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I can't, not with your head in the way
Could you explain what you mean by "justice run amuck" ? All businesses are required to abide by the laws, and if someone's beliefs are a problem with the requirements for that business, then they should do something else. I agree that some laws should be changed, but that doesn't give me the right to just ignore them. What makes you think that cake store should be able to ignore the laws they don't like?If your sole purpose is to destroy a business instead of giving them business, then you are taking place in militant activism. You are purposefully targeting someone in order to expose and destroy them because of a difference in beliefs. You have crossed the line from holding a mere opinion to using that opinion to inflict damage on other individuals. I'm sorry, but I don't believe for one moment those two ladies had any intention of buying a cake. The law is clear, but the intent was not commercial. Those two women, in fact, were repeat customers there and knowing full well the beliefs of the proprietor(s). But suddenly out of the blue they ask them to bake a cake for a same sex wedding. To me, that is the definition of "ulterior motive."
Every business owner has their own beliefs, their own convictions, and suddenly they have to sacrifice them just to run a business in compliance with the law, and yes, sacrifices must be made. But here's the catch: that's wrong. There is something woefully wrong. Yes, the law is important, and rules are rules; don't misunderstand me here.
But if you have to sacrifice something sacred to you in order to succeed in business and appease the rule of law, then this is justice run amok. I agree, business is business, and money is money and rightly so; but as someone who admires the law, the law also isn't perfect. There are good laws, and not so well thought out ones. Though, until the law changes, people must obey it. To be succinct, however, obedience should not come at the price of your own morals and convictions.
Call me a homophobe, a bigot, ignorant, stupid, misguided or whatever you like, but that is my observation on this topic. I don't hate gay people, but I don't like the ones who would force other people to accept their lifestyle. I mean, if the act of forcing your religious beliefs on others is wrong, just imagine how they feel when the same is done to them! Behavior like such is only self serving and only widens the chasm between supporters and opposition. It breeds more hatred than understanding. If respect and acceptance is the goal, then one must strive to show it also. The double edged sword sitting next to me would agree.
No Icing on the Cake for Christian Business Owners Who Refused to Bake for Lesbian Couple
So, you feel that way about the Southern Baptists who called for a boycott of Disney, right?If your sole purpose is to destroy a business instead of giving them business, then you are taking place in militant activism. You are purposefully targeting someone in order to expose and destroy them because of a difference in beliefs. You have crossed the line from holding a mere opinion to using that opinion to inflict damage on other individuals. I'm sorry, but I don't believe for one moment those two ladies had any intention of buying a cake. The law is clear, but the intent was not commercial. Those two women, in fact, were repeat customers there and knowing full well the beliefs of the proprietor(s). But suddenly out of the blue they ask them to bake a cake for a same sex wedding. To me, that is the definition of "ulterior motive."
Every business owner has their own beliefs, their own convictions, and suddenly they have to sacrifice them just to run a business in compliance with the law, and yes, sacrifices must be made. But here's the catch: that's wrong. There is something woefully wrong. Yes, the law is important, and rules are rules; don't misunderstand me here.
But if you have to sacrifice something sacred to you in order to succeed in business and appease the rule of law, then this is justice run amok. I agree, business is business, and money is money and rightly so; but as someone who admires the law, the law also isn't perfect. There are good laws, and not so well thought out ones. Though, until the law changes, people must obey it. To be succinct, however, obedience should not come at the price of your own morals and convictions.
Call me a homophobe, a bigot, ignorant, stupid, misguided or whatever you like, but that is my observation on this topic. I don't hate gay people, but I don't like the ones who would force other people to accept their lifestyle. I mean, if the act of forcing your religious beliefs on others is wrong, just imagine how they feel when the same is done to them! Behavior like such is only self serving and only widens the chasm between supporters and opposition. It breeds more hatred than understanding. If respect and acceptance is the goal, then one must strive to show it also. The double edged sword sitting next to me would agree.
No Icing on the Cake for Christian Business Owners Who Refused to Bake for Lesbian Couple
Damn those PA laws that make any business have to serve Christians!The left are the new morality police, and they will use any government force available to either force you to accept their morals, or beat you into the ground so hard you are unable to resist their dogma.
