No veils in France

[Sunni Man]

Muslim women wear a veil.

I have never Ever heard it refered to as a mask except here at USMB.

 

[Valerie]

Muslim women wear a veil.

I have never Ever heard it refered to as a mask except here at USMB.

For the purpose of this discussion the issue is citizens masking their face in public places.


It's never been a big issue before because most people don't usually go around masking their faces everywhere they go the way Muslims do. Why do Muslims feel so put upon for having to show their face in public places? Why do they have to pretend as if it's an affront to their religion?

 

[Colin]

Muslim women wear a veil.

I have never Ever heard it refered to as a mask except here at USMB.

Then you should be grateful. Today you've learned something new!

 

[Sunni Man]

It's never been a big issue before because most people don't usually go around masking their faces everywhere they go the way Muslims do. Why do Muslims feel so put upon for having to show their face in public places? Why do they have to pretend as if it's an affront to their religion?

Muslims are being besieged by non Muslims all over the world.

Muslim countries are being invaded and occupied on a regular basis.

Women being told they must conform to certain dress codes.

Even here in the US towns changing zoning codes to prevent Mosques from being built.

And Quran's being burned For no reason other than spite.

Even your use of the word "pretend" in your last sentence displays contempt towards Muslims.


But on the up side; all this is doing is making the Islamic community pull together and grow stronger everyday.

Have no doubt that we will prevail in the end.

And those who unjustly persecute us are going to have a bitter reward indeed.

 

[Big Fitz]

It's never been a big issue before because most people don't usually go around masking their faces everywhere they go the way Muslims do. Why do Muslims feel so put upon for having to show their face in public places? Why do they have to pretend as if it's an affront to their religion?

Muslims are being besieged by non Muslims all over the world.

Muslim countries are being invaded and occupied on a regular basis.

Women being told they must conform to certain dress codes.

Even here in the US towns changing zoning codes to prevent Mosques from being built.

And Quran's being burned For no reason other than spite.

Even your use of the word "pretend" in your last sentence displays contempt towards Muslims.


But on the up side; all this is doing is making the Islamic community pull together and grow stronger everyday.

Have no doubt that we will prevail in the end.

And those who unjustly persecute us are going to have a bitter reward indeed.

Should we start a list of islam's sins against the rest of the world?

 

[Sunni Man]

Start any list that you want.

I could care less.

 

[PlagueCat]

France is doin a helluva job keeping islamic sphere in check within the national boundaries.
How about erecting a church in Saoudi Arabia for a friggn change?

 

[Sunni Man]

France is making a helluva job keeping islamic sphere at check within the national boundaries.
How about erecting a church in Saoudi Arabia for a friggn change?

France is just pissing in the wind.

The Muslim population will continue to increase.

And Islam will continue to grow.


Question: if they built a Church in Saudi Arabia would you attend services there?

 

[Valerie]

It's never been a big issue before because most people don't usually go around masking their faces everywhere they go the way Muslims do. Why do Muslims feel so put upon for having to show their face in public places? Why do they have to pretend as if it's an affront to their religion?

Muslims are being besieged by non Muslims all over the world.

Muslim countries are being invaded and occupied on a regular basis.

Women being told they must conform to certain dress codes.

Even here in the US towns changing zoning codes to prevent Mosques from being built.

And Quran's being burned For no reason other than spite.

Even your use of the word "pretend" in your last sentence displays contempt towards Muslims.


But on the up side; all this is doing is making the Islamic community pull together and grow stronger everyday.

Have no doubt that we will prevail in the end.

And those who unjustly persecute us are going to have a bitter reward indeed.

My contempt is toward the dishonesty...and you.


Muslim women are not "being told they must conform to certain dress codes". Rather, all citizens are being required to show their face in public places. Muslims are still free to "dress" however they wish, but they must simply unveil their identity in public. That is, no one, not even a Muslim woman, is exempt form that reasonable citizenship requirement. The burka is not "outlawed" yet people keep pretending it is. Muslims are free to practice their religion and veil themselves privately and even veil their faces in public during a religious ceremony.



I've posted the entire law verbatim and the link is in this thread so you can go right ahead and feel free to prove me wrong.

