New Democratic Health Proposal by Hawaii Senator

[OnePercenter]

At least with this idea I won't have to relay on my loser employer to provide unsubsidized coverage to me because they're required to under Obamacare; thus, I can't get help through the exchange despite making $30,000 a year.

What we need is single payer to combat the mafia that health insurance and providers have become.

 

[OnePercenter]

At least with this idea I won't have to relay on my loser employer to provide unsubsidized coverage to me because they're required to under Obamacare; thus, I can't get help through the exchange despite making $30,000 a year.

Why is your employer not subsidized?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Why would you need government funds ?

The state should fund the entire thing.

States can't afford to be the only one providing those services, as it is larger than their entire budget. See: NY and Cal.

Do you realize how stupid that is.

If 50 states sign up....50 states can afford it.

Who funds the fed.....the 50 states.

unbelievable.

By law the states can't operate at a loss like the federal government does.

The program will likely start as an operational loss by the federal government until the costs stabilize, and then we'll see improvement.

I've heard that pipe dream before.

20 Trillion and growing.

Would've kept growing with the current law, but probably more than if we were to implement this proposal. Obamacare does nothing to control insurance costs or the national debt... Just the opposite actually. This new proposal will slowly reduce costs if people are opting into it and hospitals are receiving more funds instead of just 70% of their charges paid by Medicaid and Medicare.

This does not address the earlier point, but I agree with you statements on a stand alone basis.

We can't sustain 9,000 per person per year on average of medical costs.

 

[Old Rocks]

Does it get rid of the mandates?

I don't see why the mandates would further exist if the government says you're free to opt-in or opt-out of the plans stated in the law. I think the Democrats could use that a strong point to gain Republican support, along with not having an employer requirement.

How about the employer mandate?

The cadillac tax?

Mandated coverages?

Pre-existing conditions?

Coverage for deadbeat adult children?

Now lay off the deadbeat adult children. Are you trying to deprive 3/4 of the 'Conservatives' on this board of their healthcare. LOL

 

[Slashsnake]

At least with this idea I won't have to relay on my loser employer to provide unsubsidized coverage to me because they're required to under Obamacare; thus, I can't get help through the exchange despite making $30,000 a year.

Why is your employer not subsidized?

Because they don't like to provide for their employees. I'm lucky to even make $14/hour through them.

 

[Silhouette]

Democrats’ New Health-Care Plan: Medicaid for All (Who Want It)

We can let people opt/buy-in to medicaid by way of letting the states expand their healthcare funding from the federal government. At the same time, hospitals will receive an increased percentage of payouts from the government run service compared to what they're currently giving Those who get Obamacare subsidies can use them to buy into this program.

People who don't want to opt into the plan are free to not do so.

This plan will allow for some states to finally implement their wanted universal healthcare system since they'll have federal government money backing the increase in state taxes.

And when does the hospital price-jacking come under regulation? When weeding a garden it's best to get the weeds out by the roots if possible.

 

[Slashsnake]

Democrats’ New Health-Care Plan: Medicaid for All (Who Want It)

We can let people opt/buy-in to medicaid by way of letting the states expand their healthcare funding from the federal government. At the same time, hospitals will receive an increased percentage of payouts from the government run service compared to what they're currently giving Those who get Obamacare subsidies can use them to buy into this program.

People who don't want to opt into the plan are free to not do so.

This plan will allow for some states to finally implement their wanted universal healthcare system since they'll have federal government money backing the increase in state taxes.

And when does the hospital price-jacking come under regulation? When weeding a garden it's best to get the weeds out by the roots if possible.

Could put it in the legislation as an amendment.

Not experienced with insurance negotiations with medical facilities, but if the hospitals provided an expense report to Congress, I'm sure the government would know how much money is needed to fund these facilities without them breaking the bank. The expense report would obviously have to be audited by the FDA and Congress.

One would have to look at how much is costs to maintain the equipment, how frequently the equipment needs to be replaced, and how much payroll, utilities, and the hospital cafeteria costs. In fact they can run all of these reports at every major healthcare facility, and then take the average of them and set that as the "hard standard" of what will be paid out... So if some hospitals want more, that sucks for them.

I'd also like to see an amendment that allows people to purchase certain drugs overseas where it'll bring a bit more competition into the equation. For example, I should be able to get 40mg Neximum from Canada if it's not reasonably priced here in the states. 20mg is sold over the counter at a good price, but 40mg is pretty expensive to the point where the insurance I used to have (pretty good insurance) didn't even cover it.

 

[dblack]

Why can't you people read the fucking article instead of asking me questions like I'm the one drafting the legislation. Lazy fucks.

I read the article. I was actually making a point about your specious conception of opting in. Unless you can opt out of being taxed for Medicaid, you're all in, regardless of whether you choose apply for benefits or not.

You're all in for a lot of things, whether you want it or not. At least this could be beneficial to the people.

Ok. But the OP is trying to pretend that one could opt-in or opt-out. It doesn't work that easy.

