No Longer David:*The State of Israel As Goliath

[Kondor3]

Why would anyone view archives in England ? There is no country named England and we are discussing immigration into Palestine.

I've been on a trip and might have missed it but, is Scotland still a country? Or Belgium? Seriously!

"The*United Kingdom*is a country that consists of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. In fact, the official name of the country is "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland."

What is the difference between the United Kingdom, Great Britain, and England?

Now, isn't that just extra special ?!!!

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Did she say "there is no country named England."

 

[P F Tinmore]

Their parents need to make better choices on their behalf.

Parents do not choose to be victims of Occupation, either, the exact same way Holocaust victims did not choose to be victims of the Holocaust!

They chose to side with the Attacking Arab Coalition in 1948.

They chose to accept Jordanian Citizenship in the wake of the 1950 Jordanian annexation of the West Bank.

They chose to side with the Jordanians who attacked Israel on Day Two of the 1967 War despite Israeli pleas to Jordan to stay out of it.

They chose to remain on the West Bank and in Gaza after 1967 despite the fact that they were then aliens (Jordanian Citizens) on new Israeli territory, and that the Israelis clearly had no intention of returning that captured territory, and that they were clearly not trusted or wanted and had no good future prospects by remaining there.

They chose to ignore Israel's superior political and military position in later years, deluding themselves that they could negotiate from a position of parity, rather than being practical and making the best deal they could, while they still could.

They chose to reject various deals in the 1948-1967 time-frame, and even a handful after 1967, that many would give their eye-teeth to have now, in retrospect.

They chose to support a pseudo-government which became both a domestic and international terrorist organization.

They chose to support suicide-bombing campaigns against the Israeli civilian population.

They chose to create and foster political divisions amongst themselves which ultimately led to their fragmentation into Fatah, Hamas and Hezbollah, scattered amongst the West Bank, Gaza and Lebanon.

They chose to elect the ultra-militant Hamas faction to control Gaza, thereby creating and fostering conditions of nearly-constant and perpetual military operations and counterstrikes.

They chose to sustain Hamas in-power in Gaza and have to-date failed to eject them, despite Hamas initiating various military operations and campaigns and despite Hamas routinely positioning war-assets alongside their civilians, all of which have triggered overwhelming Israeli military responses and counterstrikes and preemptions and interventions.

They chose to permit and support long-term rocket-barrage campaigns against Israeli civilian populations.

They have made a great many Poor Choices, on behalf of themselves and their families.

Choices have consequences.

And they are all now paying for those Poor Choices.

Time to run-up the White Flag before the shit hits the fan.

'Cause that's a-comin'...

Holy pant-load, Batman!

Where do you get all this crap?

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Parents do not choose to be victims of Occupation, either, the exact same way Holocaust victims did not choose to be victims of the Holocaust!

They chose to side with the Attacking Arab Coalition in 1948.

They chose to accept Jordanian Citizenship in the wake of the 1950 Jordanian annexation of the West Bank.

They chose to side with the Jordanians who attacked Israel on Day Two of the 1967 War despite Israeli pleas to Jordan to stay out of it.

They chose to remain on the West Bank and in Gaza after 1967 despite the fact that they were then aliens (Jordanian Citizens) on new Israeli territory, and that the Israelis clearly had no intention of returning that captured territory, and that they were clearly not trusted or wanted and had no good future prospects by remaining there.

They chose to ignore Israel's superior political and military position in later years, deluding themselves that they could negotiate from a position of parity, rather than being practical and making the best deal they could, while they still could.

They chose to reject various deals in the 1948-1967 time-frame, and even a handful after 1967, that many would give their eye-teeth to have now, in retrospect.

They chose to support a pseudo-government which became both a domestic and international terrorist organization.

They chose to support suicide-bombing campaigns against the Israeli civilian population.

They chose to create and foster political divisions amongst themselves which ultimately led to their fragmentation into Fatah, Hamas and Hezbollah, scattered amongst the West Bank, Gaza and Lebanon.

They chose to elect the ultra-militant Hamas faction to control Gaza, thereby creating and fostering conditions of nearly-constant and perpetual military operations and counterstrikes.

