NKorea sentences 2 US journalists to 12 years jail

[DiveCon]

International Red Cross where the fuck are you???

What exactly do you want the International Red Cross to do? Also enter NK illegally and have THEIR workers arrested and jailed?

uh, its what they do

 

[WillowTree]

International Red Cross where the fuck are you???

What exactly do you want the International Red Cross to do? Also enter NK illegally and have THEIR workers arrested and jailed?

phuck yew!

 

[RetiredGySgt]

International Red Cross where the fuck are you???

What exactly do you want the International Red Cross to do? Also enter NK illegally and have THEIR workers arrested and jailed?

Once again retard, the reporters never entered North Korea. They were on the Chinese side and doing a story about movements of women, I believe , into North Korea. The North Korean Border Guards crossed INTO China and seized them.

 

[MaggieMae]

International Red Cross where the fuck are you???

What exactly do you want the International Red Cross to do? Also enter NK illegally and have THEIR workers arrested and jailed?

uh, its what they do

No, it isn't. It is not the obligation nor responsibility of the Red Cross to attempt to exert any influence over the existing laws of any country. The two women were found guilty and sentenced according to North Korean laws. If they had been shackled and beaten beforehand, that might have falled within the purview of the ICRC's mandate.

The ICRC's mandate and mission
A permanent mandate founded in international law, a worldwide mission to help victims of conflicts and internal violence, whoever they are. The ICRC’s mandate in the Geneva Conventions and in the Statutes of the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement; articles on the mission, status and objectives of the ICRC.

ICRC action outside the context of non-international armed conflicts and internal disturbancesExtract from an article published in the International Review of the Red Cross, May-June 1993, No 294

Finally, outside the context of non-international armed conflicts and internal disturbances, the ICRC retains the option to take action, without having any obligation to do so, when it identifies a problem of humanitarian concern which it might help to solve by virtue of its special character. It may offer its services on the basis of Article 5, para. 3, of the Statutes of the Movement, which stipulates that "the International Committee may take any humanitarian initiative which comes within its role as a specifically neutral and independent institution and intermediary, and may consider any question requiring examination by such an institution". This right of initiative, founded on custom, does not depend on the type of situation prevailing in the country concerned, but on characteristics pertaining to the ICRC itself: independence, which guarantees that the ICRC will never see its policy dictated by pressure groups and will thus retain an objective view of the humanitarian problems to be solved, and neutrality, which signifies that the ICRC will not take part in any hostilities or controversies and will refrain from making any partisan judgements. [In this connection, see Yves Sandoz, "Le droit d'initiative du Comité international de la Croix-Rouge", German Yearbook of International Law, Duniker & Humblot, Berlin, 1979, Vol. 22, pp. 352-373.]

These features of the ICRC are particularly valuable in situations of political or social tension which have not yet degenerated into internal disturbances, but nevertheless cause suffering of the type described in the first section. For instance, the enforcement of order by repressive measures intended to prevent opponents from taking any action (internment of individuals without any grounds for charging them with an offence, invasive presence of police forces or the army, etc.) may prompt the ICRC to offer its services in order to ease tension.

As in the case of internal disturbances, the ICRC can refer to the universally acknowledged humanitarian principles and, where it considers it advisable, invoke the inalienable human rights, or even other human rights.

The ICRC's mandate and mission

 

[MaggieMae]

International Red Cross where the fuck are you???

What exactly do you want the International Red Cross to do? Also enter NK illegally and have THEIR workers arrested and jailed?

Once again retard, the reporters never entered North Korea. They were on the Chinese side and doing a story about movements of women, I believe , into North Korea. The North Korean Border Guards crossed INTO China and seized them.

I never said they did, asshole.

 

[DiveCon]

What exactly do you want the International Red Cross to do? Also enter NK illegally and have THEIR workers arrested and jailed?

uh, its what they do

No, it isn't. It is not the obligation nor responsibility of the Red Cross to attempt to exert any influence over the existing laws of any country. The two women were found guilty and sentenced according to North Korean laws. If they had been shackled and beaten beforehand, that might have falled within the purview of the ICRC's mandate.

The ICRC's mandate and mission
A permanent mandate founded in international law, a worldwide mission to help victims of conflicts and internal violence, whoever they are. The ICRC’s mandate in the Geneva Conventions and in the Statutes of the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement; articles on the mission, status and objectives of the ICRC.

