New Proposed Laws Threaten Obama's 2012 Re-Election Prospects

[DiveCon]

You are an idiot.

It's a reference to the article that I consider one of WorldNutDaily's most absurd.

Soy is making kids 'gay'

Then WHY on EARTH didn't *YOU* post that to start with, Klop?

its pretty well known
i knew about it
i thought you would too
WND is kinda like the supermarket tabloids

 

[BluesMistress]

Seems that eligibility has been in question for a while.
some OLD NEWS ~~~
This is an excellent article explaining the process as to how Obama got on the ballot.

BORN IN THE USA?

Eye-popper: Is Nancy Pelosi in on eligibility cover-up?
Online images for certification of nomination raise questions

Read more: Eye-popper: Is Nancy Pelosi in on eligibility cover-up? Eye-popper: Is Nancy Pelosi in on eligibility cover-up?

WND, dismissed

they will post anything there

Yeah I know WND but that's about all we've got. It seems all of the journOlisters are too busy kissing OBAMA Ass to look into ANYTHING ~~~
There are Unanswered Questions plain and simple. There is no Arguement there.......
Are you questioning the eligibility process as described in the article?? Can you present me with some "Facts" as to the Eligilibilty process how Obama got put on the ballot?? With documentation????
Facts or reference otherwise Dismissed ~

 

[DiveCon]

Seems that eligibility has been in question for a while.
some OLD NEWS ~~~
This is an excellent article explaining the process as to how Obama got on the ballot.

BORN IN THE USA?

Eye-popper: Is Nancy Pelosi in on eligibility cover-up?
Online images for certification of nomination raise questions

Read more: Eye-popper: Is Nancy Pelosi in on eligibility cover-up? Eye-popper: Is Nancy Pelosi in on eligibility cover-up?

WND, dismissed

they will post anything there

Yeah I know WND but that's about all we've got. It seems all of the journOlisters are too busy kissing OBAMA Ass to look into ANYTHING ~~~
There are Unanswered Questions plain and simple. There is no Arguement there.......
Are you questioning the eligibility process as described in the article?? Can you present me with some "Facts" as to the Eligilibilty process how Obama got put on the ballot?? With documentation????
Facts or reference otherwise Dismissed ~

it goes to reliability
WND has none
and i wouldnt vote for Obama for dog catcher

 

[BluesMistress]

WND, dismissed

they will post anything there

Yeah I know WND but that's about all we've got. It seems all of the journOlisters are too busy kissing OBAMA Ass to look into ANYTHING ~~~
There are Unanswered Questions plain and simple. There is no Arguement there.......
Are you questioning the eligibility process as described in the article?? Can you present me with some "Facts" as to the Eligilibilty process how Obama got put on the ballot?? With documentation????
Facts or reference otherwise Dismissed ~

it goes to reliability
WND has none
and i wouldnt vote for Obama for dog catcher

Where are your facts & references ~ I didn't think so.............
DISMISSED!!

 

[DiveCon]

Yeah I know WND but that's about all we've got. It seems all of the journOlisters are too busy kissing OBAMA Ass to look into ANYTHING ~~~
There are Unanswered Questions plain and simple. There is no Arguement there.......
Are you questioning the eligibility process as described in the article?? Can you present me with some "Facts" as to the Eligilibilty process how Obama got put on the ballot?? With documentation????
Facts or reference otherwise Dismissed ~

it goes to reliability
WND has none
and i wouldnt vote for Obama for dog catcher

Where are your facts & references ~ I didn't think so.............
DISMISSED!!

ah, so you also believe eating soy will make you gay?

 

[The T]

it goes to reliability
WND has none
and i wouldnt vote for Obama for dog catcher

Where are your facts & references ~ I didn't think so.............
DISMISSED!!

ah, so you also believe eating soy will make you gay?

Damn! FOILED from deserved REP.