They chose to sustain Hamas in-power in Gaza and have to-date failed to eject them, despite Hamas initiating various military operations and campaigns and despite Hamas routinely positioning war-assets alongside their civilians, all of which have triggered overwhelming Israeli military responses and counterstrikes and preemptions and interventions.

They chose to permit and support long-term rocket-barrage campaigns against Israeli civilian populations.

They have made a great many Poor Choices, on behalf of themselves and their families.

Choices have consequences.

And they are all now paying for those Poor Choices.

Time to run-up the White Flag before the shit hits the fan.

'Cause that's a-comin'...

Holy pant-load, Batman!

Where do you get all this crap?

Scary isn't it pftinmore to hear the truth.

 

[Hollie]

Did she say "there is no country named England."

It's Sherri. Expect new adventures in plumbing the depths of idiocy.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Duly noted that the ONLY one to voice support for these egregious insults to ADD and MR individuals is the Nazi-sucking sherrithing.......anyone who opposed the Nazi murder programs against 'untermenschen' would not find those bold comments offensive.

As to the 'proof' - simply repeating unfounded allegations does not constitute 'proof' by even the most liberal of interpretations.

It's not "unfounded allegations". In 2008, there was a 4 month ceasefire that was broken when Israel launched a commando raid inside Gaza to kill some more government officials.

the self-defense claim propagated by Israeli and U.S. politicians since the initiation of Operation Cast Lead is inconsistent with both the facts and the law. Within weeks of entering into the Egyptian-brokered ceasefire agreement, Hamas rocket fire had come to a halt. According to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the ceasefire was so successful that it brought “normal life and “calm” back to Israeli towns near Gaza. In an article posted on July 27, 2008, the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs even lauds Hamas, stating:

Publicly, Hamas leaders have stated time and again that the lull is a Palestinian national interest. On several occasions, Hamas members have arrested Fatah operatives who were involved in firing at Israel and confiscated their arms.

Calm prevailed for four months until Israeli forces broke the ceasefire agreement on November 4, 2008. While the world’s gaze turned to one of the U.S.’s most historic elections that day, Israel launched an armed incursion into Gaza, accompanied by aerial bombing, killing six Hamas members and catapulting the region into a renewed wave of violent hostilities. Hamas rocket fire immediately followed the Israeli attack. Two weeks later Israel’s largest circulation paper quoted Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak admitting that “the recent waves of rocket attacks are a result of our operations, which have resulted in the killing of twenty Hamas gunmen.” Barak’s admission, consistent with the fact that Israel broke the ceasefire, makes Israel’s self-defense claim baseless.

Even after that, Hamas offered to re-instate the ceasefire, but Israel refused.

Hamas offered to reinstate and extend the ceasefire a month later on December 23, 2008. Israel refused, ducking the chance to reach a diplomatic agreement that would have again ended rocket fire and brought the security desired by Israel. Instead, Israel chose massive escalation and four days later launched a gruesome aerial offensive against Gaza.

Israel doesn't want peace. They think they can solve all their problems by having the biggest stick and using it as much as possible.

Now, prove that's unfounded!

The system will not allow me to give you a positive rep, so

Great post.

 

[P F Tinmore]

"...The beauty in this is the Palestinian people, they win by surviving as victims of Occupation..."

Then they'd better hurry up and win...

Because, according to your own propaganda maps, the game-clock is running down.

Another 10-15 years at this rate, and every living Muslim-Arab Palestinian will be living in Jordan or Lebanon...

And Eretz Yisrael will finally be completed...

It doesn't matter. Israel's biggest threat comes from Palestinians outside the territory.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

"...The beauty in this is the Palestinian people, they win by surviving as victims of Occupation..."

Then they'd better hurry up and win...

Because, according to your own propaganda maps, the game-clock is running down.

Another 10-15 years at this rate, and every living Muslim-Arab Palestinian will be living in Jordan or Lebanon...

And Eretz Yisrael will finally be completed...

It doesn't matter. Israel's biggest threat comes from Palestinians outside the territory.

Really? Which countries?

