Netanyahu sets implementation of Trump’s Gaza relocation plan as new condition for ending war

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During his first press conference in five months, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday named the implementation of US President Donald Trump’s “revolutionary” plan to relocate Gaza’s civilians as a condition for ending the conflict, the first time he has made such a demand. He called Trump’s plan “brilliant,” and said it had the potential to change the face of the Middle East.

The fledgling Operation Gideon’s Chariots — the IDF’s expanded ground operation in Gaza that began over the weekend— is meant to “complete the war, the work” in the enclave, the premier told reporters and live TV cameras at the Prime Minister’s Office in Jerusalem.

Israel has a “very organized” plan to achieve its war aims in Gaza, he insisted, saying its aims are “To defeat Hamas, which carried out the atrocities of October 7; to bring back all of our hostages; and to ensure that Gaza does not present a threat to Israel.”

“Our forces are landing powerful blows that will get stronger against Hamas strongholds that still exist in Gaza,” he explained, promising that by the end of the operation, “all the territory of Gaza will be under Israeli security control, and Hamas will be totally defeated.”

While “ready to end the war,” Netanyahu said he would only agree to do so “under clear conditions that will ensure the safety of Israel: All the hostages come home, Hamas lays down its arms, steps down from power, its leadership is exiled from the Strip… Gaza is totally disarmed; and we carry out the Trump plan. A plan that is so correct and so revolutionary.”

The US and Israel share a determination to ensure that Iran cannot get the bomb and that Hamas is booted out of Gaza, he said. And “we want to ensure that Trump’s plan” for Gaza comes to fruition, he added. “It’s a brilliant plan,” he said, “that truly can bring change not only here… but can change the face of the Middle East. Change once and for all what we have been through from Gaza for decades.”

He also said that if there is a possibility for a “temporary ceasefire” that will return more hostages, he would agree to that, but repeated that this would only be temporary.


There is nothing more useless or more dangerous than a European diplomat, as they proved in the last century leading the world into two catastrophic war killing tens of millions of people, and now the governments of Britain, France and Canada have, along with the Arab states, thrown their support behind the continuation of the cycle of violence that has plagued the region for over hundred years, and the EU is considering joining them, and only the US government, the Trump administration, has come forward with a plan to at once end the suffering of the noncombatants in Gaza, and bring lasting peace to the region.
 
Off hand I think its a bad idea

The Pals are having too much fun killing and being killed in Gaza to go someplace less exciting

Plus no one wants to take them so there is nowhere for them to go
It is not clear that states will refuse them visas if they apply as individuals. Trump's plan is to assist those who want to leave and recent studies have shown half or more of the Gazans would leave now if they had somewhere to go. The Arab nations and some others have said the would not support forced transfers of population but they have not said they would reject individual applications for visas, which is what the US and Israel are trying to organize.
 
the governments of Britain, France and Canada have, along with the Arab states, thrown their support behind the continuation of the cycle of violence that has plagued the region for over hundred years, and the EU is considering joining them ...
Noting that the full text of the statement does call for Hamas to be removed from control.

Unbelievably silly to think that this could be done without Israel conducting military operations.
 
Noting that the full text of the statement does call for Hamas to be removed from control.

Unbelievably silly to think that this could be done without Israel conducting military operations.
There are no signs of intelligent life in the governments of Britain, France or Canada. The message says, in effect, war is horrific so we must punish some Jews and support whatever the Arabs want.
 
There are no signs of intelligent life in the governments of Britain, France or Canada. The message says, in effect, war is horrific so we must punish some Jews and support whatever the Arabs want.
Agreed. Appease the Arabs. Punish the Jews. Same as it has been for a hundred years and for thousands of years.
 
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday named the implementation of US President Donald Trump’s “revolutionary” plan to relocate Gaza’s civilians as a condition for ending the conflict,

There are still civilians left?
What kind of cheap ass genocide is that?
 
Agreed. Appease the Arabs. Punish the Jews. Same as it has been for a hundred years and for thousands of years.
It isn’t about appeasing anyone or punishing anyone, particularly world wide ethnic groups like Arabs and Jews.

Israel’s current government needs a “forever war” and golly jee they are doing their best.