 

[WorldWatcher]

It says they have to honor the public acts of another States, the State of Hawaii (and many others) do not issue "long form" birth certificates to verify for citizenship purposes, location of birth. Many issues short form documents.

The "Act" is the certification of Obama being born in Hawaii.

Which the birth location on the Hawaii short form birth certificate does.

BTW - I don't consider a JPG file posted on the web as "certification" of birth location. Such certification would only occur when the documents issued by State A, certifying under authority of that State, are presented to an appropriate official of State B.

Issuing the document is not the "act."

In reference to "Pubic Acts" it means the state certification of an act occurring. A birth certificate is the State certifying that the a birth occurred at a certain time and location. Just as a properly executed Marriage License certifing that a marriage occurred and is legally recognized. See that's what the whole Federal DOMA issue was about in 1996. There was fear that Hawaii was about to recognize same Same-sex Civil Marriage as a reality. Because of that fear, Congress exercised it's Constitutional Authority under Article IV to define the "effects thereof" of public acts between States, in that case exempting States from being required to recognize legal Same-sex Civil Marriages from another State. It's interesting to note that that one specific type of Civil Marriage is the only one with such an exemption, all 50 States are still required to recognize properly executed Civil Marriage Licenses of other types no matter what their State law prescribes. (By "other types" I mean that may conflict with a State law such as age differences and differences in degree of family separation (1st Cousins, 2nd Cousings, etc...)

The Hawaiian document carries the legal weight of the State as to birth location and documentation of who the parents were.

The Full Faith and Credit doesn't say the States can only request documentation the issuing State feels like providing.

The requesting state has no authority to mandate what another state provides beyond the purpose of a specific document. A persons birth certificate exists to establish the date, location, and parents at birth. One State mandating that the birth certificate they issue contain a hospital, the citizenship of the parents, the Doctors name, and attending witnesses is beyond the scope of it's purpose.

If you think about it, I bet you could think of a lot of things States would very likely want more documentation of before accepting.

Sure, they can request more documentation, however they cannot mandate what information exists on a specified document.

They can mandate that a candidate provide a valid birth certificate documenting an individuals date, time, location of birth, and parents`. They can then add an additional requirement on the individual that they provide documentation of parental citizenship as of the date of birth of the individual in question. Perfectly reasonable.

However they cannot dictate to another state what information must be contained in a document that is not relevant to the purpose of the document.

Have you moved between States?

20-years in the Military, ya I've been in a few.

They don't just accept a drivers license as documentation. It's actually silly, you're just invested in this issue.

I've been in Alaska, Washington (State), Washington D.C., New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Connecticut, New Jersey, Virginia, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, California, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, Arizona, Nevada, Texas and Hawaii...

Not one state has refused to accept a valid Drivers License issued by another State as proof of identification and legal permission to operate a motor vehicle.

When I moved to North Carolina, I had to prove I wasn't someone who had a bad driving record and who's name was similar to mine even though the name on my drivers license wasn't the same as his.

A Drivers License isn't proof of driving record, it is proof of permission to drive. If a State requires Driving History, they are welcome to require that as separate documentation.

If the State wanted to check your driving history - they just required it and made it your responsibility to provide both documents (Drivers License and Driving History). North Carolina can not mandate that your Home state include on the Drivers License each vehicle operation infraction you may have had (making it a License AND history document). If they had it would have been requiring your home state, whenever someone was found guilty of an infraction, to reporting to DMV and DMV issuing a new license with the additional information. One State does not have the power to mandate that requirement on another State.


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[The T]

It's a reference to the article that I consider one of WorldNutDaily's most absurd.

Soy is making kids 'gay'

Then WHY on EARTH didn't *YOU* post that to start with, Klop?

its pretty well known
i knew about it
i thought you would too
WND is kinda like the supermarket tabloids

Dive? If Klop would only educate himself? He's a College BOY...