 

[irosie91]

For the record-------mr tin lied again-----the fact is that there has been no significant
period of time during which there has been an absence of terrorist activity emanating from
Gaza during the ENTIRE PERIOD OF THIS CENTURY (ie ---the 21st century)

Please note-----islamo nazi baby murdering dogs refer to any baby throat
slitting event or bomb on stinking jihadi whore ass or nail bomb event
as 'NON EXISTENT" if it cannot be PROVEN that HAMAS DID IT-----kinda
like adolf abu ali------claiming 'HIMMLER DID IT"

LONG LONG AGO---(more than 40 years ago) a smiling pakistani surgeon
explained to me why murdering jews in airports is "legal"------there is a
LOGICAL ISLAMIC SOLUTION---->>>

"THE MURDERERS DO NOT WEAR UNIFORMS" (they are freelance
holies----for the glory of isa/allah-----if they die or escape---no one
can be held responsible-----mr tin-----understands----BABY SMASHING
NAIL BOMBS-------CANNOT BE TRACED EXCEPT TO SITE OF LAUNCHING---
and not specifically to HAMAS)

 

[Kondor3]

"...The beauty in this is the Palestinian people, they win by surviving as victims of Occupation..."

Then they'd better hurry up and win...

...

Because, according to your own propaganda maps, the game-clock is running down.

Another 10-15 years at this rate, and every living Muslim-Arab Palestinian will be living in Jordan or Lebanon...

And Eretz Yisrael will finally be completed...

It doesn't matter. Israel's biggest threat comes from Palestinians outside the territory.

Perfect.

Once the Israelis are dealing with ALL Palestinians living OUTSIDE the borders of Eretz Yisrael, they will have FAR more latitude in countering Palestinian aggression.

The Israelis presently have to watch their backsides in hammering West Bankers and Gazans due to public relations concerns...

But once those same Hostiles are attacking from BEYOND Israeli borders...

It will be a matter of WARFARE, even amongst the world community at-large, rather than OCCUPATION...

Dealing with the PR aspects of WAR will be MUCH easier for the Israelis to deal with than the way things are now...

Another damned-fine reason for chasing the last of 'em out of Rump Palestine...

Hurry the day...

A few attacks upon Israel, once they're ALL on the other side of the borders, and they'll come to understand just what a juggernaut they've been toying-with from within, gpt all these years...

It will come as a MOST unpleasant shock...

And, at THAT point, it will be a matter of conventional warfare, with the Palestinians as the aggressors, and with winners and losers, and the world won't lift a finger or even squawk much... relieve of the burden of advocating on behalf of so-called 'refugee' populations...

 

[Hollie]

Duly noted that the ONLY one to voice support for these egregious insults to ADD and MR individuals is the Nazi-sucking sherrithing.......anyone who opposed the Nazi murder programs against 'untermenschen' would not find those bold comments offensive.

As to the 'proof' - simply repeating unfounded allegations does not constitute 'proof' by even the most liberal of interpretations.

It's not "unfounded allegations". In 2008, there was a 4 month ceasefire that was broken when Israel launched a commando raid inside Gaza to kill some more government officials.


Even after that, Hamas offered to re-instate the ceasefire, but Israel refused.

Hamas offered to reinstate and extend the ceasefire a month later on December 23, 2008. Israel refused, ducking the chance to reach a diplomatic agreement that would have again ended rocket fire and brought the security desired by Israel. Instead, Israel chose massive escalation and four days later launched a gruesome aerial offensive against Gaza.

Israel doesn't want peace. They think they can solve all their problems by having the biggest stick and using it as much as possible.

Now, prove that's unfounded!

The system will not allow me to give you a positive rep, so

Great post.

Not so great.

What is missing from the tabloid "Global research" article in the second paragraph above is that the Israeli raid in Gaza'istan was geared toward dismantling another tunnel being dug by the Pals near the Israeli border.

You have convinced yourself otherwise, but the islamist terrorist tunnel rats are not burrowing toward Israel for the purpose of exchanging... um... Merry Christmas salutations.

 

[P F Tinmore]

They chose to side with the Attacking Arab Coalition in 1948.

They chose to accept Jordanian Citizenship in the wake of the 1950 Jordanian annexation of the West Bank.

They chose to side with the Jordanians who attacked Israel on Day Two of the 1967 War despite Israeli pleas to Jordan to stay out of it.

They chose to remain on the West Bank and in Gaza after 1967 despite the fact that they were then aliens (Jordanian Citizens) on new Israeli territory, and that the Israelis clearly had no intention of returning that captured territory, and that they were clearly not trusted or wanted and had no good future prospects by remaining there.