Influential members of Israel’s government have openly stated what the new goal is: the complete destruction (we will flatten) of Gaza so there is nothing left for them to return to and the permanent expulsion of the Palestinian people from Gaza. Trump’s Gaza “relocation plan” is now the NEW condition for ending the war, the new goal instead of “total victory”, Netanyahu finally openly stated it. Israel is now also openly and unapologetically using starvation as a weapon of war. Have you listened to what some of his coalition has called for? Even Israel’s citizen’s are angry at the conduct of the war, the constantly changing goals, reservists worn out and disgusted and the hostages still in captivity.

It is these things thar Britain,France and Canada have become disgusted by, not “punishing the Jews”.
 
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It is these things thar Britain,France and Canada have become disgusted by, not “punishing the Jews”.
I don't know that any of "these things" are actually included in the full text of the joint statement. The statement seems, to me, to be a tired reiteration of "give the terrorists a State" (appease the Arabs); insist on Israeli surrender (punish the Jews, appease the Arabs); and terrorism fine (appease the Arabs) and just defensive war (horrific as it is) bad (punish the Jews).
 
Influential members of Israel’s government have openly stated what the new goal is: the complete destruction (we will flatten) of Gaza so there is nothing left for them to return to and the permanent expulsion of the Palestinian people from Gaza.
Yada yada, we all know what Smotrich is spewing. His is not the only voice. Demonstrably true.
Trump’s Gaza “relocation plan” is now the NEW condition for ending the war, the new goal instead of “total victory”, Netanyahu finally openly stated it.
Do you fundamentally disagree with the concept that all those wishing to flee a war zone, as refugees and/or eventually as emigrants should be prevented from doing so? Do you fundamentally disagree that those states who have signed the refugee convention are violating that agreement by preventing people from escaping war-torn territory? The conditions of ending the war have not changed. Release the hostages. Remove Hamas from power. Demilitarize Gaza.
Israel is now also openly and unapologetically using starvation as a weapon of war.
Absolute nonsense. THERE IS NO STARVATION IN GAZA. How many times do I have to say it? How many times do I have to demand that someone prove it, if it exists?!

Israel has been extremely clear. According to both its own independent intelligence and according to the (insanely biased and lying) NGOs operating in Gaza, and according the global organization whose job it is to measure such things, there is sufficient quantity of food that starvation is not immanent. Period. End of.

Israel has been explicit that it will NOT allow the civilian population of Gaza to starve and has developed a comprehensive plan to ensure that Hamas is unable to exploit the civilian population with respect to aid and to ensure that the aid is delivered directly to families in need.

Israel is putting that plan in place. Today. Right now. Before there is any starvation in Gaza. I am so very tired of this ridiculous starvation blood libel.
 
I don't know that any of "these things" are actually included in the full text of the joint statement. The statement seems, to me, to be a tired reiteration of "give the terrorists a State" (appease the Arabs);
This is not appeasement, it is one of multiple possible outcomes that could create a sustainable and just peace. By referring to as appeasement you’re adding inflammatory language and framing it as either Hamas or Israel rather than Israel and Palestinian people.

A permanent ceasefire and the release of all hostages is the first step towards this. Israel has gone as far as it can militarily (acknowledged by its own experts) and this is now political.


(SHUSHA quote) insist on Israeli surrender (punish the Jews, appease the Arabs); and terrorism fine (appease the Arabs) and just defensive war (horrific as it is) bad (punish the Jews).(End Quote).


No one I saying terrorism is fine. You are creating a false dichotomy with this.

What they ARE SAYING, INCLUDING MANY IN ISRAEL is this is no longer a just and defensive war. Even statements from those in leadership indicate that (under a veneer of technical legal correctness).

Israel has crossed a line now.
 
It isn’t about appeasing anyone or punishing anyone, particularly world wide ethnic groups like Arabs and Jews.

Israel’s current government needs a “forever war” and golly jee they are doing their best.