 

[Polk]

Then WHY on EARTH didn't *YOU* post that to start with, Klop?

its pretty well known
i knew about it
i thought you would too
WND is kinda like the supermarket tabloids

Dive? If Klop would only educate himself? He's a College BOY...

I wish I was still in my uni days. Those were great. And I'm far more educated than you'll ever dream of being.

You know what's the difference between you and Dive? He doesn't walk into debates with a presumption of his ideological opponents as evil incarnate and he's able to admit when he's wrong. That's the reason I disagree with pretty much everything he says, and we're still able to have good discussions.

 

[The T]

its pretty well known
i knew about it
i thought you would too
WND is kinda like the supermarket tabloids

Dive? If Klop would only educate himself? He's a College BOY...

I wish I was still in my uni days. Those were great. And I'm far more educated than you'll ever dream of being.

When you're READY to join real MEN that posess REAL WISDOM?

*LET US KNOW* College BOY.

 

[AmericanFirst]

If Hawaii says he was born there....you lose

Sucks being a birther

Problem is that the Governor of Hawaii also said he cannot produce a birth certificate. Still has not been proven where obamaturd was born. I believe he is lying, but that is nothing new for him to lie.

 

[Polk]

Dive? If Klop would only educate himself? He's a College BOY...

I wish I was still in my uni days. Those were great. And I'm far more educated than you'll ever dream of being.

When you're READY to join real MEN that posess REAL WISDOM?

*LET US KNOW* College BOY.

Tommy, that's not wisdom you're finding at the bottom of that whiskey bottle.

 

[AmericanFirst]

if Obama served knowing he was unqualified after all the damage he has dome to this country,

Man that is a good one, everyone who uses his brain new that Bush wasn't qualified and they elected him for a second term, and if you want to talk about DAMAGE TO THIS COUNTRY, all I can say is BRING IT ON.

At least Bush can prove his citizenship. Also, obamaturd has done alot more damage to this country with his socialist agenda.

 

[AmericanFirst]

This is a variation of the Jim Crow Laws - in this case, if you can't beat Obama at the ballot box, then try to have his name removed from the ballot!

If there were not illegal voting practices by the left obamaturd, franken, and other dimwits would never have been elected. Dimwits only win by deceit.

 

[The T]

I wish I was still in my uni days. Those were great. And I'm far more educated than you'll ever dream of being.

When you're READY to join real MEN that posess REAL WISDOM?

*LET US KNOW* College BOY.

Tommy, that's not wisdom you're finding at the bottom of that whiskey bottle.

At the bottom of WHAT?

 

[BluesMistress]

it goes to reliability
WND has none
and i wouldnt vote for Obama for dog catcher

Where are your facts & references ~ I didn't think so.............
DISMISSED!!

ah, so you also believe eating soy will make you gay?

Uutt Ooohhh............No Facts references or sources to prove my source incorrect.
Ocne again you have been DISMISSED!!!

 

[GStarz]

It says they have to honor the public acts of another States, the State of Hawaii (and many others) do not issue "long form" birth certificates to verify for citizenship purposes, location of birth. Many issues short form documents.

The "Act" is the certification of Obama being born in Hawaii.

Which the birth location on the Hawaii short form birth certificate does.

BTW - I don't consider a JPG file posted on the web as "certification" of birth location. Such certification would only occur when the documents issued by State A, certifying under authority of that State, are presented to an appropriate official of State B.




In reference to "Pubic Acts" it means the state certification of an act occurring. A birth certificate is the State certifying that the a birth occurred at a certain time and location. Just as a properly executed Marriage License certifing that a marriage occurred and is legally recognized. See that's what the whole Federal DOMA issue was about in 1996. There was fear that Hawaii was about to recognize same Same-sex Civil Marriage as a reality. Because of that fear, Congress exercised it's Constitutional Authority under Article IV to define the "effects thereof" of public acts between States, in that case exempting States from being required to recognize legal Same-sex Civil Marriages from another State. It's interesting to note that that one specific type of Civil Marriage is the only one with such an exemption, all 50 States are still required to recognize properly executed Civil Marriage Licenses of other types no matter what their State law prescribes. (By "other types" I mean that may conflict with a State law such as age differences and differences in degree of family separation (1st Cousins, 2nd Cousings, etc...)