Good for you.....what would you do if they suddenly informed you that, because of your religion, or your job, or just the way you look, they will not serve you?If you are a repeat customer, who else would you go to for your wedding cake?
What an idiotic OP.
The Hall I booked for my wedding is providing the cake. We were considering our local baker, but the cake was included in the cost, so we went for the hall cake.
But if you have to sacrifice something sacred to you in order to succeed in business and appease the rule of law, then this is justice run amok
The left are the new morality police, and they will use any government force available to either force you to accept their morals, or beat you into the ground so hard you are unable to resist their dogma.
In contrast to whom? Conservatives?
lol
Do you see conservatives recently trying to pass any of the crap you idiots try to enforce on a daily basis? Face it, you are the Moral Majority of the 21st century, the only difference is you don't have bibles in your hand and you use the government instead of pitchforks.
Yes. A constitutional amendment to ban all abortion. A constitutional amendment to outlaw same sex marriage.
A small tiny percentage want both of those. Most would accept the issues being settled by the States via legislative action. And at least they use the amendment process, which would require 2/3 of each house of the legislature, and 3/4 of the states to pass.
And both of those are in response to overreach by activist supreme courts, which created "rights" out of thin fucking air. Your side uses judges (un-elected ones usually) and hope you get ones that agree with your politics and have a fuzzy concept of constitutionality.
The power of the boycott is the only economic weapon the downtrodden have at their disposal. And it has historically proven to be very, very effective.
You want to be a discriminatory asshole? Go ahead, and let the invisible hand decide your fate.
No one is destroying your business but yourself. No windows get broken, just your bank account when people stop buying your stuff.
I have no issues with boycotts or people deciding not to do business with people they don't like. My concern is when government is used as the mechanism for this.
Could you explain what you mean by "justice run amuck" ? All businesses are required to abide by the laws, and if someone's beliefs are a problem with the requirements for that business, then they should do something else. I agree that some laws should be changed, but that doesn't give me the right to just ignore them. What makes you think that cake store should be able to ignore the laws they don't like?If your sole purpose is to destroy a business instead of giving them business, then you are taking place in militant activism. You are purposefully targeting someone in order to expose and destroy them because of a difference in beliefs. You have crossed the line from holding a mere opinion to using that opinion to inflict damage on other individuals. I'm sorry, but I don't believe for one moment those two ladies had any intention of buying a cake. The law is clear, but the intent was not commercial. Those two women, in fact, were repeat customers there and knowing full well the beliefs of the proprietor(s). But suddenly out of the blue they ask them to bake a cake for a same sex wedding. To me, that is the definition of "ulterior motive."
Every business owner has their own beliefs, their own convictions, and suddenly they have to sacrifice them just to run a business in compliance with the law, and yes, sacrifices must be made. But here's the catch: that's wrong. There is something woefully wrong. Yes, the law is important, and rules are rules; don't misunderstand me here.
But if you have to sacrifice something sacred to you in order to succeed in business and appease the rule of law, then this is justice run amok. I agree, business is business, and money is money and rightly so; but as someone who admires the law, the law also isn't perfect. There are good laws, and not so well thought out ones. Though, until the law changes, people must obey it. To be succinct, however, obedience should not come at the price of your own morals and convictions.
Call me a homophobe, a bigot, ignorant, stupid, misguided or whatever you like, but that is my observation on this topic. I don't hate gay people, but I don't like the ones who would force other people to accept their lifestyle. I mean, if the act of forcing your religious beliefs on others is wrong, just imagine how they feel when the same is done to them! Behavior like such is only self serving and only widens the chasm between supporters and opposition. It breeds more hatred than understanding. If respect and acceptance is the goal, then one must strive to show it also. The double edged sword sitting next to me would agree.