 

[Conservative65]

Democrats’ New Health-Care Plan: Medicaid for All (Who Want It)

We can let people opt/buy-in to medicaid by way of letting the states expand their healthcare funding from the federal government. At the same time, hospitals will receive an increased percentage of payouts from the government run service compared to what they're currently giving Those who get Obamacare subsidies can use them to buy into this program.

People who don't want to opt into the plan are free to not do so.

This plan will allow for some states to finally implement their wanted universal healthcare system since they'll have federal government money backing the increase in state taxes.

Just another typical lefty automatically looking to the government to do things for people who won't do for themselves.

 

[Conservative65]

Does it get rid of the mandates?

I don't see why the mandates would further exist if the government says you're free to opt-in or opt-out of the plans stated in the law. I think the Democrats could use that a strong point to gain Republican support, along with not having an employer requirement.

How about the fucking pieces of shit that constantly rely on the government to do for them what they should be doing themselves take some responsibility once in their miserable lives.

 

[Slashsnake]

Democrats’ New Health-Care Plan: Medicaid for All (Who Want It)

We can let people opt/buy-in to medicaid by way of letting the states expand their healthcare funding from the federal government. At the same time, hospitals will receive an increased percentage of payouts from the government run service compared to what they're currently giving Those who get Obamacare subsidies can use them to buy into this program.

People who don't want to opt into the plan are free to not do so.

This plan will allow for some states to finally implement their wanted universal healthcare system since they'll have federal government money backing the increase in state taxes.

Just another typical lefty automatically looking to the government to do things for people who won't do for themselves.

People like you are some of the biggest dumb fucks on this site.

I'm not a "lefty." I'm slightly to the right. I guess it's too much for you to understand that not everyone has a view that's always on the right or left side of the bar.

 

[Conservative65]

Democrats’ New Health-Care Plan: Medicaid for All (Who Want It)

We can let people opt/buy-in to medicaid by way of letting the states expand their healthcare funding from the federal government. At the same time, hospitals will receive an increased percentage of payouts from the government run service compared to what they're currently giving Those who get Obamacare subsidies can use them to buy into this program.

People who don't want to opt into the plan are free to not do so.

This plan will allow for some states to finally implement their wanted universal healthcare system since they'll have federal government money backing the increase in state taxes.

Just another typical lefty automatically looking to the government to do things for people who won't do for themselves.

People like you are some of the biggest dumb fucks on this site.

I'm not a "lefty." I'm slightly to the right. I guess it's too much for you to understand that not everyone has a view that's always on the right or left side of the bar.

There we have the problem. Supporting things the left supports then not being willing to admit you're on the left.

Pick a side. A fence rider is no good to either one. You can't be counted on when needed because no one knows where you're going to stand. John McCain is a perfect example.

 

[dblack]

Democrats’ New Health-Care Plan: Medicaid for All (Who Want It)

We can let people opt/buy-in to medicaid by way of letting the states expand their healthcare funding from the federal government. At the same time, hospitals will receive an increased percentage of payouts from the government run service compared to what they're currently giving Those who get Obamacare subsidies can use them to buy into this program.

People who don't want to opt into the plan are free to not do so.

This plan will allow for some states to finally implement their wanted universal healthcare system since they'll have federal government money backing the increase in state taxes.

Just another typical lefty automatically looking to the government to do things for people who won't do for themselves.

People like you are some of the biggest dumb fucks on this site.

I'm not a "lefty." I'm slightly to the right. I guess it's too much for you to understand that not everyone has a view that's always on the right or left side of the bar.

There we have the problem. Supporting things the left supports then not being willing to admit you're on the left.

Pick a side. A fence rider is no good to either one. You can't be counted on when needed because no one knows where you're going to stand. John McCain is a perfect example.

Both sides are full of shit. That's not riding a fence. That's the way it is.

 

[Conservative65]

Democrats’ New Health-Care Plan: Medicaid for All (Who Want It)

We can let people opt/buy-in to medicaid by way of letting the states expand their healthcare funding from the federal government. At the same time, hospitals will receive an increased percentage of payouts from the government run service compared to what they're currently giving Those who get Obamacare subsidies can use them to buy into this program.

People who don't want to opt into the plan are free to not do so.

This plan will allow for some states to finally implement their wanted universal healthcare system since they'll have federal government money backing the increase in state taxes.

Just another typical lefty automatically looking to the government to do things for people who won't do for themselves.

People like you are some of the biggest dumb fucks on this site.

I'm not a "lefty." I'm slightly to the right. I guess it's too much for you to understand that not everyone has a view that's always on the right or left side of the bar.

There we have the problem. Supporting things the left supports then not being willing to admit you're on the left.

Pick a side. A fence rider is no good to either one. You can't be counted on when needed because no one knows where you're going to stand. John McCain is a perfect example.

Both sides are full of shit. That's not riding a fence. That's the way it is.

If you go one way one time and the other way the next, that's riding a fence, so to speak.

Since I have yet to see any redeeming qualities in the left's agenda, I've picked my side.