The Hawaiian document carries the legal weight of the State as to birth location and documentation of who the parents were.



The requesting state has no authority to mandate what another state provides beyond the purpose of a specific document. A persons birth certificate exists to establish the date, location, and parents at birth. One State mandating that the birth certificate they issue contain a hospital, the citizenship of the parents, the Doctors name, and attending witnesses is beyond the scope of it's purpose.



Sure, they can request more documentation, however they cannot mandate what information exists on a specified document.

They can mandate that a candidate provide a valid birth certificate documenting an individuals date, time, location of birth, and parents`. They can then add an additional requirement on the individual that they provide documentation of parental citizenship as of the date of birth of the individual in question. Perfectly reasonable.

However they cannot dictate to another state what information must be contained in a document that is not relevant to the purpose of the document.



20-years in the Military, ya I've been in a few.

They don't just accept a drivers license as documentation. It's actually silly, you're just invested in this issue.

I've been in Alaska, Washington (State), Washington D.C., New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine, Connecticut, New Jersey, Virginia, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Florida, California, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, Arizona, Nevada, Texas and Hawaii...

Not one state has refused to accept a valid Drivers License issued by another State as proof of identification and legal permission to operate a motor vehicle.

When I moved to North Carolina, I had to prove I wasn't someone who had a bad driving record and who's name was similar to mine even though the name on my drivers license wasn't the same as his.

A Drivers License isn't proof of driving record, it is proof of permission to drive. If a State requires Driving History, they are welcome to require that as separate documentation.

If the State wanted to check your driving history - they just required it and made it your responsibility to provide both documents (Drivers License and Driving History). North Carolina can not mandate that your Home state include on the Drivers License each vehicle operation infraction you may have had (making it a License AND history document). If they had it would have been requiring your home state, whenever someone was found guilty of an infraction, to reporting to DMV and DMV issuing a new license with the additional information. One State does not have the power to mandate that requirement on another State.


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One state can absolutely legally mandate a particular record from another state for any legal purpose provided that it has been ascertained that the record exists. It's essentially another form of subpoena power, and Hawaiian health department officials have stated categorically that they have seen Obama's long form birth certificate, therefore it exists, therefore any state can legally demand it as part of the federalist right of that state.

From the far-left factcheck

"Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu. . . . The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

HERE is the complete, insanely leftist-biased article.

So the long form exists. Therefore states have a right to demand it as part of that state's presidential election process.

Done.

"So what's the problem here? Release the original and let's be done with this madness."
"The only thing weirder than the Birthers are the anti-Birthers, who blame the Birthers for being conspiracy theorists yet actively feed the conspiracy by refusing to call for President Obama to release his birth certificate. "
- the VERY liberal HUFFINGTON POST, July 30, 2009

 

[gekaap]

Geez, more birther nonsense? Obama has already presented his birth certificate to the public, all three branches of the federal government have already verified his credentials to hold office. What more do people want? A hand written letter from God?

 

[rightwinger]

Do you really think for a minute that Obama will stand idly by and allow a state to keep him off the ballot?

Obama is Commander in Chief of our armed forces. Lets say if Arizona were to try to keep him off the ballot. Obama could use the Army to round up all Arizonans on the pretext that they might be illegal. He could then demand to see the long form birth certificate of everyone in Arizona. Anyone who could not produce it would be sent to Mexico

 

[USArmyRetired]

Geez, more birther nonsense? Obama has already presented his birth certificate to the public, all three branches of the federal government have already verified his credentials to hold office. What more do people want? A hand written letter from God?

No Obama hasn't presented his Birth Certificate to the public. What is your evidence he specifically did this and who exactly did he release it too specifically?