No Icing on the Cake for Christian Business Owners Who Refused to Bake for Lesbian Couple
Could you explain what you mean by "justice run amuck" ? All businesses are required to abide by the laws, and if someone's beliefs are a problem with the requirements for that business, then they should do something else. I agree that some laws should be changed, but that doesn't give me the right to just ignore them. What makes you think that cake store should be able to ignore the laws they don't like?If your sole purpose is to destroy a business instead of giving them business, then you are taking place in militant activism. You are purposefully targeting someone in order to expose and destroy them because of a difference in beliefs. You have crossed the line from holding a mere opinion to using that opinion to inflict damage on other individuals. I'm sorry, but I don't believe for one moment those two ladies had any intention of buying a cake. The law is clear, but the intent was not commercial. Those two women, in fact, were repeat customers there and knowing full well the beliefs of the proprietor(s). But suddenly out of the blue they ask them to bake a cake for a same sex wedding. To me, that is the definition of "ulterior motive."
Every business owner has their own beliefs, their own convictions, and suddenly they have to sacrifice them just to run a business in compliance with the law, and yes, sacrifices must be made. But here's the catch: that's wrong. There is something woefully wrong. Yes, the law is important, and rules are rules; don't misunderstand me here.
But if you have to sacrifice something sacred to you in order to succeed in business and appease the rule of law, then this is justice run amok. I agree, business is business, and money is money and rightly so; but as someone who admires the law, the law also isn't perfect. There are good laws, and not so well thought out ones. Though, until the law changes, people must obey it. To be succinct, however, obedience should not come at the price of your own morals and convictions.
Call me a homophobe, a bigot, ignorant, stupid, misguided or whatever you like, but that is my observation on this topic. I don't hate gay people, but I don't like the ones who would force other people to accept their lifestyle. I mean, if the act of forcing your religious beliefs on others is wrong, just imagine how they feel when the same is done to them! Behavior like such is only self serving and only widens the chasm between supporters and opposition. It breeds more hatred than understanding. If respect and acceptance is the goal, then one must strive to show it also. The double edged sword sitting next to me would agree.
No Icing on the Cake for Christian Business Owners Who Refused to Bake for Lesbian Couple
He means that all you have to do is declare your point of view 'sacred' and you magically (should) rise above the law.
If your sole purpose is to destroy a business instead of giving them business, then you are taking place in militant activism. You are purposefully targeting someone in order to expose and destroy them because of a difference in beliefs. You have crossed the line from holding a mere opinion to using that opinion to inflict damage on other individuals. I'm sorry, but I don't believe for one moment those two ladies had any intention of buying a cake. The law is clear, but the intent was not commercial. Those two women, in fact, were repeat customers there and knowing full well the beliefs of the proprietor(s). But suddenly out of the blue they ask them to bake a cake for a same sex wedding. To me, that is the definition of "ulterior motive."
Every business owner has their own beliefs, their own convictions, and suddenly they have to sacrifice them just to run a business in compliance with the law, and yes, sacrifices must be made. But here's the catch: that's wrong. There is something woefully wrong. Yes, the law is important, and rules are rules; don't misunderstand me here.
But if you have to sacrifice something sacred to you in order to succeed in business and appease the rule of law, then this is justice run amok. I agree, business is business, and money is money and rightly so; but as someone who admires the law, the law also isn't perfect. There are good laws, and not so well thought out ones. Though, until the law changes, people must obey it. To be succinct, however, obedience should not come at the price of your own morals and convictions.
Call me a homophobe, a bigot, ignorant, stupid, misguided or whatever you like, but that is my observation on this topic. I don't hate gay people, but I don't like the ones who would force other people to accept their lifestyle. I mean, if the act of forcing your religious beliefs on others is wrong, just imagine how they feel when the same is done to them! Behavior like such is only self serving and only widens the chasm between supporters and opposition. It breeds more hatred than understanding. If respect and acceptance is the goal, then one must strive to show it also. The double edged sword sitting next to me would agree.
No Icing on the Cake for Christian Business Owners Who Refused to Bake for Lesbian Couple
Good for you.....what would you do if they suddenly informed you that, because of your religion, or your job, or just the way you look, they will not serve you?If you are a repeat customer, who else would you go to for your wedding cake?
What an idiotic OP.
The Hall I booked for my wedding is providing the cake. We were considering our local baker, but the cake was included in the cost, so we went for the hall cake.
The power of the boycott is the only economic weapon the downtrodden have at their disposal. And it has historically proven to be very, very effective.
You want to be a discriminatory asshole? Go ahead, and let the invisible hand decide your fate.