ICRC action outside the context of non-international armed conflicts and internal disturbancesExtract from an article published in the International Review of the Red Cross, May-June 1993, No 294

Finally, outside the context of non-international armed conflicts and internal disturbances, the ICRC retains the option to take action, without having any obligation to do so, when it identifies a problem of humanitarian concern which it might help to solve by virtue of its special character. It may offer its services on the basis of Article 5, para. 3, of the Statutes of the Movement, which stipulates that "the International Committee may take any humanitarian initiative which comes within its role as a specifically neutral and independent institution and intermediary, and may consider any question requiring examination by such an institution". This right of initiative, founded on custom, does not depend on the type of situation prevailing in the country concerned, but on characteristics pertaining to the ICRC itself: independence, which guarantees that the ICRC will never see its policy dictated by pressure groups and will thus retain an objective view of the humanitarian problems to be solved, and neutrality, which signifies that the ICRC will not take part in any hostilities or controversies and will refrain from making any partisan judgements. [In this connection, see Yves Sandoz, "Le droit d'initiative du Comité international de la Croix-Rouge", German Yearbook of International Law, Duniker & Humblot, Berlin, 1979, Vol. 22, pp. 352-373.]

These features of the ICRC are particularly valuable in situations of political or social tension which have not yet degenerated into internal disturbances, but nevertheless cause suffering of the type described in the first section. For instance, the enforcement of order by repressive measures intended to prevent opponents from taking any action (internment of individuals without any grounds for charging them with an offence, invasive presence of police forces or the army, etc.) may prompt the ICRC to offer its services in order to ease tension.

As in the case of internal disturbances, the ICRC can refer to the universally acknowledged humanitarian principles and, where it considers it advisable, invoke the inalienable human rights, or even other human rights.

The ICRC's mandate and mission

missed the point again, eh maggie?

 

[MaggieMae]

uh, its what they do

No, it isn't. It is not the obligation nor responsibility of the Red Cross to attempt to exert any influence over the existing laws of any country. The two women were found guilty and sentenced according to North Korean laws. If they had been shackled and beaten beforehand, that might have falled within the purview of the ICRC's mandate.

The ICRC's mandate and mission
A permanent mandate founded in international law, a worldwide mission to help victims of conflicts and internal violence, whoever they are. The ICRC’s mandate in the Geneva Conventions and in the Statutes of the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement; articles on the mission, status and objectives of the ICRC.

ICRC action outside the context of non-international armed conflicts and internal disturbancesExtract from an article published in the International Review of the Red Cross, May-June 1993, No 294

Finally, outside the context of non-international armed conflicts and internal disturbances, the ICRC retains the option to take action, without having any obligation to do so, when it identifies a problem of humanitarian concern which it might help to solve by virtue of its special character. It may offer its services on the basis of Article 5, para. 3, of the Statutes of the Movement, which stipulates that "the International Committee may take any humanitarian initiative which comes within its role as a specifically neutral and independent institution and intermediary, and may consider any question requiring examination by such an institution". This right of initiative, founded on custom, does not depend on the type of situation prevailing in the country concerned, but on characteristics pertaining to the ICRC itself: independence, which guarantees that the ICRC will never see its policy dictated by pressure groups and will thus retain an objective view of the humanitarian problems to be solved, and neutrality, which signifies that the ICRC will not take part in any hostilities or controversies and will refrain from making any partisan judgements. [In this connection, see Yves Sandoz, "Le droit d'initiative du Comité international de la Croix-Rouge", German Yearbook of International Law, Duniker & Humblot, Berlin, 1979, Vol. 22, pp. 352-373.]

These features of the ICRC are particularly valuable in situations of political or social tension which have not yet degenerated into internal disturbances, but nevertheless cause suffering of the type described in the first section. For instance, the enforcement of order by repressive measures intended to prevent opponents from taking any action (internment of individuals without any grounds for charging them with an offence, invasive presence of police forces or the army, etc.) may prompt the ICRC to offer its services in order to ease tension.

As in the case of internal disturbances, the ICRC can refer to the universally acknowledged humanitarian principles and, where it considers it advisable, invoke the inalienable human rights, or even other human rights.