They chose to ignore Israel's superior political and military position in later years, deluding themselves that they could negotiate from a position of parity, rather than being practical and making the best deal they could, while they still could.

They chose to reject various deals in the 1948-1967 time-frame, and even a handful after 1967, that many would give their eye-teeth to have now, in retrospect.

They chose to support a pseudo-government which became both a domestic and international terrorist organization.

They chose to support suicide-bombing campaigns against the Israeli civilian population.

They chose to create and foster political divisions amongst themselves which ultimately led to their fragmentation into Fatah, Hamas and Hezbollah, scattered amongst the West Bank, Gaza and Lebanon.

They chose to elect the ultra-militant Hamas faction to control Gaza, thereby creating and fostering conditions of nearly-constant and perpetual military operations and counterstrikes.

They chose to sustain Hamas in-power in Gaza and have to-date failed to eject them, despite Hamas initiating various military operations and campaigns and despite Hamas routinely positioning war-assets alongside their civilians, all of which have triggered overwhelming Israeli military responses and counterstrikes and preemptions and interventions.

They chose to permit and support long-term rocket-barrage campaigns against Israeli civilian populations.

They have made a great many Poor Choices, on behalf of themselves and their families.

Choices have consequences.

And they are all now paying for those Poor Choices.

Time to run-up the White Flag before the shit hits the fan.

'Cause that's a-comin'...

Holy pant-load, Batman!

Where do you get all this crap?

Scary isn't it pftinmore to hear the truth.

The truth according yo Israel's bullshit manual.

Example:

They chose to side with the Attacking Arab Coalition in 1948.

What country did the Arabs attack?

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Holy pant-load, Batman!

Where do you get all this crap?

Scary isn't it pftinmore to hear the truth.

The truth according yo Israel's bullshit manual.

Example:

They chose to side with the Attacking Arab Coalition in 1948.

What country did the Arabs attack?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_XuPXGMpLA]Surely you can't be serious - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Hollie]

Scary isn't it pftinmore to hear the truth.

The truth according yo Israel's bullshit manual.

Example:

They chose to side with the Attacking Arab Coalition in 1948.

What country did the Arabs attack?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_XuPXGMpLA]Surely you can't be serious - YouTube[/ame]

It's Tin'less.

Expect little, get less.

 

[Kondor3]

"...What country did the Arabs attack?"

They attacked the Jews of Mandate-Palestine, at the time of the termination of the Mandate.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It's not "unfounded allegations". In 2008, there was a 4 month ceasefire that was broken when Israel launched a commando raid inside Gaza to kill some more government officials.


Even after that, Hamas offered to re-instate the ceasefire, but Israel refused.

Israel doesn't want peace. They think they can solve all their problems by having the biggest stick and using it as much as possible.

Now, prove that's unfounded!

The system will not allow me to give you a positive rep, so

Great post.

Not so great.

What is missing from the tabloid "Global research" article in the second paragraph above is that the Israeli raid in Gaza'istan was geared toward dismantling another tunnel being dug by the Pals near the Israeli border.

You have convinced yourself otherwise, but the islamist terrorist tunnel rats are not burrowing toward Israel for the purpose of exchanging... um... Merry Christmas salutations.

Moot point. If those Palestinians were inside Israel (if there is such a thing) the the attack would be justified. But they weren't.

 

[P F Tinmore]

"...What country did the Arabs attack?"

They attacked the Jews of Mandate-Palestine, at the time fo the termination of the Mandate.

Thanks for ducking the question.

 

[Kondor3]

"...What country did the Arabs attack?"

They attacked the Jews of Mandate-Palestine, at the time fo the termination of the Mandate.

Thanks for ducking the question.

Ducking, hell...

I gave you an answer which you could build upon, to argue the case for the existence of a land called Palestine.

I actually left you some considerable wiggle-room, and you were sooooo busy preparing to automatic-gainsay that you didn't even notice.

Now THAT's entertainment... and quality-irony... damned funny stuff!

 

[P F Tinmore]

"...What country did the Arabs attack?"

They attacked the Jews of Mandate-Palestine, at the time fo the termination of the Mandate.

Cool, so it was no longer Mandate Palestine it was just Palestine.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

We can always rely on pftinmore to give us a laugh.