Influential members of Israel’s government have openly stated what the new goal is: the complete destruction (we will flatten) of Gaza so there is nothing left for them to return to and the permanent expulsion of the Palestinian people from Gaza. Trump’s Gaza “relocation plan” is now the NEW condition for ending the war, the new goal instead of “total victory”, Netanyahu finally openly stated it. Israel is now also openly and unapologetically using starvation as a weapon of war. Have you listened to what some of his coalition has called for? Even Israel’s citizen’s are angry at the conduct of the war, the constantly changing goals, reservists worn out and disgusted and the hostages still in captivity.

It is these things thar Britain,France and Canada have become disgusted by, not “punishing the Jews”.
Without total victory, this scenario will continue to happen. That would be a forever war.
 
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Well gee…some 3.5 million European Jews remained after the Holocaust. Was that a “cheap ass” genocide?
He’s slow. You have to have patience.
 
No they haven't. You win wars by demanding unconditional surrender. Until you get that you continue the war.
Except it’s not a war. It’s genocide and ethnic cleaning. Obviously.

Do you hate Palestinians? Do you think they are all terrorists? Do you think Israel is the only democracy in the ME? If Israel laid down their arms, the Arabs would slaughter them? Does Israel only want peace? Do you think Palestinians have contributed nothing to humanity?
 
Yada yada, we all know what Smotrich is spewing. His is not the only voice. Demonstrably true.
He is not the only one spewing this and he and others have influenced the direction and duration of the war.


Do you fundamentally disagree with the concept that all those wishing to flee a war zone, as refugees and/or eventually as emigrants should be prevented from doing so?

That is not argument and you are creating a strawman argument here.

This isn’t about those wishing wishing to flee, this is about a cynical plan to force the permanent expulsion of an entire population in the cynical guise of proposing it as a “humanitarian solution” to make it internationally acceptable. I’m not just saying that, it was presented as an idea that at one time would have been marginalized as fringe but is now playing out.

To echo your wording:
Do agree with a policy to deliberately make an area unlivable by destruction and starvation in order to force the population to leave? Important term here that keeps coming up: PERMANENTLY.

Do you fundamentally disagree that those states who have signed the refugee convention are violating that agreement by preventing people from escaping war-torn territory?

See my statement above.

The conditions of ending the war have not changed. Release the hostages. Remove Hamas from power. Demilitarize Gaza.

Yes, they have. The condition for ending the war, stated by the PM is the “Trump solution”.

It is also worth noting that we had multiple opportunities to achieve the original aims: a multi. Stage cease fire that Israel ultimately broke; the framework of a peace plan proposed by Egypt that did not include Hamas remaining or retaining power.

The condition now appears to be the destruction of the Palestinians as a people and the liquidation of the Palestinian cause.

Absolute nonsense. THERE IS NO STARVATION IN GAZA. How many times do I have to say it? How many times do I have to demand that someone prove it, if it exists?!
Balony.

That is not what is reported by the people themselves or the aid workers who remain there.

Kind of hard to “prove it” as you say, when Israel bars foreign journalists from entering.


Israel has been extremely clear. According to both its own independent intelligence and according to the (insanely biased and lying) NGOs operating in Gaza, and according the global organization whose job it is to measure such things, there is sufficient quantity of food that starvation is not immanent. Period. End of.

You don’t Israel itself is “insanely biased”? It set up a complete and total seige (in its own words) for how months now? The destruction of the infrastructure needed for aid without first setting up alternative infrastructure and restriction of aid to a handful of locations within Gaza for over 2 MILLION people is criminal! 150 aid trucks is nothing in the face of this! Yet somehow everyone else is “insanely biased” and Israel is not.


Israel has been explicit that it will NOT allow the civilian population of Gaza to starve and has developed a comprehensive plan to ensure that Hamas is unable to exploit the civilian population with respect to aid and to ensure that the aid is delivered directly to families in need.

Israel says a lot of things.

Israel is putting that plan in place. Today. Right now. Before there is any starvation in Gaza. I am so very tired of this ridiculous starvation blood libel.
This “blood libel” that seems to now be the way of shutting up criticism! We can Russia, we can criticize actions in the Balkans, but we can’t Israel!

Just from a practical point of view:
Pretty much all experienced independent aid organizations have left and shut down, with them their experience, connections and knowledge.
Now Israel is going to step in and aid for millions of people, with none of that expertise or infrastructure to draw on.


2.1 million people.
 
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