The ICRC's mandate and mission

missed the point again, eh maggie?

How did I miss the point? You think the ICRC should just 'go into' North Korea and what? At least check on the condition of the two women? Negotiate their release? What? The ICRC does not DO THAT in the absence of any reports that they are being inhumanely treated. What did I miss, genius? First off, how the hell would they even get into the country? Do you honestly think that would ever happen? Of course not. And the folks at the ICRC know it too. This is NORTH KOREA, the most closed-off country on earth. It ain't Gitmo.

 

[DiveCon]

No, it isn't. It is not the obligation nor responsibility of the Red Cross to attempt to exert any influence over the existing laws of any country. The two women were found guilty and sentenced according to North Korean laws. If they had been shackled and beaten beforehand, that might have falled within the purview of the ICRC's mandate.

The ICRC's mandate and mission
A permanent mandate founded in international law, a worldwide mission to help victims of conflicts and internal violence, whoever they are. The ICRC’s mandate in the Geneva Conventions and in the Statutes of the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement; articles on the mission, status and objectives of the ICRC.

ICRC action outside the context of non-international armed conflicts and internal disturbancesExtract from an article published in the International Review of the Red Cross, May-June 1993, No 294

Finally, outside the context of non-international armed conflicts and internal disturbances, the ICRC retains the option to take action, without having any obligation to do so, when it identifies a problem of humanitarian concern which it might help to solve by virtue of its special character. It may offer its services on the basis of Article 5, para. 3, of the Statutes of the Movement, which stipulates that "the International Committee may take any humanitarian initiative which comes within its role as a specifically neutral and independent institution and intermediary, and may consider any question requiring examination by such an institution". This right of initiative, founded on custom, does not depend on the type of situation prevailing in the country concerned, but on characteristics pertaining to the ICRC itself: independence, which guarantees that the ICRC will never see its policy dictated by pressure groups and will thus retain an objective view of the humanitarian problems to be solved, and neutrality, which signifies that the ICRC will not take part in any hostilities or controversies and will refrain from making any partisan judgements. [In this connection, see Yves Sandoz, "Le droit d'initiative du Comité international de la Croix-Rouge", German Yearbook of International Law, Duniker & Humblot, Berlin, 1979, Vol. 22, pp. 352-373.]

These features of the ICRC are particularly valuable in situations of political or social tension which have not yet degenerated into internal disturbances, but nevertheless cause suffering of the type described in the first section. For instance, the enforcement of order by repressive measures intended to prevent opponents from taking any action (internment of individuals without any grounds for charging them with an offence, invasive presence of police forces or the army, etc.) may prompt the ICRC to offer its services in order to ease tension.

As in the case of internal disturbances, the ICRC can refer to the universally acknowledged humanitarian principles and, where it considers it advisable, invoke the inalienable human rights, or even other human rights.

The ICRC's mandate and mission

missed the point again, eh maggie?

How did I miss the point? You think the ICRC should just 'go into' North Korea and what? At least check on the condition of the two women? Negotiate their release? What? The ICRC does not DO THAT in the absence of any reports that they are being inhumanely treated. What did I miss, genius? First off, how the hell would they even get into the country? Do you honestly think that would ever happen? Of course not. And the folks at the ICRC know it too. This is NORTH KOREA, the most closed-off country on earth. It ain't Gitmo.

didnt they "just go" into gitmo?

why yes, they did

 

[WillowTree]

They have had their asses planted at GITMO ever since the poor innocent little abused terrorists were placed there.. The honest truth is the IRC don't give a shit about Americans trapped in Korean prisons.. You notice they weren't visible at all when Hamas abducted the Israeli soldiers either..

 

[rhodescholar]

Frankly, I think all of the recent huffing and puffing by North Korea is intended to send Kim Jung Ill to his grave thinking "he won." Then sunnyboy will take over, and he may be the same as pop or even worse. Only time will tell. In the meantime, I don't think we should offer any more carrots, start following through on the old UN resolution to stop arms shipments by blockading the country, and allow NK to have the stage as being at the apex of the axis of evil. Some other country will eventually swallow it up as it shrivels from having any global importance at all other than territory (the exact opposite of what the fool Kim Jung wants).

The moment you blockade the country, NK may declare it an act of war and retaliate, such as sinking a S korean or Japanese shipping/fishing vessel.