 

[Sunni Man]

It's blatant discrimination directed toward Muslims for no other reason but hate and spite.

 

[Valerie]

It's blatant discrimination directed toward Muslims for no other reason but hate and spite.

 

[Big Fitz]

It's blatant discrimination directed toward Muslims for no other reason but hate and spite.

hmmmmm yeahhhhh...

 

[PlagueCat]

It's blatant discrimination directed toward Muslims for no other reason but hate and spite.

Yeen the brightest coin in the purse, are you?
It's obvious ou're uttlerly ignorant about the history of France. This country has made an oath to defend its secularism at all costs. Since the milestones of 1789 and 1901 (loi sur la laïcité), secularism has to reign suprem over the nation.
I'm sorry for you this includes Islam (religion of peace ), but it is like it is: if you don't cope with that as a french muslim and won't comply to the law, then you'll better get the fuck out of the country.

France, you love it or you leave it...

 

[editec]

And so, for example, no woman could wear a minishirt to the Mosque, right?

Well...do the FRENCH not have that same right to define proper behavior within their national borders?

Not a great example.

I doubt a woman would be allowed to worship in a Church wearing a mini skirt either.

The French law forbids a woman from wearing a burka just walking down the street minding her own business.

How can that be defined as improper behavior?

Improper behavior is entirely an arbitrary decision, that's how.

How can walking down the street wearing a miniskirt is Saudi Arabia be defined as improper behavior?

It is because the majority of people in that nation DEFINE what they consider "proper".

Again, I PRESUME you grant S.A. the right to define "proper behavior" in their land and if you do, then you really ought to ask yourself why you think the FRENCH do not have that SAME right.

 

[editec]

You have to be kidding right? Women in this Country can and do go to church in what ever dress they want, INCLUDING short shorts and mini skirts.

No wonder Christianity has become so weak and Church attendance is falling.

When they allow women to dress like sluts and enter the Church's to worship.

Chistendom also has plenty nuclear weapons and a history of using them when threatened. So I wouldn't count on the weakness of Chistendom too much if I were you, lad.

What Christendom is capable of when it decides that its back is to the wall isn't something any of us wants to see.

Truly an all out effort to crush Islam would make that shock and awe event that Saddam's people felt look like a day in the park.

Islam does not want to wake up the sleeping giant of Christendom.

 

[Sunni Man]

Improper behavior is entirely an arbitrary decision, that's how.

How can walking down the street wearing a miniskirt is Saudi Arabia be defined as improper behavior?

It is because the majority of people in that nation DEFINE what they consider "proper".

Again, I PRESUME you grant S.A. the right to define "proper behavior" in their land and if you do, then you really ought to ask yourself why you think the FRENCH do not have that SAME right.

Simple answer.

France claims to be a Democracy and advocates individual freedom.

Unless your are a Muslim.


Saudi Arabia is not a democracy.

And it's law's are determined by Sharia Law and the King.

 

[Sunni Man]

Islam does not want to wake up the sleeping giant of Christendom.

By the time Christendom wake up from it's false sense of security.

It will be to late in the game to make a difference.

 

[Big Fitz]

Islam does not want to wake up the sleeping giant of Christendom.

By the time Christendom wake up from it's false sense of security.

It will be to late in the game to make a difference.

Oh it's so nice when you come clean about your true intentions for all non muslims.

 

[Sunni Man]

Islam does not want to wake up the sleeping giant of Christendom.

By the time Christendom wake up from it's false sense of security.

It will be to late in the game to make a difference.

Oh it's so nice when you come clean about your true intentions for all non muslims.

He was talking about Christendom getting together and attacking Muslims world wide.

All I was saying that in the near future the Islamic world will be too strong for the West to dominate Muslims like it has in the past.

I said nothing about Islam attacking Christendom or non Muslims.

 

[Big Fitz]

By the time Christendom wake up from it's false sense of security.

It will be to late in the game to make a difference.

Oh it's so nice when you come clean about your true intentions for all non muslims.

He was talking about Christendom getting together and attacking Muslims world wide.

All I was saying that in the near future the Islamic world will be too strong for the West to dominate Muslims like it has in the past.

I said nothing about Islam attacking Christendom or non Muslims.

Riiiiiiiight. Protest a bit more dear lady.