No one is destroying your business but yourself. No windows get broken, just your bank account when people stop buying your stuff.
I have no issues with boycotts or people deciding not to do business with people they don't like. My concern is when government is used as the mechanism for this.
The bakers violated state non-discrimination laws.
Where next?
Can a restaurant refuse to cook a steak for a gay man or an omelette for a lesbian?
Sorry, but I don't take the side of the bakers, and others, in these cases
The power of the boycott is the only economic weapon the downtrodden have at their disposal. And it has historically proven to be very, very effective.
You want to be a discriminatory asshole? Go ahead, and let the invisible hand decide your fate.
No one is destroying your business but yourself. No windows get broken, just your bank account when people stop buying your stuff.
I have no issues with boycotts or people deciding not to do business with people they don't like. My concern is when government is used as the mechanism for this.
The bakers violated state non-discrimination laws.
Which are stupid, vindictive, and no longer needed in current society for something as trivial as a wedding cake. If you want to argue commerce vital to human life and economic interests, you may have a point.
But if you have to sacrifice something sacred to you in order to succeed in business and appease the rule of law, then this is justice run amokThe left are the new morality police, and they will use any government force available to either force you to accept their morals, or beat you into the ground so hard you are unable to resist their dogma.
In contrast to whom? Conservatives?
lol
Do you see conservatives recently trying to pass any of the crap you idiots try to enforce on a daily basis? Face it, you are the Moral Majority of the 21st century, the only difference is you don't have bibles in your hand and you use the government instead of pitchforks.
Yes. A constitutional amendment to ban all abortion. A constitutional amendment to outlaw same sex marriage.
A small tiny percentage want both of those. Most would accept the issues being settled by the States via legislative action. And at least they use the amendment process, which would require 2/3 of each house of the legislature, and 3/4 of the states to pass.
And both of those are in response to overreach by activist supreme courts, which created "rights" out of thin fucking air. Your side uses judges (un-elected ones usually) and hope you get ones that agree with your politics and have a fuzzy concept of constitutionality.
A tiny percentage of conservatives want them? Then how do they make their way into the GOP platform every time?
The power of the boycott is the only economic weapon the downtrodden have at their disposal. And it has historically proven to be very, very effective.
You want to be a discriminatory asshole? Go ahead, and let the invisible hand decide your fate.
No one is destroying your business but yourself. No windows get broken, just your bank account when people stop buying your stuff.
I have no issues with boycotts or people deciding not to do business with people they don't like. My concern is when government is used as the mechanism for this.
The bakers violated state non-discrimination laws.
Which are stupid, vindictive, and no longer needed in current society for something as trivial as a wedding cake. If you want to argue commerce vital to human life and economic interests, you may have a point.
You can support getting rid of all discrimination laws if you want but you will be forever beating a dead horse on that one.
Damn those PA laws that make any business have to serve Christians!The left are the new morality police, and they will use any government force available to either force you to accept their morals, or beat you into the ground so hard you are unable to resist their dogma.
Well, there you go.Good for you.....what would you do if they suddenly informed you that, because of your religion, or your job, or just the way you look, they will not serve you?If you are a repeat customer, who else would you go to for your wedding cake?
What an idiotic OP.
The Hall I booked for my wedding is providing the cake. We were considering our local baker, but the cake was included in the cost, so we went for the hall cake.
They would have stated it before I signed the contract, I would have found another place to go, and I would have castigated them on Yelp with a scathing review.
If they did it AFTER I signed the contract, and If I had not changed ANY condition from that point, they I would sue them myself for damages, not for having my feeewings hurt.
Well, there you go.Good for you.....what would you do if they suddenly informed you that, because of your religion, or your job, or just the way you look, they will not serve you?If you are a repeat customer, who else would you go to for your wedding cake?
What an idiotic OP.
The Hall I booked for my wedding is providing the cake. We were considering our local baker, but the cake was included in the cost, so we went for the hall cake.
They would have stated it before I signed the contract, I would have found another place to go, and I would have castigated them on Yelp with a scathing review.
If they did it AFTER I signed the contract, and If I had not changed ANY condition from that point, they I would sue them myself for damages, not for having my feeewings hurt.