How would you then respond?

 

[rhodescholar]

International Red Cross where the fuck are you???

stop expecting fair treatment of Americans
only the American government is held to that standard

And the far left wonders why it has ZERO credibility.

When is the last time AI, HRW, ICRC, UN, etc. pushed hard in the media, or any filth demonstrators like the dung we see protesting Israel or its WB fence, to see lebanese hostages held in Syrian jails (there are thousands), political prisoners in iranian jails, or Gilad Shalit in Gaza?

Yeah, strangely I cannot remember either.

 

[foggedinn]

International Red Cross where the fuck are you???

stop expecting fair treatment of Americans
only the American government is held to that standard

And the far left wonders why it has ZERO credibility.

When is the last time AI, HRW, ICRC, UN, etc. pushed hard in the media, or any filth demonstrators like the dung we see protesting Israel or its WB fence, to see lebanese hostages held in Syrian jails (there are thousands), political prisoners in iranian jails, or Gilad Shalit in Gaza?

Yeah, strangely I cannot remember either.

I wonder if discribing those who disagree with you "far left" is part of why the right gained so much power and influence during the last election cycle?

 

[rhodescholar]

I wonder if discribing those who disagree with you "far left" is part of why the right gained so much power and influence during the last election cycle?

Wait, let me re-read your post...did you answer my question/address my point....?

No you didn't, so try again, perhaps you missed it...

 

[Harry Dresden]

I wonder if discribing those who disagree with you "far left" is part of why the right gained so much power and influence during the last election cycle?

Fogg...i notice that when ANYONE in these threads disagrees with a good portion of the Left leaning crowd here ( Bobo,Huggy to name 2) .....THEY ARE CALLED neo-cons.....i have been called that so many times by these two and a few others that its laughable that you would even mention that...

 

[neurosport]

We don't spend ENOUGH.

i wanted to say this for a while

this is not going to sound very patriotic but

military people are fucking retards !

 

[Harry Dresden]

We don't spend ENOUGH.

i wanted to say this for a while

this is not going to sound very patriotic but

military people are fucking retards !

yea until they are called upon to save sorry asses like yourself.....i only see one retard here....

 

[Nik]

International Red Cross where the fuck are you???

The ICRC has no jurisdiction over a lawful arrest and capture of individuals within a single jurisdiction by that territories government.

Or do you think the ICRC is also snooping around whenever the US arrests a Mexican national as well?

 

[Nik]

International Red Cross where the fuck are you???

What exactly do you want the International Red Cross to do? Also enter NK illegally and have THEIR workers arrested and jailed?

Once again retard, the reporters never entered North Korea. They were on the Chinese side and doing a story about movements of women, I believe , into North Korea. The North Korean Border Guards crossed INTO China and seized them.

Thats speculation.

 

[Nik]

International Red Cross where the fuck are you???

stop expecting fair treatment of Americans
only the American government is held to that standard

And the far left wonders why it has ZERO credibility.

When is the last time AI, HRW, ICRC, UN, etc. pushed hard in the media, or any filth demonstrators like the dung we see protesting Israel or its WB fence, to see lebanese hostages held in Syrian jails (there are thousands), political prisoners in iranian jails, or Gilad Shalit in Gaza?

Yeah, strangely I cannot remember either.

Iran: Prisoners of conscience / Medical concern | Amnesty International

Iran Human Rights

Amnesty International, US State Department call for release of Baha'i prisoners in Iran | Bahai Faith | Baha'i Faith

Gee...I wonder why HR groups don't make major pushes in American media to change Iranian actions. Maybe, just maybe, its because American individuals have exactly 0 power over what Iran does and so your opinion on the matter means jack shit, and therefore they don't want to waste their resources influencing your thought on the matter?

Just because your ignorant ass doesn't hear about something doesn't mean there is no action on that front.

Oh, and ICRC doesn't make "media pushes". Thats not their mandate, dumbass. They generally avoid the media as much as possible except in extreme cases.

 

[WillowTree]

international red cross where the fuck are you???

the icrc has no jurisdiction over a lawful arrest and capture of individuals within a single jurisdiction by that territories government.

Or do you think the icrc is also snooping around whenever the us arrests a mexican national as well?

fail