slog.

Gee, as I would have guessed and many are now confirming, the first gay president did not oversee the killing of Bin Laden. Hillary had more balls and Panetta had a lot more to do with the actual operation. This "Live Leaks article states what many others are saying.

LiveLeak.com - White House Insider: Obama Hesitated ? Panetta Issued Order to Kill Osama Bin Laden Read more: http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obam

Q: You stated that President Obama was “overruled” by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?
A: I was told – in these exact terms, “we overruled him.” (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent hesitation to act.” There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.

I was correct in stating there had been a push to invade the compound for several weeks if not months, primarily led by Leon Panetta, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates, David Petraeus, and Jim Clapper. The primary opposition to this plan originated from Valerie Jarrett, and it was her opposition that was enough to create uncertainty within President Obama. Obama would meet with various components of the pro-invasion faction, almost always with Jarrett present, and then often fail to indicate his position. This situation continued for some time, though the division between Jarrett/Obama and the rest intensified more recently, most notably from Hillary Clinton. She was livid over the president’s failure to act, and her office began a campaign of anonymous leaks to the media indicating such. As for Jarrett, her concern rested on two primary fronts. One, that the military action could fail and harm the president’s already weakened standing with both the American public and the world. Second, that the attack would be viewed as an act of aggression against Muslims, and further destabilize conditions in the Middle East.

Q: What changed the president’s position and enabled the attack against Osama Bin Laden to proceed?
A: Nothing changed with the president’s opinion – he continued to avoid having one. Every time military and intelligence officials appeared to make progress in forming a position, Jarrett would intervene and the stalling would begin again. Hillary started the ball really rolling as far as pressuring Obama began, but it was Panetta and Petraeus who ultimately pushed Obama to finally act – sort of. Panetta was receiving significant reports from both his direct CIA sources, as well as Petraeus-originating Intel. Petraeus was threatening to act on his own via a bombing attack. Panetta reported back to the president that a bombing of the compound would result in successful killing of Osama Bin Laden, and little risk to American lives. Initially, as he had done before, the president indicated a willingness to act. But once again, Jarrett intervened, convincing the president that innocent Pakistani lives could be lost in such a bombing attack, and Obama would be left attempting to explain Panetta’s failed policy. Again Obama hesitated – this time openly delaying further meetings to discuss the issue with Panetta. A brief meeting was held at this time with other officials, including Secretary Gates and members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but Gates, like Panetta, was unable to push the president to act. It was at this time that Gates indicated to certain Pentagon officials that he may resign earlier than originally indicated – he was that frustrated. Both Panetta and Clinton convinced him to stay on and see the operation through.

What happened from there is what was described by me as a “masterful manipulation” by Leon Panetta. Panetta indicated to Obama that leaks regarding knowledge of Osama Bin Laden’s location were certain to get out sooner rather than later, and action must be taken by the administration or the public backlash to the president’s inaction would be “…significant to the point of political debilitation.” It was at that time that Obama stated an on-ground campaign would be far more acceptable to him than a bombing raid. This was intended as a stalling tactic, and it had originated from Jarrett. Such a campaign would take both time, and present a far greater risk of failure. The president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr., Panetta that he would have sole discretion to act against the Osama Bin Laden compound. Jarrett believed this would further delay Panetta from acting, as the responsibility for failure would then fall almost entirely on him. What Valerie Jarrett, and the president, did not know is that Leon Panetta had already initiated a program that reported to him –and only him, involving a covert on the ground attack against the compound. Basically, the whole damn operation was already ready to go – including the specific team support Intel necessary to engage the enemy within hours of being given notice. Panetta then made plans to proceed with an on-ground assault. This information reached either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates first (likely via military contacts directly associated with the impending mission) who then informed the other. Those two then met with Panetta, who informed each of them he had been given the authority by the president to proceed with a mission if the opportunity presented itself. Both Gates and Clinton warned Panetta of the implications of that authority – namely he was possibly being made into a scapegoat. Panetta admitted that possibility, but felt the opportunity to get Bin Laden outweighed that risk. During that meeting, Hillary Clinton was first to pledge her full support for Panetta, indicating she would defend him if necessary. Similar support was then followed by Gates.

Oh cool.

You source a website which is obviously partisan and put up a interview with an "unknown" source and you expect that to be accepted as credible.

What nonsense.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Whatever, on a different subject, what do you think of Herman Cain? I've noticed the word mathematician under your screen name and I'm curious what your take on Mr. Cain is, his degree is in Mathematics and worked with the U.S. Navy in ballistics while attending Purdue to earn a Masters in Computer Science.

I'm willing to give him a look. Truth be told I haven't had much time to dig into the GOP field past the front runners. Mathematicians have a tendency to make VERY good Number 2 men in the Administration hierarchy in Academics, as they are fairly goal oriented and attack problems logically. The biggest issue is that we Mathematicians are often a big heaping stew of neurotic trouble. He's a business man, so he has to be better adjusted than me